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People who bring great change
#3178970 - 09/25/04 01:19 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why is it that most people who try to change things around them on anything over a personal level fail...while the biggest bringers of change usually stumble into while searching for something else?
Is change, at least on a large scale, something we are not all "free" to do?
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3179098 - 09/25/04 02:00 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just realised today how many people are yet prisoners of their own minds and hearts. They are free and always have been. What it takes to realise that is probably something stumbled upon while searching for something else.
To answer your question, if your beleifs tell you that you are not free to change then, in accordance with manifesting laws, you might as well get comforttable in your self made prison.
Did you how terrified some inmates are to get out after they have been in the slammer for a long time? It's scary for them to come out and see how much the world has changed, down right overwhelming.
Relating this to peoples beliefs, I just wrote elsewhere that I wish to develop a better sensitivity and compassion for that fear in others.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3179341 - 09/25/04 03:37 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because the nature of creative energy is spontaneous and chaotic. If you concentrate your efforts towards an end with a specific result in mind, 99% of the time the result won't be what you imagined.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3179346 - 09/25/04 03:40 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because,great change cannot be forced.It must be inspired.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3179521 - 09/25/04 04:29 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am a fervent believer in change.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3179681 - 09/25/04 05:09 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I can't entirely agree with you there, trendal. It almost sounds defeatist. Most change occurs as a direct result of an intention to do so.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3179699 - 09/25/04 05:13 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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partly I think its because we can't control the physical world.
now that doesn't say that we can't do the same for our emotions.
I like to look at the best place to start. my answer to that would be to control the emotional world, and that in itself could bring change to the physical world.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: Viaggio]
#3179701 - 09/25/04 05:13 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some does, yes, but I definitely wouldn't say most. I don't think this is a defeatist attitude, more of an acceptance that things happen for a reason and that reason may not always be human-will
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3179828 - 09/25/04 05:52 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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wow, hehe i just made a post on what could be the reason :P but in short on what i posted.. "people who try to change things around them,are trying, not changin... !" just a thought
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: Gomp]
#3179846 - 09/25/04 05:57 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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"people who try to change things around them,are trying, not changin... !"
thank you!
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3179905 - 09/25/04 06:11 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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hehe, thank you!!
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3180192 - 09/25/04 07:20 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Things change whether or not there is intention. But when there is intention, change is more likely (i.e. technology, society, etc).
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: Viaggio]
#3180223 - 09/25/04 07:27 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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But when there is intention, change is more likely (i.e. technology, society, etc).
But that's just the thing! Most great steps in technology come almost by accident. The industrial revolution began not when the first steam engine was created...it was only after a janitor was asked to repair a small model steam engine, and happened to have an idea of how to make it really work, that things got rolling. Fleming only discovered penicillin when he didn't properly sterilize his bacterial cultures. The history of technological advancement is mostly a disjointed story of accidents
Intention seems to work towards linear advancement, yet most of the true leaps and bounds come from accidental discoveries or even mistakes.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3180257 - 09/25/04 07:33 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Intention seems to work towards linear advancement, yet most of the true leaps and bounds come from accidental discoveries or even mistakes.
It could be that only that which is beyond the mind is where true creativity, intelligence, wisdom and stillness is found, and hence is usually not found when people are using their minds too much, thinking too much.. so those who were not muddled up in thinking and in their mind in such manners are the ones who "accidentally" discovered such and such..
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3180695 - 09/25/04 09:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Intention seems to work towards linear advancement, yet most of the true leaps and bounds come from accidental discoveries or even mistakes.
We've got thinking pretty much covered. Its just our theories that suck
Not-so famous examples: LIBRIUM - the benzodiazepines (minor tranquilizers) were "invented" when chemists botched the reaction to make Chemical A and ended up with freakish product B. Unaware of this they discovered it had great sedative powers, to later find out they made a fully freaky compound that shot their theory to hell but ushered in the Benzo era which finally rid us of those nasty barbiturates.
CHLORPROMAZINE - the whole class of antipsychotic drugs was invented as an unanticipated effect. They were trying to make a new anti-allergy medicine and ended up with Promethazine (currently in some cough syrups. This made people so drowsy they moved the dimethylamine to the gamma-position. Lo and behold! A sedative. "Chlorinate the fucker!" this post-WW1 chemist's answer to problems was applied, and lo and behold:
a sedative was born, Chlorpromazine aka. Thorazine that did the unspeakable: some completely imploded schizophrenics actually left the chronic ward and picked up normal lifestyles. It was an unbelievable sensation to see a formerly dooming illness being so swiftly alleviated or even "cured" by this drug. The effect, called "neuroleptic" or "antipsychotic" was exploited and turned out to be seperate from most of the sedation and in most countries its now an artifact of medical history. Exploitation of the molecule also created the -tricyclic ANTIDEPRESSANTS- which made treatment of mental depression possible as a consequence of that one variation on the hay fever theme!
LSD - The good Dr Hoffman wanted to synthesize a molecule to ease breathing. So he looked at Nikethamine (nicotinic acid diethylamide) and in a historic move attached it to his newfound d-lysergic acid, forming Lysergide aka LSD-25. It was uninteresting stuff so he shelved the whole project. Then years later, for no good reason at all, he re-synthesized the compound. And unbelievably the great chemist spilled a tiny bit nto himself and because it was so freakishly potent he started to trip, being an unwilling but pleasantly surprised human guinea pig.
There you have it: the four major pharmacological revolutions that rocked the 20th century.
-Benzodiazepines: the first true and good anti-anxiety meds. -Neuroleptics: psychosis no longer condemned people to the chronic ward of the mental hospital -Antidepressants: the scourge of depression, finally treatable in most patients. -Psychedelics: Mescaline was known long before, but LSD made the psychedelic revolution happen which greatly fortified the social freedoms and civil rights revolutions of the time. In the early days of Silicon Valley LSD was pretty standard equipment, strictly off the record ofcourse. So in a way the Computer Revolution started out as a psychedelic baby too
What we need is those outlandishly sloppy scientists of old! I say do away with some permits systems and let the toolshed Edisons of today at our current problems!
I seriously believe that deliberately doing things that have never been done before and defy existing logic and dogma should be sought out and explored. Example: 99% of pharms are aromatics. Now aromatics are but half of Organic chemistry, the other being aliphatic comnpounds. How about a lil venture into those areas?
Systematically seeking out outlandish experiments that are far removed from conventional thought ought to be a branch of the science tree. Logic can take you along the path of your existing assumptions. And science showed time and time again we need brand new assumptions! If the herd of sheep keeps on the path they're on they will never find the other path leading to the greener pastures. We need that lost sheep that returns with wild tales of another path! We all woul'd've been lost without our stray sheep
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3180784 - 09/25/04 09:45 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see what you mean...it's as if these advancements were sitting, waiting to be found. So are people bringing great change? Or are they merely vessels in which discoveries decide to travel through?
BTW, I've been pounding the bong
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Intention seems to work towards linear advancement, yet most of the true leaps and bounds come from accidental discoveries or even mistakes.
It could be that only that which is beyond the mind is where true creativity, intelligence, wisdom and stillness is found, and hence is usually not found when people are using their minds too much, thinking too much.. so those who were not muddled up in thinking and in their mind in such manners are the ones who "accidentally" discovered such and such..
I would like to expand on this by what I've read in the material demonstrated by in some researches of a psychologist by the name of Anne Roe, who finds it in group after group of well-known people -- of capable, fruitful, functional, famous people. For instance, in one research she studied all the starred biologists in the American Men of Science. In another research she was able to study every paleontologist in the country. She was able to demonstrate a very peculiar paradox that we'll have to deal with, namely, to that certain degree, many good scientists are what the psychopathologist or the therapist would call rather rigid people, rather constricted people, people who are afraid of their unconscious, in the sense that I have mentioned. And you may then come to the conclusion that I've come to. Science can be defined, if you want to, as a technique whereby uncreative people can create and discover, by working along with alot of other people, by standing upon the shoulders of people who have come before them, by being cautious and careful and so on. Now, that I'll call secondary creativeness. I think, however, that I can lay bare the primary creativeness which comes out of the unconscious and which I have found in the specially creative people that I've personally known and others as well. This primary creativeness is very probably a heritage of every human being. It is a common and universal kind of thing. Certainly it is found in all healthy children. It is the kind of creativeness that any healthy child had and which is then lost by most people as they grow up. It is universal in another sense, that if you dig in a psychotherapeutic way, i.e., if you dig into the unconscious layers of the person, you find it there. I shall give you only one example that you have probably all experienced yourselves. You know that in our dreams, we can be an awful lot more creative than we are in waking life. We can be more clever, and wittier, and bolder, and more original, and so on and so on. With the lid taken off, we find generally more creativeness than appears to the naked eye. Abraham Maslow involved himself in this study and predicated that the unviersal conclusion of psychoanalysts, and I am sure of all other psychotherapists as well, is that psychotherapy, or getting down to these deeper layers which are ordinarily repressed, will release a common heritage -- something that we all have had -- and that was lost and or obscured by the mind/ego...and so on.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3181647 - 09/26/04 01:18 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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If we as humans have come thus far in time... wouldnt you think with all that we have discovered, that maybe a time should come when we wouldnt be limited by our numbers, that eventually we would learn... and push our race to the point where we might be able to internally change ourselves... which would in turn effect the outer world so that it too would change? Maybe this fits into your idea of being an "accident", but is it really an accident? Or is it just a disguise for what you cant explain?
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3182268 - 09/26/04 11:15 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Intent often appears needed for desired change. Change itself however is only an observation of differing moments within the flow of the dimension of time. Change is everywhere, whether or not we observe it.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3184319 - 09/26/04 10:21 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sometimes people do stumble upon things that will change mankind. However, there are plenty of hard-fought and intentional changes in society...for example, I don't think Martin Luther King happened to just luck into being a jumpstart for black civil rights.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: Stinky]
#3185996 - 09/27/04 11:20 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah hah! Good one, Stinky. Take that, trendal I'm confident there are more examples of intentional change, advancement than accidental discoveries.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: Viaggio]
#3186391 - 09/27/04 01:12 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I bet if you really take a look at these situations, you will see that while they may not be "accidental" they still do not fall down to the mere intentions of a single person. When i said most advancement comes by "accident" I probably used the wrong word. What I mean is that most advancement seems to come without warning and independant from individual intention. Very, very few things are invented by a single person toiling away for years in their basement or lab. Individual advancements occur when someone happens to fit together the peices which already exist. Was Dr. King the sole reason for the black civil rights movement? Or was he lucky enough to find himself in JUST the right time and place to kick off the movement?
Do you see my idea, yet? Things do not happen randomly...yet neither do they happen by individual choice.
Things happen when all the precursors come together in the right form.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3186420 - 09/27/04 01:18 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Though I do not know a great deal about Dr. King himself, I would be willing to bet that if you take a good look at the events leading up to his becoming a public figure for the black rights movement you would see that such things did not come about because Dr. King woke up one morning and thought "hey...I should lead a black rights movement!".
In fact, I would argue that (at least in the start) he didn't have any specific intention to begin a movement. He probably found himself in situations that he did not like (racism, segragation) and reacted to them however he could. His reaction, in turn, led to the movement to which he is now redeemed as a figurehead.
For example, I could not (however I try) start a "geek rights" movement. I could parade around as much as I wish and speak of the torment and ridicule we geeks receive on a regular basis...but it would fall mostly on deaf ears. The conditions which would foster this movement do not exist. I cannot do this...not because of personal limitations, but because CHANGE (on a large scale) does not happen by personal intention. I could only accomplish such a thing if the conditions were already there and were just "waiting" for someone to come around and get things rolling.
What I propose is that the specific person credited with "starting" change is not the one who actually causes the change. They are only the expression of a MUCH larger issue that has remained silent for some time.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3186981 - 09/27/04 03:29 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tren,
The more you add here, the more it sounds like you are getting to the topic of synchronicities.
Related to the topics brought up in this thread, is synchronicity a field of conscious intention behind the unintentional?
Could it help lead us to understand why there are "no" accidents or the timing of events which could bring about less force applied in life to make things fit that don't, more patience, acceptance and going with the flow? (looking for possible benefit here)
If there is such a field, and I swear I live in awareness of that field because I am riddle with many synchronicities a day, who or what created it? Did our higher selves set it up to give us a guide in limited awareness or is their two way communcation going on between the free will events of this field realm and the the fabric of synchronicity.
I explore and question all of this myself often and then I stop because free will issues get sticky. The thought of everything being preplanned irks me and yet, if we are the planners and we just wanted to experience lving out the plan, then free wil remains indirectly.
The part that bugs me is, what if the will of the you , that you are aware of in this life, is in conflict with your higher will? Does this one get to change that one or are we bound to surrender to it sooner or later?
If any of this is close to how it might be, I like to think that two way communication and tweeking is going on to keep free will at all levels in play.
I'm seeing one way to look at synchronicity as it being the pulse or timing of universal harmonics. When we are in tune with the universal harmonics, we become aware of the synchronicity and are moved by it. When we are in discord with universal harmonics and rythmic flows, we of course, won't see it or be moved by it and life will become difficult as in being out of step. Like a song and a pre choreographed dance. Just some odd thoughts.
I would appreciate what others have to add to this IF they beleive in the possibility of synchronicity. If you don't then this topic of exploration has no where to go and I think some more people here can take it deeper or further.
Thanks for inspiring me to look at synchronicity from some new views here. It use to be a topic to big for me to wrap my head around, but maybe, it's "time" to understand it better now like your idea of the one being the catlyst for the silent that was brewing. Maybe you or this post is the catalyst and the movement of many voices can add pieces to this puzzle for some of us.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3187444 - 09/27/04 05:12 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I suppose both intended changes for advancement and discoveries are like apples and oranges (they grow all the time). I'm not sure which grows more prominently, but is anyone? No using google to answer that--metaphoric. Change comes in all shapes and sizes, and from different flavors (granny smith to tangy citrus).
Change, by either means, is a result of several factors leading to more factors, which factor into other factors that have subtle but ample effects on certain factors needed to create the necessary factors for change. I might have missed something, so pretend I said "factors" a few more times.
Chaos theory? Hmm...is there such thing as an intended discovery? Maybe everything is intentional, but whose intending all of this? Some divine stoned-out hippy?
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: Viaggio]
#3187472 - 09/27/04 05:17 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Chaos theory? Hmm...is there such thing as an intended discovery?
You get the prize for first to pin my idea down
Is there such a thing? Or is it the unpredictible order of chaos?
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3187486 - 09/27/04 05:18 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, change is just the observation of the differing moments of spacetime.
Intent is delusion
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: trendal]
#3187522 - 09/27/04 05:26 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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You get the prize for first to pin my idea down... Thanks, but I swear I never intended to do that. Some hippy in the clouds just used me as a vessel
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: Viaggio]
#3187678 - 09/27/04 06:04 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does theos "order", the compliment to chaos fit in here and how? does order come out of chaos or does chaos come out of order? Do they cycle in and out of each other creating evolution as in the ordered lab experiment gone chaotic but a new disovery is made contributing to the evolution of medicine?
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Order is perceptualized chaos. Chaos itself is also just a perceptual label, although the fundamental concept behind it, which is a lack of order or design, holds true to the entirity of the universe (outside of subjective perceptions). The perceptions themselves arise, for whatever reason or lack thereof, out of this 'chaotic' dance.
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: deff]
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deff said: Order is perceptualized chaos.
I like that! At least the sound of it. Would you expansiate on it, how perception is formed to percieve a sense of order out of chaos. And hwat the difference is between percpetion that sees chaos versus one that sees order.
You are saying they are the same thing and just see from duality opposites right? if thats it, you don't need to explain.
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That's pretty much it. Basically, our own sense of logic-backed perception would not operate with pure chaos as input, so rather it acts as a filter, creating perceptualized order out of the truly infinite chaos. Expandin on this, outside our perceptions, our own perceptions are nothing more than arising patterns within this infinite system.
Really there are no absolutes, there are no boundaries, there are no morals, there is no objective intent, there is no meaning, there is no seperation. All of these things are self imposed illusions within our subjective view of the chaotic objective void. We thrive on creating illusionary order and duality in order to function as we do
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: deff]
#3188369 - 09/27/04 08:21 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can totally see that and can add that I think some people thrive on chaos- I thrive in both simulataneously. LOL
I was also looking at this from another angle. I was applying all of this to a riot situation. The riot would be chaos, that stemmed from an existing order. I started to look at the energy pattern behind it. You did mention patterns.
It's as if there was an order of sorts, but energy (if expansive in nature) begins to build pressure within the limted form of and order and eventually blows from the pressure resulting in the, the riot, the accident, appearant chaos. Then things settle back into a refined sort of order and then it builds under pressure and blows again. I see this underlying pattern and how it can move along or at least assist evolution.
Patterns patterns patterns, where do they arise from? Is chaos itself a pattern that has this cyclical order? If so , that puts me back to wanting to look further into the underling energy of universal harmonics.
After going back and forth with you, I no longer see discord or the points of chaos as being out of step, but actually keeping in tune and in time with universal harmonics. I think I did before but didn't have it grounded in a comprehesive understanding until now. Now I can play with it.
Thanks deff!
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Good example
Let's look at it a bit more.
The riot (chaos) appears to have broken out of the confined pressure of society (order). However, both of these traits (chaos and order) are assigned purely by an observing perception and they only apply within that perception. What I mean is, sure to a bystander - a riot appears quite chaotic, or lacking the regulatory order placed on everyday "life". However, if we're talking energy here, both situations appear chaotic outside of perception (or atleast in my perception of being out of perception ). We see people acting civil as order, and people acting moblike as chaos, yet both are comprised if the same chaotic atomic designs, infinite variable interactions, all within a chaotic gallaxy of constantly interacting and morphing energy within seemingly infinite dimensions. You can start to see how subjective these terms really are...
Or another example based on this same example. We view the riot as 'chaotic' because we are experiencing a linear time succession of events, in which the later moments appear subjectively more destructive and less orderly than the last. However, time is only within perception. Outside of this, it is all one moment, one hyperspatial object devoid of timeframe succession, and definitely not resembling the subjective chaos observed by our perceptions within this very limited spacetime of the universe.
So, where am I going? Basically these are terms to describe our perception of events. Really, it is always what we would consider chaos, only until we are able to mentally group/classify sensory input into an illusionary 'order'. Or something like that
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I wanted to add this to get clarity. What you are saying is that chaos has no intent and the only meaning that comes out of it is what we prescribed to it and that is the illusion? Wouldn't that be saying that beyond what meaning we personally give events and such that their is no meaning objective to it? If so, Thats deep.
Of course, we put up our own objections to the meaning people impart unto events. If we didn't do that, what would happen to our sense of meaning? Would life start to be experienced as being meaningless without any objection put up to it?
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We double posted, I just read your last one, that was cool. It read like you are on speed. LOL, but I followed it.
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Yes, exactly what I'm saying
Meaning is subjective and not objective, as are all 'qualities'
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Missed that one of yours too
No, not on speed, although I can see why one might think I am
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Re: People who bring great change [Re: deff]
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Thanks for bouncing these lines of thought around. Now I want to think about how it all applies to the discovery of penicillon and Dr. Martin Luther King.
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