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Offlinetnecseda
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I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi
    #2878040 - 07/11/04 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Is anyone else going to do this?I want my child to reach the further depths of his his/her mind.I want them to explore the world that is their mind.I will educate all precautions,chemicals,effects,and teach them about free will and not to abuse the plants and fungi .I won't ever force(i don't know why i ever would) but also,i'm first going to see how far they get with their mind without plants and fungi,then introduce phsycadelics in their teens.Of course they'd already be smoking pot.But all of this won't happen if thiers revoluiton,evolution,2012 and all that good stuff.Plants and Fungi are good,DRUGS ARE BAD!


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2878073 - 07/11/04 02:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds good, just be smart about it.


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: psikooz]
    #2878577 - 07/11/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Sounds good, just be smart about it."

I assume that's why you'd be doing it yourself, rather than letting some other kid who doesn't necessarily know his stuff that well introduce your child. I almost think it's too much to ask for to have a kid who's cool enough to do hallucenogens with their parent, though...


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2879711 - 07/11/04 11:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

hahahhaha


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2879722 - 07/11/04 11:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i wouldn't be doing it with them,i'd teach them about it,then i'd say

"heres some mushrooms,knock yourself out.Go learn."


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2881968 - 07/12/04 01:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have never seen good things come from introducing this to relatives without a clear indication that it is necessary and natural.
blood is thicker than water (conceptually) and relationships can be tricked by entheogens (I include alcohol in this).
Society can make sharing easier, but you might need to be in an extended family that harvests peyote - which is not a big group of people.


Edited by redgreenvines (07/12/04 01:57 PM)


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2881986 - 07/12/04 02:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

How old are they? There are reports of children that have died from taking psychedelic mushrooms. (As I'm sure you are aware) Or do you even have the child yet? IMHO I would never introduce my child to mushrooms, I would let them discover it on their own. And when I saw this I would explain to them the benefits/draw backs and necessity of research first!


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: ld50negative1]
    #2882192 - 07/12/04 02:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

haha noo i don't have kids.its not like here take some drugs.I'm just saying i'm going to teach them about it a support it for proper use.thats all .i remember takeing mushrooms when i was younger than 7.of course i had no clue what they were.i just thought mushrooms looked cool and i ate them.i don't have a strong recollection though.


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2882285 - 07/12/04 03:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, okay. Yeah, that seems like the sensible way of doing things. It's not like they learn anything useful or remotely truthful at school, so I guess the responsibility would fall on the parent. It should probably be addressed by parents rather than school anyways.

What I learned about drugs at school:
"If you do acid you'll feel like your body is being slowly consumed by a huge group of evil worms!" Also, "If you smoke pot, everywhere you look you will see menacing tarantulas!" Big help in making important life decesions, let me tell you!


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2882601 - 07/12/04 04:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

tnecseda said:
i remember takeing mushrooms when i was younger than 7.of course i had no clue what they were.i just thought mushrooms looked cool and i ate them.i don't have a strong recollection though.




And they were psychadelic mushrooms? I take it you found them in a yard somewhere and ate them?

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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2882657 - 07/12/04 04:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Plants and Fungi are good,DRUGS ARE BAD!

Datura and Destroying Angel are good and aspirin is bad - well OK, you are the expert.  :rolleyes:


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: Panoramix]
    #2882665 - 07/12/04 04:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I taught my kids how to "cook" and shoot H. Might as well learn the proper sterile way from one they trust.


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: Swami]
    #2882798 - 07/12/04 05:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I also took shrooms when i was like 12, i had no idea what they were i just found them in a little wooden box in my brothers room and smoked a joint made of it. That didnt do anything so as an afterthought i threw a big pinch in my mouth. Again, nothing happend, so i went home and went to bed.

Than i woke up. i could see my thoughts floating like bubbles, and my cat had a face on both sides of its head, and my reflection in the window wasnt me, and my hands were bleeding and i wanted to go wake up my mom and hug her but thankfully i didnt.

Anyways that was fucking crazy cuz i didnt know what they were and even when i started tripping i never put it together that it was because of the stuff i had eaten before bed.

But then my bro was like 'hey man, did you eat my shrooms?" and i was like 'yeah i guess so' and he was like "wow... anytime you want to like smoke a joint or something just let me know, but dont just eat my shit"

anyways wierd stuff

swami "so datura is good and aspirin is bad?" nah datura is terrible and aspirin is great, but i think we all knew what he was trying to say.

Its a general rule anyways, and almost all rules have some exceptions. But ill clarify for you:

Good plants and Fungi: mushrooms, salvia, ibogaine root, weed, peyote, ayahuasca, DMT (provided they are treated with respect and care)

Bad Plants and Fungi: Datura, belladonna, wormwood (usually)

Bad Drugs: Cocaine, PCP, heroin and opiates, barbituates, amphetamines, alcohol, caffeine


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2884056 - 07/12/04 11:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

...but i think we all knew what he was trying to say.
Amazing that you can speak for both the sender and the recipients of the message. Apparently there is not even a need to attempt to communicate then.

Good plants and Fungi: mushrooms, salvia, ibogaine root, weed, peyote, ayahuasca, DMT (provided they are treated with respect and care)

Bad Plants and Fungi: Datura, belladonna, wormwood (usually)

Bad Drugs: Cocaine, PCP, heroin and opiates, barbituates, amphetamines, alcohol, caffeine

All of those substances listed may be used for harm or to heal. Please explain what criterion you used to determine the goodness and badness so that we may all draw the line at the exact same place.


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: Swami]
    #2885110 - 07/13/04 08:39 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Damn we are all some blissfully ignorant and arrogant bastards. Monkeys with guns we are...and we are all sure we know what were doing. *BANG!!!* FUCK....um...anyone see that?....

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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2885519 - 07/13/04 12:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

your best bet is to teach 'em to read for themselves, for pleasure...
then they will be able to assist in teaching themselves...
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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2885605 - 07/13/04 12:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I take my kids mushroom hunting all the time. We try to identify all the mushrooms we find. We have found some edibles and some that are just beautiful to look at. I have never found hallucinogenic shrooms that I know of in the wild.

My kids can identify lots of wild plants. It is part of their world, and we spend lots of time in nature.

But they are so young, I haven't talked to them about specific entheogenic plants, just the fact that our government has outlawed some plants (which we all think is incredibly ridiculous!).

They will learn about using and respecting the entheogens when they are older teenagers, or adults, if they are interested.


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: tnecseda]
    #2885621 - 07/13/04 12:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I want to do this too. A lot of people I know, including fellow drug-users, would consider it child abuse, but I want to teach my kids to respect these plants and fungi so that they don't go overboard with it. In certain tribes in Mexico, children as young as 10 are given peyote, and they turn out fine. I also think that using weed and psychedelics with your kids would be a great bonding experience.


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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: silversoul7]
    #2886206 - 07/13/04 03:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"All of those substances listed may be used for harm or to heal. Please explain what criterion you used to determine the goodness and badness so that we may all draw the line at the exact same place."

ill pretend for a minuite you actually want to know as opposed to being needlessly argumentative, but heres my criteria:

first off: death rates. Many people die from first time datura use, as opposed to none from mushrooms and weed. Heroin and opiates also kill many people. So does PCP. So do most of the things i listed. Amanitas are poisonous, so finding a working dose is very dangerous, whereas someone can survive upwards of 50 grams of shrooms.

Next: addictiveness: when someone does speed, or coke, or opiates, addiction is a very real and very dangerous possibility. Whereas the possibility of repetative, continuous abuse of a psychadelic as powerfull and potentially frightening  as peyote or shrooms is almost nil.

Next: general health related and mental side effects: Cocaine destroys your sinus's, is bad for the heart, kills numerous brain cells and damages the fronal lobe. Heroin causes lesions, sickness, heavy withdrawal etc etc... mushrooms may cause some disorentation or fear, weed may leave a lingering odour or a 'muzzy head'

anyways, i know you found it very presumptuos of me to assume that most people on a drug related website had at least a rudimentary understanding of the risks of various drugs, buti still hold that oppinion. It seems to me your the only one in need of help on this topic, and ive spent all the time im willing to in providing you with it.

For more information about the comparative dangers of drugs, try books, or the internet!

what a wonderfull age is this.

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Re: I'm going to teach my kid how to use plants and fungi [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2886217 - 07/13/04 03:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

maybe your difficulty is understanding what context im talking about these drugs being good or bad. So ill clarify: im talking about good and bad drugs for recreational use. Cocaine may be usefull for pulling teeth, opium may be usefull for a burn victim. But for simple kicks, or for some kind of enlightening experience, not much good.

Again, i didnt clarify earlier because i foolishly presumed it was pretty obvious to everyone.

i know i know when you assume you make an ass of you and me...


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