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The answer to the philsophical revolution? The media.
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We are producing forms of media of such interactive power and potential social impact, we are going to have to go back and re-think all of this.  Television for example, its a drug.  It has a series of measurable physiological parameters that are as intrinsically its signature as the parameters of heroin or its signature.  You sit somebody down in front of a TV set and turn it on.  20 minutes later come back sample their blood pressure, eye movement rate, blood is pooling is their rear end, their breathing takes on a certain quality, the stare reflex sets in.  They are thoroughly zoned on a drug, and when you think about the fact the average american watches 6.5 hours per day.  Imagine if a drug had been introduced in 1948 that we all sat 6.5 hours a day on.  And as our culture becomes more of a... how can i say this... do as little as possible to achieve comfort, we will be more at hand in trusting those who will do the work to make us comfortable.  I don't think this is too challengable of an idea, the idea that we are giving up our duty to run our own life to the form of technology that will make us more comfortable.  However this kind of philosophy about life is simply doomed.  As Albert Einstein would put it “To make a goal of comfort or happiness has never appealed to me; a system of ethics built on this basis would be sufficient only for a herd of cattle”

And you can see this destruction starting to taking place (global warming, animal populations, dwindling rain forests).  And while there are always going to be hardships to stay alive, we are destroying the fabric on which life is embedded in, far faster than we can fix it, and after all we are embedded in that fabric too....  Something that seems to be forgotten this day in age. The media is obviously a very important tool in controlling culture, its values and philosophies.  I see it is the way we are going to have to change culture.  But the task at hand is this...

How do you get people who are printing the media to print in the media that which will help humanity and life, and not which will help their bank accounts get larger?

A battle between the group and the ego.


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L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

Edited by Cognitive_Shift (07/17/09 01:18 PM)

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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Maybe when there is no money to be made, the ability to do something without the motive of monetary gain will be a possibility.

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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Fraggin]
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How can you get a culture to change its most sought after object (money)?  How do you get an individual to ignore the ego and surrender to the masses?  I personally think media outlets, television and the internet are the only way to do that.  But i think changing the execs motives from money to people is fundamentally flawed because of the ego, its stronger than the care for fellow man.  Especially when money is involved...


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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Greed is a part of the human condition. This has not changed since the beginning of history. In order to transcend the human condition, .. well, now we're getting into heavy philosophy....

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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Fraggin]
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So all humans have "excessive or rapacious desire, esp. for wealth or possessions."?

I think greed is something only greedy humans have.  I think most people are content with what they put into something and get out of it.


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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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The trick is to provide a selfish incentive for being selfless.


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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
The trick is to provide a selfish incentive for being selfless.


But not everyone is a philanthropist.


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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Fraggin]
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Fraggin said:
Greed is a part of the human condition. This has not changed since the beginning of history. In order to transcend the human condition, .. well, now we're getting into heavy philosophy....


I though that is what philosophy was about? and the psychedelic experience? If we don't think about those things then who will?

I agree with what you're saying cognitive, and I think now the media vs the people is starting to look like a money war.... who can buy out all the mainstream outlets. So far they own pretty much all of it but we gotta start somewhere. I mean, when the country's number one question was about marijuana legalization, Obama just brushed it away like it was not important at all. Looks like we need to do something differently.

Edited by Dug a Sprogie (07/17/09 01:19 PM)

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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Right, which is why we need to invent a compelling reason for those of us who are not philanthropists to act generously.  Unfortunately I do not think such a reason exists... all we can hope for is that the philanthropists will eventually outnumber the egoists.


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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
So all humans have "excessive or rapacious desire, esp. for wealth or possessions."?

I think greed is something only greedy humans have.  I think most people are content with what they put into something and get out of it.


Greed is a survival mechanism. An instinct. It's not a necessity of survival in moderin society. But, in the wild you see it. It's a lion guarding a carcass. It's an elk guarding a water source.

You can see it children in it's purest form. They may learn to share, but they keep the largest portion or coolest toy for themself.

Not all humans are greedy. But, on the same token, perhaps they have never been given a big enough share of anything to be greedy with.

Kind of like how absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm not greedy, I share what I have. But, if I had enough to be greedy with, i'd most likely be so.

Example. I have no problem letting a friend borrow my car. But I do not drive a ferrari. If I did, I can guarantee there would be no borrowing of my ferarri.

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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: deCypher]
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As time progresses and people keep acting on the agenda for power socially, politically and economically which is what i see in the future.  I see a desire for change, but i also see a desire for the egos preservation in its vested interests.  If we cannot somehow alter the ego to see that group interest is more important than self interest... gonna put it cut and dry...we are fucked.


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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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It'll be a toss up for sure.  :thumbup:


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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Fraggin]
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Fraggin said:
Cognitive_Shift said:
So all humans have "excessive or rapacious desire, esp. for wealth or possessions."?

I think greed is something only greedy humans have.  I think most people are content with what they put into something and get out of it.


Greed is a survival mechanism. An instinct. It's not a necessity of survival in moderin society. But, in the wild you see it. It's a lion guarding a carcass. It's an elk guarding a water source.


This is where i differ, i don't see greed as a survival instinct.  I see it as a neurotically based ideology which thrives in a neurotically based materialistic society.  I see greed as an aberration, for not all humans want excessive desire for materialistic wealth and possessions.


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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Great posts CS!

The corporate media won't cause a revolution. Why would it? The spectrum of its leverage is grounded in consumer society, and will continue to provide the "virtues" of comfort and satisfaction.

Though it will indeed concern the proportionality of knowledge and information in the populace, and your correct to key in on this, a revolution certainly won't be caused by the traditional "media", which reinforces conglomerations or "bodies" of subject and object relations. (pedantic, hierarchical, etc...)

The crucial media you speak of will not be an entity such as it is today, but in a free flow of content itself. Neither will the anthropomorphism of "'rights" to content stand when the burden of its existence is finally recognized as purely ideal. This is all evident, although quite infantile at the moment, in the generally accepted ethic of the internet today. We have much to be hopeful for, so long as these many new government and corporate cyber-initiatives are kept at bay, such as the government inspired "Internet Czar" (for "terrorism"), and the corporate inspired bandwidth caps (for increased "efficiency")


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

Edited by daytripper23 (07/17/09 03:27 PM)

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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: daytripper23]
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I am hopeful for the future.  However i am terrified of one thing.  Loosing net neutrality.  I personally think the cynical corporate giants would literally turn this world into 1984.  I hold it as a high priority.  For the corporate leaders thought process is "Who cares about all those other people.  Take care of your self, close friends and family.  Why does anyone else and their well being even matter?"


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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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would literally turn this world into 1984.

Friend, it's been turned into that long ago. You just don't have a long reference point.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Can the media bring about a philisophical revolution? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
would literally turn this world into 1984.

Friend, it's been turned into that long ago. You just don't have a long reference point.


I totally agree, you have more life experience than i do.


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Re: The answer to the philsophical revolution? The media. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
As Albert Einstein would put it �To make a goal of comfort or happiness has never appealed to me; a system of ethics built on this basis would be sufficient only for a herd of cattle�


Will, Albert Einstein, while certainly being a genius, didn't have a great grasp on the subject he's speaking on here, as far as how what he said has been represented here, out of context.
Goals of comfort and happiness might just be the only thing that matter. The only other variable to consider is that it comes with responsibility.
Maybe he forgot about that. :shrug:


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Re: The answer to the philsophical revolution? The media. [Re: fireworks_god]
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All the responsibility is gone though because you have given yourself up to the technology. 

For instance look at a celebrity and their entourage.  They do that because they can pay for it.  Once technology and can do the same thing as an entourage, for cheaper cost (just a matter of time imo).  You have given yourself up.  The responsibility is in the technology, not the human.  But where does technology go with responsibility?


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Re: The answer to the philsophical revolution? The media. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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I wasn't replying to the quotation in the context of your post, though. :wink:


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Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
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:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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