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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: zannennagara]
    #9349082 - 12/02/08 03:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is reincarnation really that much different than evolution? It is establishing a bond between me and an ape, while at the same time acknowledges our differences.

Id say its just as well...


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: daytripper23]
    #9349126 - 12/02/08 03:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was thinking of development within one's life cycle; also the possibility of being born in an improper caste. This is again your example of the talking ape or an apish human; similar would be a genius in the untouchables or a boor in the elites.

I wonder also how you delineate the castes in a way that avoids hierarchical judgment, at least as regards acceptability of eating.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: zannennagara]
    #9349279 - 12/02/08 04:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good points,

I don't really know these answers, I just think there might be something to learn from the caste.


I guess my point is rather that this might be a more realistic system if we faced a more perceivable dynamic in consciousness, which is altogether feasible in my opinion. Perhaps we would face incredible sacrifices in comparison to our world of natural rights; but for one thing, Ive learned that coming to terms with reality is often a sacrifice. Consciousness is often a burden...

What is significant, is not so much the way we would treat these hypothetical ape-human beings, but the light it would shed on there predecessors the ordinary ape, whatever is "below" that and so on.

Your right that this wouldn't avoid the hierarchy, I did not mean to indicate that this was specifically a problem. These graduating levels, although admittedly "drawn lines", are a good thing I think. We have them in our society, its animal rights, and things like that. Its better than the simple natural right, and license to kill, or whatever. Animal rights are somewhat ridiculous, but I like the idea anyway.

Hindu culture is generally vegetarian, so that might answer the essential question. Does this mean they are always watching there step for ants? Does this mean if there house is infested they surrender?

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I guess all I can sensibly say, is that we need lines in between our lines, if you catch my drift. This isn't everything though, it is not perfect, we cannot function merely as a system. We must also be intuitive, compassionate beings, and there is no sense in that.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: xFrockx]
    #9349614 - 12/02/08 08:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

xFrockx said:
Prove "mind" exists, then we'll talk.




You're not gonna do much talking if you set that sort of requirement!


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: mr_kite]
    #9349692 - 12/02/08 09:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What I'm thinking is an extension of Quantum suicide; everything that could happen did. This means that while in your reality you do catch and eat the animal, in the animal's reality he got away unharmed. Therefore we may think we're killing but instead we're just altering our own reality.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: mr_kite]
    #9350052 - 12/02/08 11:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Never said I did, but its the perfect way to end arguments.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: daytripper23]
    #9350397 - 12/02/08 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Is reincarnation really that much different than evolution?




Hmm, let's see...

One is basically fiction based upon superstition; the other a well-tested theory based upon facts.

I remember when people used to actually think before posting.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9350427 - 12/02/08 12:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I remember when people used to actually think before posting.



I don't.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: Icelander]
    #9350450 - 12/02/08 12:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I can't say what I really want without having the post deleted by Wonder Woman.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9350483 - 12/02/08 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Tough titty.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: Icelander]
    #9350494 - 12/02/08 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Your rejoinders of late are somewhat lacking...


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9350501 - 12/02/08 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

BFD


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: Icelander]
    #9350512 - 12/02/08 12:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That was a good example.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9350537 - 12/02/08 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well personally I feel it's ok to eat people who pester you.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: Icelander]
    #9350544 - 12/02/08 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OK, I will PM you a list of those who have been pestering me. :yesnod:


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9350554 - 12/02/08 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can't do that when you are on my plate with gravy all over you.


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: Icelander]
    #9350909 - 12/02/08 02:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"the other a well-tested theory based upon facts."

What are facts?


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: xFrockx]
    #9351034 - 12/02/08 02:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:confused:


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: Icelander]
    #9351164 - 12/02/08 02:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Its not a confusing question.  I sure as hell don't know a single fact, and not even that is a fact.

oops, that was meant for orgone, maybe that's why you replied as such


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Re: Can anyone argue that omnivorous diets are actually more ethical than vegetarian? [Re: xFrockx]
    #9351172 - 12/02/08 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"the other a well-tested theory based upon facts."


I just don't remember saying this.:confused:

Can you show me?


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