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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Precisely! If I can't get my daily allotment of bullshit on the shroomery, I want a supplement!

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: AroundtheSon]
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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: AroundtheSon]
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AroundtheSon said:
Good points! I will let the research guide us on the effects of hormone.

Despite the fact that vitamins are not absorbed easily, that does not mean that we should not have systematic ways of knowing what we are ingesting. Regulating would help this process and reduce faulty claims.

I have no double standard in regard to drugs. I wish they were regulated as well so as to obtain quality and potency - this has nothing to do with legalization, but regulation.

Thank you for your the anecdotal evidence regarding your grandmother. Good day sir!



My problem with making vitamins prescription only isn't that "oh you only absorb 10% of them, veggies and fruits are way better and taste nicer" it's that it's a waste of money. I know from firsthand experience vitamin pills do work, as I use b6 on a semi-recreational basis, and I find vitamin C tasty and use as a tangy additive for juices or foods.

Now, you go to your average GP and ask for a prescription of vitamin C powder because you like to make a funky sweet and sour and they'll say "Why not just use vinegar or lemon juice?"

The point is, it's my choice. I don't need the fucking UN wasting our collective resources to say "Well fruits and veg (which we intend to fuck over with the joys of GM) are better so fuck you. If you want large amounts of vitamin c then you better hope your stomach can hold 15kg of oranges."

Not that most people need, or can stomach 30+ grams, of vitamin C, or any vitamin or mineral, but it's our own personal choice. Like the choice to swear, to express unpopular views, to practice whatever religion we want, or if we want two glasses of wine with a meal, or twenty pints of beer and a kebab.

Codex Alimentarius is just another form of bureaucratic micromanagement, meaning more money gets wasted on fucking useless civil servant jobs.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Visionary Tools said:
The point is, it's my choice. I don't need the fucking UN wasting our collective resources to say "Well fruits and veg (which we intend to fuck over with the joys of GM) are better so fuck you.




while I prefer to get my nutrition from foods I can support your
desire to consume what ever you want, who am I to say what's
right for you, you may have allergies to something in
strawberries but need the enzymes they contain in your diet, I
dont see a need for you to have to go through any additional
hassle to get what you want or to drive the cost up for you
simply because someone at the FDA has decided more regulation is
needed

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Hey Prisoner, you're awesome. Like the dad to whack some sense into me.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: crummydustbunny]
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More like God - He knows everything!

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: AroundtheSon]
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Around the Son (lol, I get it), where did you hear that high fat diets cause girls to menstrate at a younger age?  Can you provide links?


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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: M.Reynolds]
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How am I a hypocrite in this particular instance - which warranted a negative rating?

But, because I care:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/18/2573904.htm

http://stanford.wellsphere.com/weight-loss-article/high-fat-diet-linked-to-early-puberty-and-health-complications/30676

A host of research has found that high fat diets lead to increased hormone levels, which subsequently might effect onset.

Have a good day, brah.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: AroundtheSon]
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/18/2573904.htm

Genetic link between period onset and BMI
By Nicky Phillips for Science Online

A large group of studies have found genetic links between body mass index and the onset of menarche




http://stanford.wellsphere.com/weight-loss-article/high-fat-diet-linked-to-early-puberty-and-health-complications/30676

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Yeah, people with genetic propensity to have a larger BMI are likely to experience early menstruation?

Here's the link in full for the article that won't show up:

High-Fat Diet Linked to Early Puberty and Health Complications
Posted Aug 05 08 11:03am

The New York Times this week published an animal study examining foods eaten during a rats pregnancy and nursing and its possible affect on the age that their offspring starts puberty.  For girls, an early first menstrual period has been linked to complications later in life such as breast cancer, obesity, and insulin resistance and is associated with teenage depression.

pregnant momResearcher from the University of Auckland conducted a study in which they fed pregnant rats two different diets and continued the feedings though lactation.  One group received a high-fat diet while the other group received a regular diet.  After the babies were weaned from their mothers, they also consumed a high-fat or regular diet.

The researchers noticed those rats whose mothers consumed a high-fat diet had a much earlier onset of puberty, despite the diet the babies ate.  Also, babies that ate a high-fat diet had an early puberty (even if their mothers ate a regular diet). Deborah Sloboda, lead author of the study, concluded with “This might suggest that the fetal environment in high-fat fed mothers plays a greater role in determining pubertal onset than childhood nutrition”.

Easily said, a high-fat diet may be linked to early puberty.  A diet high in fat is linked to numerous health complications, but knowing this information is very important for expecting mothers.  The truth is you are making decisions about yours and your baby’s health.  Whilepregnantandlactating, it is imperative to provide your child with the best and healthiest food choices.  For specifics, consult a Registered Dietitian (RD) in your area or ask your physician for a RD that specializes in pregnancy and lactation nutrition.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: AroundtheSon]
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far more studies have shown that it's a defective gene responsible for both

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Prisoner#1]
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one thing that doesn't surprise me about this codex suffering is no regulation on fluoride toothpaste. Sodium fluroide is a toxic tranquiliser, the damn thing used to have skull and crossbones poison labels, and if you have some of the toxic stuff, you will see the "if you ingest.. seek medical help" blurb.

So, according to the UN, we're too fucking stupid to be trusted with something as innocious as vitamin C (can't overdose on it, the body flushes it through the kidneys. Worst that can happen is dirrohea) yet we'll still be allowed to buy higly neurotoxic dentifrice, that as well as lowering IQ, causes teeth to become more brittle and mottled brown!.

Yay! Thankyou UN for having our best interests at heart.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Visionary Tools]
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I looked into the bovine growth hormone thing. Doesn't seem to be associated with "precoscious puberty" but there is a solid link between it and cancer.

http://www.preventcancer.com/avoidable/colon_cancer/milk_colon.htm

Quote:
American Milk: Colon and Breast Cancer Risks

American dairy farmers use rBGH hormone to increase milk production

    * rBGH increases cancer risk of milk
    * Citizen advocacy groups escalate efforts against rBGH

Study Warns of Colon and Breast Cancer Risks from rBGH Milk

January 23, 1996, Washington, DC - The Cancer Prevention Coalition and Food & Water, released a study today reporting that milk from cows injected with recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone (rBGH) increases risks of breast and colon cancers in humans. This study is published in the January issue of the International Journal of Health Services, a peer-reviewed, leading international public health journal.

The study summarizes evidence that rBGH increases levels of insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) in milk. IGF-1 is a powerful stimulator and regulator of cell-growth and division in humans and cows. The study concludes that increased IGF-1 levels are risk factors for breast and colon cancer.

rBGH poses an even greater risk to human health than ever considered," warned Samuel Epstein M.D., Professor of Environmental Medicine at the University of Illinois School of Public Health and Chairman of the Cancer Prevention Coalition, author of the new report. "The FDA and Monsanto have a lot to answer for. Given the cancer risks, and other health concerns, why is rBGH milk still on the market?"

Since 1986, independent scientists have expressed concern about the lack of research on the potential health effects of IGF-1 in rBGH milk. More recently, the Council of Scientific Affairs of the American Medical Association admitted that: "Further studies will be required to determine whether the ingestion of higher than normal concentrations of bovine IGF-1 is safe."

Increased IGF-1 levels in rBGH milk exert their cancer promoting effects directly on cells lining the colon, and on breast cells, following absorption into the blood.

" Monsanto 's claims that rBGH is perfectly safe have been proven dead wrong today. This study further validates the health concerns of millions of consumers about this controversial product," said Michael Colby, Executive Director of Food and Water. "Only Monsanto is benefiting from this drug. It's time for dairy companies to side with consumers by adopting a policy that they will not allow rBGH, under any circumstances, to be used by their farmers."

Epstein concluded, "The entire nation is currently being subjected to a large-scale adulteration of an age-old dietary staple by a poorly characterized and unlabeled biotechnology product which is very different than natural milk."

Statement by the Cancer Prevention Coalition on IGF-1 and Breast and Colon Cancer

The FDA has ignored the wide range of converging evidence that associates increased consumption of insulin growth factor-i (IGF- 1), which increases in milk from rBGH treated cows, with a potential risk of breast and other types of cancer.

Published research shows that rBGH use on dairy cows induces a marked and sustained increase in levels of insulin-like growth factor-1, or IGF-1, in cow’s milk. This is admitted by FDA (Juskevich & Guyer, 1990), and more explicitly by others (Prosser 1988; Prosser 1989; Mepham, 1992). A recent admission by another manufacturer of rBGH (Eli Lilly & Co.) reports a ten fold increase in IGF-1 levels. Furthermore, there is suggestive evidence that IGF- 1 in rBGH milk is more bioactive than in non-hormonal milk (Mepham, 1992).

IGF-1 regulates cell growth, division and differentiation, particularly in children. Human and normal bovine IGF-1 are identical, they are largely bound in protein and thus probably less biologically active than unbound IGF1 in rBGH derived milk.

IGF-1 is not destroyed by pasteurization. In fact this process substantially increases IGF-1 levels in milk. (Juskevich and Guyer, 1990). Nor is IGF-1 destroyed by digestion. Moreover, FDA admits that IGF-1 is readily absorbed across the intestinal wall (Juskevich & Guyer, 1990); this was also previously admitted by Monsanto in 1987. Further confirmation is also provided by other authorities (e.g. Mepham, 1992). Additionally, recent research indicates that IGF-1 can be absorbed into the bloodstream where it can effect other hormones. (Donovan and Odle, 1994)

FDA and other industry sources have not published any detailed studies on the oral toxicity of IGF-1 Rather, they have consistently refused to make available their findings and raw data. A highly condensed summary of an IGF- 1 Monsanto short term test in mature rats was released by FDA (Juskevich & Guyer, 1990). The agency alleges that this study confirms IGF- 1's "lack of oral activity." At the outset it should be noted that the Monsanto test was contracted out to Hazelton Laboratories, which has a two decade history of misrepresentation of scientific data. (Epstein, 1978). However, even the cited Monsanto/Hazelton data explicitly reveal statistically significant evidence of growth promoting effects. Feeding relatively low doses of IGF-1 to mature rats for only two weeks resulted in statistically significant and biologically highly significant systemic effects: increased body weight; increased liver weight; increased bone length; and decreased epiphyseal width. These results are confirmatory of prior theoretical predictions.

The FDA has failed to investigate the effects of long-term feeding of IGF- 1 and rBGH-milk on growth, or on more sensitive sub-cellular effects, in infant rats or infants of any other species.

Significantly, cows injected with rBGH show heavy localization of IGF-l in breast (udder) epithelial cells; this does not occur in untreated cows. (Furlanetto, et al, 1984; Gregor, et al, 1985; Campbell, et al, 1986.) IGF-1 induces rapid division and multiplication of normal human breast epithelial cells in tissue cultures. It is highly likely that IGF- 1 promotes transformation of normal breast epithelium to breast cancers. (Furlanetto, et al, 1984; Harris, et al, 1992, growth factors such as IGF-1 "are responsible at least in part for the evolution of normal breast epithelia to breast cancer...'). Moreover, IGF-1 maintains the malignancy of human breast cancer cells, including their invasiveness and ability to spread to distant organs. (Lippman, 1991, 1993). IGF-l has been similarly associated with colon cancer (Tricolo, et al, 1986).

The undifferentiated pre-natal and infant breast is particularly susceptible to hormonal influences. (Ekbom, et al. 1992) Such imprinting by IGF-1 may increase future breast cancer risks, and may also increase the sensitivity of the breast to subsequent unrelated risks such as mammography and the carcinogenic and estrogen-like effects of pesticide residues in food, particularly in pre-menopausal women. (Elwood, et al, 1993).

Concerns about increased levels of IGF- 1 in milk from cows treated with rBGH are not new. In 1990, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Consensus panel on rBGH expressed concerns on adverse health effects of IGF-1 in rBGH milk, calling for further study on the treated milk's impacts, especially on infants. (NIH, 1991). In a 1989 letter to the FDA, I warned that the effects of IGF-1 "could include premature growth stimulation in infants, [breast enlargement] in young children and breast cancer in adult females." More recently, the Council on Scientific Affairs of the American Medical Association stated: "Further studies will be required to determine whether the ingestion of higher than normal concentrations of bovine insulin-like growth factor is safe for children, adolescents and adults." (AMA, 1991). Instead of further study, the FDA allowed for uncontrolled, unlabeled sales of treated milk to unwitting consumers.

Given the potential health impacts of consumption of milk and other dairy products derived from rBGH treated cows, all such products at a minimum be labeled so that consumers are aware of what they are purchasing and consuming. More prudently the FDA approval of rBGH should be withdrawn until the agency performs adequate long term testing on the impacts of increased levels of IGF- 1 in milk and other dairy products derived from rBGH treated cows.

References
American Medical Association, Council on Scientific Affairs. Biotechnology and the American Agriculture Industry. JAMA 1991:265:1429-1436

Ayre, S.G. et al. Neoadjuvant low-dose chemotherapy with insulin in breast carcinomas. Eur. J. Cancer. 1990: 26:1262-1263

Campbell, P.G. and Baumrucker, C.R. Characterization of insulin-like growth factor-1/somatomedin-C receptors in bovine mammary gland. Endocrinol. 116 (Suppl. 1 Abstract: 223, 1985.

Donovan, S.M. and Odle J., 1994. Growth Factors in Milk as mediators of Infant development. Annual Review of infant development. Annual Review of Nutrion, 14:147-67.

Ekbom, A. et al. Evidence of prenatal influence on breast cancer risk. The Lancet Oct.24, 1992:1015-1018.

Epstein, S.S. Polluted Data, The Sciences, Vol.18, 16-21, July, August, 1978.

Epstein, S.S. Potential public health hazards of biosynthetic milk hormones. Int.J. Health Services 1990:20:73-84.

Furlaneto, R.W., DiCarlo, J.N. Somatomedin-C receptors and growth effects in human breast cells maintained in long-term tissue culture. Cancer Res. 1984:44:2122-2128.

Glimm, D .R. et al. Effect of bovine somatropin on the distribution of immunoreactive insulin like growth factor-i in lactating bovine mammary tissue. J. Dairy Sci. 1988:71:2923-2935.

Gregor, P. and Burleigh, B.D. Presence of high affinity somatomedin/insulin-line growth factor receptors in porcine mammary gland. Endocrinol. 116 (suppl. 1, Abstract) :223, 1985.

Hanson, M.K. Biotechnology & milk: benefit or threat? Consumer Policy institute, New York. 1990.

Harris, J.R. et al. Breast Cancer. NEJM 1992:7;473-480

Juskevich, J.C., Guyer, C.G. (FDA). Bovine growth hormone food safety evaluation. Science 1990:249:875-884.

Lippman, M.E. The development of biological therapies for breast cancer. Science 1993:259:631-632.

Marx, J. Oncogenes evoke new cancer therapies. Science 193:249:1376-1378.

McBride, B.W. et al. The influence of bovine growth hormone on lactation of dairy cows. Res. Dev. Agric. 1988:5:1-21

Mepham, T.B. Public health implications of Bovine somatotropin use in dairying: discussion paper. J. Royal Soc. Medicine 1992:85:736-739

National Institutes of Health, Technology Assesment Conference Statement on bovine Somatotropin. JAMA 191:265:1423-1425

Prosser, C.G. Bovine somatotropin and milk composition. The Lancet November 19, 1988:1201

Prosser, C. G. et. al. Increased secretion of insulin-like growth factor 1 into milk of cows treated with recombinantly derived bovine growth hormone, J. Dairy Res. 1989:56:17-26

Source: Press Conference, National Press Club, Washington D.C., January 23, 1996

CONTACT:
Samuel S. Epstein, M.D.
Chairman, Cancer Prevention Coalition
c/o University of Illinois at Chicago
School of Public Health, M/C 922
2121 W. Taylor Street
Chicago, IL 60612

epstein@uic.edu




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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Visionary Tools]
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shhh...

you might bruise egos.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Visionary Tools said:
I looked into the bovine growth hormone thing. Doesn't seem to be associated with "precoscious puberty" but there is a solid link between it and cancer.





http://dsp-psd.communication.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb981-e.htm#Human%20Health(txt)

if you look at the organizations that approve you'll see that
several have close ties with Monsanto, the folks that have
developed rBST, you'll also see that the slight increase in
production of IGF-1 is about 5 times normal levels, monsato is
the same company that's sued dairy farmers for ot using the
product, sued them for labling their milk as rBST free and is
blocking studies through litigation to prevent the public from
having the knowledge about many of their products

most of these organizations are saying that rBST is safe while
the scientific community is reporting otherwise

has anyone looked at the connection to IGF-1/rBST and weight
gain in human children? could be the link is there but it simply
hasnt been examined

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: AroundtheSon]
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AroundtheSon said:
shhh...

you might bruise egos.




whos ego?

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FDA and other industry sources have not published any detailed studies on the oral toxicity of IGF-1 Rather, they have consistently refused to make available their findings and raw data. A highly condensed summary of an IGF- 1 Monsanto short term test in mature rats was released by FDA (Juskevich & Guyer, 1990). The agency alleges that this study confirms IGF- 1's "lack of oral activity." At the outset it should be noted that the Monsanto test was contracted out to Hazelton Laboratories, which has a two decade history of misrepresentation of scientific data. (Epstein, 1978). However, even the cited Monsanto/Hazelton data explicitly reveal statistically significant evidence of growth promoting effects. Feeding relatively low doses of IGF-1 to mature rats for only two weeks resulted in statistically significant and biologically highly significant systemic effects: increased body weight; increased liver weight; increased bone length; and decreased epiphyseal width. These results are confirmatory of prior theoretical predictions.

The FDA has failed to investigate the effects of long-term feeding of IGF- 1 and rBGH-milk on growth, or on more sensitive sub-cellular effects, in infant rats or infants of any other species.




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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The earth is the center of the universe.

Global cooling.

Global warming.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: AroundtheSon]
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AroundtheSon said:
look at me, I'm trolling!!!



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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: crummydustbunny]
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Its all just part of a bigger plan
:grin:



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Re: Codex Alimentarius [Re: Ben18]
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Monsanto controls about 70% of the worlds GMO crops. I believe this goes hand in hand with codex. Control the worlds food supply, control the populace

source: http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/genetic-engineering/ge-industry/monsanto

It so hard to get around things like High fructose corn syrup, mono sodium glutamate, genetically modified food, aspartame.... the list goes on. It is in practically EVERYTHING you eat in fast food joints, foods at walmart, safeway, etc.

Even if by choice you DO decide to stop eating these things, you'll find yourself having a difficult time because coorporations lobby millions to not have to be labeled as such.

sources: http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/7608-4049
http://www.thecampaign.org/

Of course, only way to get around this (and shroomites are very good at this) is to grow your own, and/or adopt a vegetarian diet. :thumbup:

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