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STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of toxic
    #6559157 - 02/12/07 07:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

food.


I will give you the condensed version for those that don't like walls of text:

Codex Alimentarius is a massive corporate entity with no almost binds to legality that has slipped through the cracks and if they have their way, will be in total control of the world's supply of food by 2009. They set the standards. Codex is based in Napoleonic Code, not common law. Codex has stated that nutrition has no role in health, and that vitamins and minerals are toxins. They don't however, have any qualms with toxic pesticides and other chemicals being used in and on your foods. They also want to standardize the irradiation of every piece of food. Under Codex's plan, they estimate (and this is CODEX's professionals opinion, straight from their initiative.. who would know better then their experts?) that 3 billion people globally would die from malnutrition, and 1 billion would die from starvation.

Under Codex Law:

- High quality supplements, vitamins, and minerals.. would be illegal.

- Every dairy cow on the planet MUST be treated with recombinant bovine growth hormones. You would not even have the option to get milk, yogurt, etc WITHOUT it.

- Every animal used for food on the planet, MUST be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics. Again.. no option.

- Mandates that ALL food must be irradiated, unless it is eaten locally and raw.

This is only the tip of the iceberg.
Who survives? Those who are wealthy enough, and have access to pure unadalterated food.

Here are some videos I highly suggest you check out

Nutricide - Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634&



We Become Silent. The Last Days of Health Freedom
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=451097355502728465&










Here is the group aiming to stop Codex - http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php

Here is the "5 minute tour of Codex", or the common points
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php?page_id=155


And here is Codex Alimentarius itself - http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp
Check out the "Official Standards"


Now the wall of text:

1) Started in 1962 by UN, Imposed by WTO Sanctions

Codex Alimentarius was created in 1962 as a trade Commission by the UN to control the international trade of food. Its initial intentions may have been altruistic but it has been taken over by corporate interests, most notably the pharmaceutical, pesticide, biotechnology and chemical industries.

Codex Alimentarius is backed up by the crippling trade sanctions of the World Trade Organization (WTO). Any non Codex-compliant nation would face huge economic punishment since they would automatically lose in any food-trade dispute with a Codex compliant country.
2) “Nutrients are Toxins” Is Junk Science

Codex Alimentarius Commission (CAC) has two committees which impact nutrition.

One of them, the “Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses” (CCNFSDU), is chaired by Dr. Rolf Grossklaus, a physician who believes that nutrition has no role in health. This is the “top-guy” for Codex nutritional policy, and he has stated that “nutrition is not relevant to health”.

As unbelievable as it may sound, Dr. Grossklaus actually declared nutrients to be toxins in 1994 and instituted the use of toxicology (Risk Assessment) to prevent nutrients from having any impact on humans who take supplements! It is worth mentioning that Dr. Grossklaus happens to own the Risk Assessment company advising CCNFSDU and Codex on this issue. This company makes money when its toxicology services are used for the “assessment” of nutrients. Here in the U.S. we call that a “conflict of interest”.

Codex is made up of thousands of standards and guidelines. One of them, the Vitamin and Mineral Guideline (VMG), is designed to permit only ultra low doses of vitamins and minerals (and make clinically effective nutrients illegal). How can the VMG restrict dosages of vitamins and minerals? By using Risk Assessment (toxicology) to assess nutrients.

While Risk Assessment is a legitimate science (it is a branch of toxicology), it is the wrong science for assessing nutrients! In fact, in this context, it is actually junk science. Biochemistry, the science of life processes, is the correct science for assessing nutrients. Codex Alimentarius treats nutrients as toxins, which is literally insane.

Nutrients are not toxins - they are essential for life.

No matter what Codex Alimentarius officials say to convince you that Risk Assessment is a “science-based” approach to nutrients, it is not.

And it is worth repeating that Dr. Grossklaus, the head of Codex Alimentarius, owns the Risk Assessment company advising CCNFSDU and Codex on the “benefit” of using Risk Assessment to assess nutrients.
3) Not Consumer Protection - That’s Propaganda

Contrary to the propaganda, Codex Alimentarius has nothing to do with consumer protection. Nothing! Codex is about the economic ambitions of multi-national corporations, in particular, the pharmaceutical industry.

Using their multi billion-dollar marketing budgets, these industries have launched a massive media propaganda campaign to paint Codex Alimentarius as a benevolent tool of “consumer protection”, as well as to negatively taint the image of natural health options and mislead people to fear them as “dangerous”, so they will take drugs (which really are dangerous). Natural health products and options have an amazing safety record and are remarkably effective, especially when compared to pharmaceutical drugs.

Unfortunately, one-time defenders of health freedom such as National Nutritional Foods Association (NNFA) and Council for Responsible Nutrition (CRN) have joined the propaganda bandwagon and are spreading false information saying that Codex Alimentarius is either “harmless” or benevolent “consumer protection”. Neither is true.

The membership of these one-time defenders of health freedom has become permeated by people from the pharmaceutical industry (for example, CRN counts as its members corporations such as Monsanto® and Bayer®).
4) Codex: Serious Threat to Health and Health Freedom

If Codex Alimentarius is implemented in the United States of America, therapeutic dosages of vitamins and minerals (and all other nutrients soon to follow) will become unavailable because they will literally become illegal.

Here’s how it would work, in a nut-shell:

Due to the junk science use of Risk Assessment (toxicology) to assess supposedly toxic nutrients, a false belief is being engineered saying that “nutritional supplements are dangerous to people’s health”.

Using this false belief generates calls to “protect” people from these “toxic” nutrients. After the calls come the bills to set ultra low permissible dosages (remember, nutrients are deemed “dangerous toxins” under this false belief). If enough of us and our Congressional delegates buy this nonsense, we and Congress would blindly comply with Codex Alimentarius’ VMG. And blind compliance is what the industries behind Codex Alimentarius intend.

Blind compliance goes hand-in-hand with lack of activism. This lack of activism allows our protective laws, classifying nutrients as foods with no upper limits (such as DSHEA), to be easily repealed and replaced with draconian laws to classify nutrients as toxins. And “harmonization” with the pro-illness, pro-pharmaceutical industry Vitamin and Mineral Guideline is there to fill the void.

Only intentionally ineffective, ultra low dose supplements would be legal, with or without a prescription, on the VMG list. If enough people do not take action, we can expect to watch nutritional supplement manufacturers and, thus health food stores, to go out of business, in a domino effect. The only player left standing would be Big Pharma.

Therapeutic grade vitamins, minerals, and amino acids would be eliminated from the marketplace (although a few low-dose supplements would be allowed by Codex, as a symbolic measure to avoid suspicion about their ulterior motive).

Natural health professionals would lose the tools of their trade (nutritional supplements) and health conscious people would be unable to choose natural health options for health promotion and disease treatment.

And that is, in a nutshell, how Codex Alimentarius is poised to make Natural and Nutritional Medicine (NNM) disappear from the legal health world and go underground. Who benefits? Big Pharma.

It would take a few years for the above scenarios to be feasible (Codex Alimentarius is meant to go into full global effect by 2010). The slower the process takes, the less alarmed people will be. That’s probably the logic of the architects of Codex Alimentarius.
5) Serves Economic Interests of Sickness Industries Through WTO and Napoleonic Code

More and more people are turning to natural health products globally. The “wellness” trend is a major trend in today’s society. The more natural health products people use, the fewer drugs they buy. The pharmaceutical industry, which is part of the “Sickness Industry”, fears the inevitable shift toward natural health care.

Instead of accepting the will of the people and rethinking the future of the pharmaceutical industry, the industry has decided upon an unethical course of action: the use of deception and deceit to eliminate natural health products completely.

Codex Alimentarius is a shrewd vehicle for protecting the pharmaceutical industry from the loss of income it stands to suffer due to the inevitable growth of natural healthcare.

Codex Alimentarius is the resistance of the dinosaurs to inevitability: the burgeoning desire of humanity for a healthier, saner, and more sustainable way of life.

The World Trade Organization (WTO) intends to force Codex Alimentarius upon the nations of the world, including the U.S. This would be done under the threat of massive economic sanctions if WTO-countries do not comply with Codex Alimentarius.

Furthermore, Codex is based in the Napoleonic Code, not Common Law. That means that under Codex Alimentarius, anything not explicitly permitted is forbidden. Under Common Law, we hold that anything not explicitly forbidden is permitted. The difference is the difference between health freedom and health tyranny. Codex Alimentarius would be able to ban supplements by default.
6) DSHEA Protects America From Codex Alimentarius

The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA, 1994), an American law classifying our supplements and herbs as foods (which can have no upper limit set on their use), was passed by unanimous Congressional consent following massive grass-roots support organized by health food stores. Millions of American activists told Congress, in no uncertain terms:

“Protect nutritional supplements as foods or we will remove you from office”.

Congress listened and carried out the will of the people.

DSHEA appropriately classifies nutritional supplements as foods which can have no upper limits set on their use. DSHEA recognizes that people use nutrients safely to deal with their individually differing needs for nutrients. The concept of biochemical individuality means that people have different needs for nutrients at different times. Are nutrients toxins? No, they are not toxins. They are substances essential to prevent, treat and cure any chronic condition, in differing doses at different times in different people.

DSHEA protects the US from Codex Alimentarius’ deadly Vitamin and Mineral Guideline. We must reach our Congressional members, educate them about the facts on Codex Alimentarius and direct them to vote against anything that would threaten DSHEA.

Congress holds the keys to our health freedom. And it is their job to listen to us. Let’s not allow cynicism to tell us otherwise. We did it for DSHEA in 1994. We can do it again in 2005.
7) Your Action is Needed Now!

DSHEA is under significant legislative attack right now. Your letter-writing is crucial: if the members of Congress know that voting against health freedom means losing their jobs come election time, they will listen. Our job is to make sure they get the message loud and clear. Take action via our 3 easy steps and send personalized emails to Congress right now.

After taking action on HealthFreedomUSA.org, consider getting together with others in your area and visit your Congressional members in their home offices. If we wait, we lose our health freedoms. Once we “HARMonize” with Codex, by the way, we no longer have the right, while we belong to the WTO, to repeal or change that “HARMonization”!
Conclusion

The objective of the pro-Codex Alimentarius multi nationals is to “boil the frog slowly” so that we do not wake up to it in time to avoid Codex.

Once we have “HARMonize” to Codex Alimentarius, as long as we are in the WTO, we cannot amend or change what we’ve been “HARMonize” to.

Codex Alimentarius will go into global implementation by December 31, 2009, unless We, the People, avert it. We must act now because right now, with $758 Million spent on declared Congressional lobbying by Big Pharma last year, there are members of Congress who are trying to overturn DSHEA and allow Pharma-friendly free reign for Codex. If protective laws like DSHEA are destroyed, the sanctioning power of the autocratic WTO kicks in, and it will be impossible to get out from under Codex Alimentarius. We can protect our access to high potency nutrients and stave off an adulterated food supply only by putting pressure on Congress.



TAKE ACTION!
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php?page_id=183


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of toxic [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559175 - 02/12/07 07:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

good post. :thumbup:


I bet this company makes the pharmaceutical worlds dick hard.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of toxic [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559186 - 02/12/07 07:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Let me be the first one to call BULLSHIT.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559193 - 02/12/07 07:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!! 5 SHROOMS!!!

I have been reading up on this allot at another website and its a VERY serious issue to say the least. Every few days I will bump it.

Again, GREAT IDEA posting this :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: daytripper05]
    #6559197 - 02/12/07 07:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Spread the word. Send letters to your state representative.. 99% of them have never even HEARD about Codex.

Sign the Citizen's Petition to Protect America's Health Freedom from CODEX.
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/action/step3/petition-letter.shtml


When you fill this out you will be sending the following letter to congress online:



Barbara Schneeman, PhD
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Office of Nutritional Products
Food and Drug Administration
5600 Fishers Lane Rockville MD 20857-0001

Dear Drs. Schneeman and Scarbrough:

I am deeply concerned about health and health freedom in the US under the continuing assault of both Codex Alimentarius and those domestic forces which seek to undermine my access to natural health promotion options (including nutritional supplements and clean, unadulterated food). Therefore I wish to join the Natural Solutions Foundation in urging you to support the adoption and implementation through legislation and regulation of the Revised Vitamin and Mineral Guideline (VMG) which would put the US in a position of Codex Compliance per our Vitamin and Mineral laws and regulations (thus avoiding the possibility of huge WTO trade sanctions in disputes around those nutrients). This Revised VMG would, at the same time, strengthen and solidify the principles of DSHEA for the benefit of the health of both the populace and the Wellness Industry. Please direct Codex Delegates to foster those policies and do so in your domestic policy dealings as well.

I urge you to adopt US Codex policies which support of the spirit and the letter of the protective tradition, regulation and legislation representing the best of public policy. Those policies should be strictly in line with US law preventing harmonization with any international standard or guideline which conflict or contradicts United States law as specified in the Citizen Petition and its Amendments provided to your offices by the Natural Solutions Foundation.

I wish to join the petition and add my voice to those of other Americans who want their health and health freedom supported by their government domestically and internationally in support of the positions, hearing requests and Revised Vitamin and Mineral Guideline presented in that Petition as delineated in the most recent Amendment (submitted to you on October 14, 2005 by the Natural Solutions Foundation), and to the Secretaries of Agriculture, Health and Human Services, Commerce, Transportation, Commissioners of the EPA and FDA, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and the Majority and Minority leaders of both Houses of Congress.

Thank you for your attention to this urgent matter. Codex standards, guidelines and regulations threaten our rights and laws in serious ways by lowering the protective bar to satisfy trade, not health, considerations. This is highly detrimental to us all and is a violation of the significant protection offered to us in this country by laws like DSHEA and similar statutes.

Please bring US Codex Policy and activities of the US Codex Office and FDA in line with US law and protective public policy.

Yours in health and freedom,

(Your Full Name)
(Your Full Address)
(Your email address)


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #6559202 - 02/12/07 07:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

BuddahKillah said:
Let me be the first one to call BULLSHIT.




Care to explain? :smirk:


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559212 - 02/12/07 07:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i filled it out and sent it. I am going to bookmark that website.

seriously thanks bro.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: daytripper05]
    #6559223 - 02/12/07 07:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I bet this company makes the pharmaceutical worlds dick hard.




Indeed it does. Especially since the pharmaceutical industry runs it now, along with the pesticide, biotechnology and chemical industries.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559243 - 02/12/07 07:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Isn't also a strange that in the US the FDA controls drugs and food?

how are drugs the same as food?

Bush administration and above all the FDA makes me fucking sick


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of toxic [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559365 - 02/12/07 07:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Don't join Al Qaeda just because some quacks who push phony natural health tells you to. Look at this site:
http://www.quackwatch.com/
http://www.naturowatch.org/


Edited by Luddite (02/12/07 07:53 PM)


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of toxic [Re: Luddite]
    #6559393 - 02/12/07 07:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

phony natural health?

what the fuck do think makes you get sick and have poor immunes system?

by not eating health. anything that debunks natural health is in some way paid for by Big Pharma.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Luddite]
    #6559394 - 02/12/07 07:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

WTF did I say anything about Al Qaeda?
And what does that site have ANYTHING to do with this topic? There is nothing on that site about Codex Alimentarius or Healthfreedom.org.
I'm promoting the continuation of Health Freedom. And the awareness and ULTIMATE DESTRUCTION of Codex Alimentarius. Not "phony natural health", whatever the fuck that means. Learn to read and comprehend.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559406 - 02/12/07 07:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Look at this:
http://www.quackwatch.com/
http://www.naturowatch.org/
Most people pushing natural health things are con artists.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Luddite]
    #6559426 - 02/12/07 07:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Like I said. LEARN TO READ.
That has absolutely NOTHING to do with this topic.
They are pushing the AWARENESS OF CODEX ALIMENTARIUS AND DESTROYING IT, BECAUSE IT THREATENS GLOBAL HEALTH.
We are talking about the criminalization of vitamins and minerals... please explain to me how this has ANYTHING to do with "people pushing natural health things".

And yeah.. most people pushing health things are con artists.. right.

:whatever:


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559437 - 02/12/07 07:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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And yeah.. most people pushing health things are con artists.. right.

:whatever:




the biggest con artist of all time are the drug companies and doctors who support them


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559486 - 02/12/07 08:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

They just keep adding shit to the list of stuff that makes me want to instigate some sort of global nuclear meltdown.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559547 - 02/12/07 08:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

What the fuck are you talking about? You mean the food group set up by the UN? They make sure food is properly labeled, and recommend things, they certainly are not a corporation.
Read the new report yourself
ftp://ftp.fao.org/codex/Alinorm06/al29_41e.pdf


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: TheCow]
    #6559589 - 02/12/07 08:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

They are run by corporate interests now.
And their 'plan' would not go into effect until 2009.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559603 - 02/12/07 08:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Do you have a link to where they claim that all animals must use growth hormones? Or really anything you claim? And by a link I mean a link to the specific document where they state this.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6559609 - 02/12/07 08:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If they are run by corporate interests, why do their documents read like a UN report. Where different delegations from countries propose ammendments and ideas.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of toxic [Re: daytripper05]
    #6559674 - 02/12/07 08:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you so much for opening my eyes to this. i have never even herd of them before... and I'm sure a lot of people haven't either..... i sent out a mass email and a my space bulletin... asking everyone to repost it..... thank you so much


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #6559681 - 02/12/07 08:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Oh well thank god we've got a Myspace bulletin going around now :rolleyes:

"Repost this or CODEX will ruin your love life for 10 years!!!"


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of toxic [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #6559685 - 02/12/07 08:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Thank you so much for opening my eyes to this. i have never even herd of them before... and I'm sure a lot of people haven't either..... i sent out a mass email and a my space bulletin... asking everyone to repost it..... thank you so much





good man. I like people who try to make changes even in the most subtle ways. Power of one my friend.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of toxic [Re: daytripper05]
    #6559743 - 02/12/07 08:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

dnkyd.. what the fuck did you do... ..... a lot of people can be reached threw that network.... i thought that maybe my friends would like to know that there is a power that is trying to kill all of us. but i guess i better not let them know because myspace is all to silly of a medium to tell them threw:thumbdown:


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #6559785 - 02/12/07 08:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yea fuck myspace, and fuck you for jumping on the bandwagon of some shit you know nothing about


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #6559788 - 02/12/07 08:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

*through

And 90% of the people your bulletin reaches won't give a shit. They'll read it and then go about their way customizing their profiles with the newest, gayest song or design theme.

What did I do? Not a damn thing.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of toxic [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #6559813 - 02/12/07 08:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Damn these people for imposing standards and regulations on the products we eat and consume.

All codex does is force natural products companies to meet toxicology standards. This is because nearly all things (even water) can become toxic at ultra high doses.

Has anyone thought of reading the actual document explaining what it is: http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp


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    #6559861 - 02/12/07 09:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i have like 25 people that will get that bulletin, and I guarantee you everyone of them will read it and appreciate it. you know nothing about me or my friends. i don't use myspace for social play... i use it as a tool to keep in contact with my friends from all over the country so that we can share info like this with eath other. how can you say anything about those people. I'm sorry i came at you with harsh words that was not cool of me, but seriously what you said was ignorant. you don't know me or my friends. i dont see how you can say that me letting like 25 of my friends know about somthing that is important to all of us is in anyway shape or form "gay"


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560045 - 02/12/07 09:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This is bullshit. Shame on you for posting this. :nono:


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    #6560147 - 02/12/07 10:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you have a link to where they claim that all animals must use growth hormones?





Mathis and Mayfield dairies were sued about 25 years ago because they refused to
use any hormones or unnecessary antibiotics to boost milk production. milk from
cows dosed with the shit tastes like it's near spoiling and usualy goes bad within
5 days of opening it... parmalat is one of those milks.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6560208 - 02/12/07 10:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So you are saying that all milk is made in this way? Therefore all milk is disgusting and goes bad within 5 days? I dont see that as the case at all


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6560236 - 02/12/07 10:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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This is bullshit. Shame on you for posting this. :nono:




Mmmhm. Where's your evidence it's bullshit?

Try doing some research.

http://ahha.org/codex.htm
http://ahha.org/CodexGuidelines.htm
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/health_movement_against_codex/index.htm#top
http://iahf.com/codx-fda.txt
http://www.amazon.com/Whose-Trade-Organization-Comprehensive-Second/dp/1565848411/sr=8-1/qid=1171337639/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-3055748-3911802?ie=UTF8&s=books
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Codex Alimentarius is Latin for "food code." Originating in 1962, it was formed by the United Nations to set global standards governing every aspect of food production, distribution and trade. However, it's starting to become an issue of some controversy. Supporters claim it is a benign and necessary set of guidelines that facilitate the goals of international trade. They say that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) is facilitated via this international "food code," because it sets trustworthy standards insuring the quality of food products we import and export.

However, there is a growing body of critics who believe that the Codex Alimentarius is over-stepping its mandate, and it actually threatens to dramatically reduce our health freedoms. Critics also charge that we, health-conscious consumers, will lose our ability to purchase many of the organic foods, nutritional supplements and herbs we take for granted today. They warn that the 60% of the world's population that depend upon herbal medicines will not be able to afford the pharmaceutical drugs that will replace them. The new laws requiring genetically modified crops, pesticides, hormones and antibiotics in foods will be cost-prohibitive to people living in developing nations, and that billions of people may die as a result of these policies. They say that the new guidelines are being influenced by large food, chemical, agricultural, and pharmaceutical companies who will profit from the changes.

In the United Stated our healthcare rights and freedoms are currently protected by a Federal law enacted in 1994 called Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA). DSHEA considers nutritional supplements and herbs to be foods and as such, there is no upper limit on dosages. This act protects our rights as consumers and guarantees the rights we currently have. As long as this Act remains in effect we probably don't have to worry much about regarding the restrictive nature of Codex Alimentarius.

What's the problem?

Critics of the current situation believe that there is a good chance that without consumer participation, the US Congress will adopt Codex Alimentarius for our import and export standards, and act to repeal or significantly weaken DSHEA. In fact there are several bills in Congress right now that attempt to weaken DSHEA. Why would they do this? Because the big winners are the large corporations that are able to meet the new standards and/or own patents protected and promoted by Codex Alimentarius. Critics say that these large companies are lobbying Congress for these changes, while assuring the public that nothing much is going to change and we shouldn't be alarmed.

The question is: Is this alarmist claim true? Some people do get worked up over nothing and there are charges of misinformation being made by both sides. Our assessment is that this situation is worth monitoring. It's certainly logical that if there were billions of dollars to be made by large corporations that they would have a vested position in the issue. Codex Alimentarius is published so we can see what it contains, and it's now being implemented in other countries so we can see what is changing there.

Who are you going to believe, me or your own two eyes?

Here are a few facts we received from Rima Laibow, MD:

  1. Codex Alimentarius requires that all meats, poultry, fish, fruit and vegetables must be irradiated by Dec. 31, 2009.
  2. Codex Alimentarius requires that all dairy cattle are to be given Monsanto bovine growth hormone by Dec. 31, 2009.
  3. Codex Alimentarius reclassifies vitamin and mineral supplements as toxins and dramatically limits their dosage and availability.
  4. Many nations have already harmonized their laws with Codex Alimentarius making it their de facto law. This has already been approved by the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and others.
  5. Codex Alimentarius allows significant trade sanctions to be levied against noncompliant nations.
  6. In 2005 there were five bills submitted to congress to weaken or eliminate DSHEA.

The teleseminar below is an interview with two highly qualified observers. They are well educated in the details of Codex Alimentarius, Western medicine, and the manipulation of public opinion. Check it out. Pass it along to your friends.

It was only through the awareness and actions of the American consumers that DSHEA was passed in 1994. We encourage you to read and listen to all you can about this topic and develop your own opinion.




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Constructed by the pharmaceutical industry, the Codex Alimentarius Commission is a self-proclaimed expert organization that has allied with the World Health Organization (WHO) and the World Food Organization (FAO). From the beginning, this was done with the intention of passing regulations and laws to protect the global pharmaceutical market.

Of the 30 committees using the title "Codex Alimentarius," those involved with food supplements and vitamins are of particular interest to the pharmaceutical industry. The central committee is the "Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses." A puppet of the pharmaceutical industry, this committee has only been concerned with one topic since the middle of the 1990's: how to prevent vitamins and other food supplements from causing the collapse of the markets for beta-blockers, calcium antagonists, cholesterol lowering products and other widely superfluous pharmaceutical preparations.

By far, Germany is the biggest exporter of these dubious pharmaceutical products and nowhere else in the world exists such a bond between the pharmaceutical industry and politics. Therefore it is no surprise that the Government of the German Federal Republic is in charge of this committee, benefiting the pharmaceutical cartel.

The aims of Codex Alimentarius are clearly defined: Statements on the curative effects of vitamins and other natural remedies will be banned and made a punishable offense. In the future, the distinction between a foodstuff and a medicine will be made by the pharmaceutical industry itself and not by governments.

Using this new legislative edict, the pharmaceutical industry will extend its own markets as it sees fit. At present, the pharmaceutical industry has succeeded in classifying 500 milligrams of vitamin C in pill form as a medication requiring a prescription in Germany. If the pharmaceutical industry had its way, 100 mg or even 50 mg of vitamin C would be classified as medication.

The pharmaceutical industry knows that most people have no understanding of these restrictions and has disguised them with legal jargon.

The strategic aims of "Codex Alimentarius"

  1. The distribution of health information concerning vitamins, amino acids, minerals and other natural products for the prevention and treatment of diseases will be banned globally.
  2. The sale of vitamins and other natural products which exceed the guidelines of this Codex commission (which are arbitrary and far too low) will be prohibited globally.
  3. Countries that fail to apply these laws will be punished by international economic sanctions.

To mask its actual intention of protecting the world market of superfluous pharmaceutical preparations, those responsible for Codex have invented exculpatory statements: Thus the next Codex Alimentarius conference will occur at the "Federal Office for Health-related Consumer Protection" in Berlin in November of 2002. In addition to the "consumer protection" from alleged "harmful side effects" of vitamins, a need for united international administration of the pharmaceutical industry was indicated.

The fact that the pharmaceutical industry believes that this disguised justification will be unacceptable is clearly evident since Codex plans to punish all those who oppose its plans with economic sanctions by the UN.

Our response: Talk to as many people as possible about these irresponsible plans and let the members of the Codex commission and their delegates know what you think.

http://innovativehealing.com/topics/codex/codex_1-14-06_1.mp3
http://innovativehealing.com/topics/codex/codex_1-14-06_2.mp3
http://innovativehealing.com/topics/codex/codex_1-14-06_3.mp3
http://innovativehealing.com/topics/codex/codex_1-14-06_4.mp3
http://innovativehealing.com/topics/codex/codex_1-14-06_5.mp3









But by all means, don't listen to me, listen to the hundreds of physicians, M.Ds, etc (i.e the expert) that actually CARE about the well-being of the populace, who are WELL INFORMED on the subject. My mom who is the head nurse of a major hospital is the one who brought this to my attention in the first place. But she doesn't have a vested interest in the pharmaceutical industry.

So yeah.. call me names for trying to inform people of a serious topic if you will, but there's more evidence out there that Codex is working for nefarious purposes than not.

Bottom line is, there is a SHITLOAD of information about this out there, but I'm not going to hand feed it to you.

But if someone has the info, I'd LOVE for you to SHOW me that ALL this is all bullshit, instead of just spouting some one-liner about how its bullshit. SORRY BUT THATS NOT CONVINCING :shrug:


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560266 - 02/12/07 10:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

goddamn dude..another good post.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: TheCow]
    #6560331 - 02/12/07 11:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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So you are saying that all milk is made in this way? Therefore all milk is disgusting and goes bad within 5 days? I dont see that as the case at all




No. As of right now we have the choice between milk with rBGH and milk that is just milk (even though some companies get away with selling unlabeled rBGH milk). But under Codex law, ALL milk would be treated and ALL cows would be given the hormones and antibiotics. There would be no choice. It would be the LAW.

That's just milk.

Also, vitamins/herbs etc, would be prescription based only, or illegal altogether.

And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

You think the war on drugs is stupid and illogical? You haven't seen shit yet. How about the war on health and nutrition?


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560375 - 02/12/07 11:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Keep in mind. Any research to validate these claims is paid for by Big Pharma so that eliminates all credibility.

Vitamins/herbs legally can't be admitted into the FDA. They say that "only a drug in inteded to treat disease"

natural substances cannot be patented. You can only patent a process or something that has been created. The FDA will not admit anything unless it has a patent.

I am not as familiar with CODEX as I am the FDA. But I can tell you one thing. They are both HUGE tools for Big Pharma.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: daytripper05]
    #6560400 - 02/12/07 11:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

you're not going to find these claims posted on the Codex website.. that would be pretty retarded of them. However, you can view a list of all the deadly pesticides that are allowed in your food as part of the "Official Standards" (It's a long list..). Yeah, Codex Alimentarius is concerned about public health my ass. They are concerned about the fucking industry ($$$$), not public health.

This is based on over 12,000 pages of written documents from Codex, much of which has slipped through congress. Studied by the professionals and broken down for us common folk.

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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560422 - 02/12/07 11:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

How can they make vitamins and minerals illegal when we can still get them from their natural sources? That would mean pretty much all food (especially fruits and veggies) would be prescription drugs? :lol:

They best not take calcium filled OJ off the market. :evil:


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #6560440 - 02/12/07 11:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You could still get them from natural sources.. but how many people do you know that grow their own food? They would essentially have total control of every piece of food that goes through a grocery store or major farm. And should the US become "Codex compliant", farmers that don't follow Codex standards would be put out of business.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560441 - 02/12/07 11:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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You control food, you control people, you control the world.




I'll add to this.

If you can control the chemicals going into food not only do you control the things that you mentioned.

But you also control the health. You can add toxins that have been proven to make people sick. In tern you make the natural substance prescription or illegal all together and the only choice is to take prescription medications...which also make you even more sick.

It's cruel world we are living in then the price of a dollar(or whatever currency) is worth more than the health of the nation/world.


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    #6560444 - 02/12/07 11:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly. That is the major reasoning behind all of this.
The pharmaceutical industry does not profit from people being healthy.
Herbs and vitamins are the enemy.
Pesticides, disease, poisons, and denatured and irradiated foods treated with growth hormones and other unnatural chemicals are your friend.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560472 - 02/12/07 11:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560496 - 02/12/07 11:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

hell yeah. it cracks me up how many people post shit that try to debunk this shit.

what are they afraid of? their government is lieing to them?

how you anyone logically say that 100% natural foods and vitamins/herbs/minerals are bad.

You can't listen to AMA approved doctors because they have only been educated in drugs and surgery. Nothing else. I have never been to a doctor that said I get rid of a illness without drugs.

hell I haven't take antibiotics in years. anytime I get a cough/cold/soar throat/anthing I increase the amount of vitamins and decrease synthetics chemicals/toxins.

I drink a shit load of vitamin c. whether it be grapefruit juice or orange juice.
I drink assloads of organic green tea. btw... green tea + honey is a the ultimate cure for a soar throat.

there are very simple easy and tasty things to do that will eliminate all need to take antibiotics.

In fact antibiotic kill all digestive enzymes in your body that help fight infection. it kills bad one too but it ALWAYS comes at a cost.

I never take prescription drugs and I am a lot healthier than people that do. That right there tells me something.


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    #6560530 - 02/12/07 11:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Amen brother. Fucking amen.

Modern medicine can do some amazing stuff (compared to the civil war, lol)
But I'm doing just fine without pharmies. And I haven't been to a doctor in many years.

Remind me again.. how many deaths are there per year directly due to people taking PRESCRIBED medicines? A fucking lot. I don't feel like looking up the number. But I knew two people PERSONALLY, that DIED due to medicine they were PRESCRIBED.

My uncle's late girlfriend had carpal tunnel syndrome. She had a basic surgery on her wrist, the doctor fucked something up with her nerves during the surgery and she developed a VERY serious condition (can't remember what it was called).. that effected her nerves all over the left side of her body, and her lungs. She could barely walk and move her arms after, and she had to be put on a oxygen respirator. She was on a plethora of prescibed medicine, and died in her sleep because of it (at the age of 32).


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560617 - 02/12/07 11:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

first off, your argument imho is very skewed. The govt already regulates most of the shit we consume. So this is not new to anybody. What is new is the TOTAL forced compliance.

you cant get European type cheeses here, the beer can only be so strong, and so on, and so forth.

The vitamin aspect seems weak too. Some countries dont consider vitamins 'food' so the real problem seems to be the ambitiousness of the topic.

Pesticides on food? Well dont you think there are already limits set by the FDA? There is a certain amount of black fly wings and other body parts allowed in black pepper. The gov't already regulates all kinds of crazy shit, and arguing against it here dilutes your point.

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    #6560736 - 02/13/07 12:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Pesticides on food? Well dont you think there are already limits set by the FDA?





Obsolutely not.

This is going sound like a conspiracy theory but I will say it anyway. This is based on
information that I read surrounding the FDA.

It is my personal belief that the FDA would allow anything that will make you more sick
Not intentionally. But they suck the dick of Big Pharma and eat up all the "science"
surrounding these claims. The science is paid for by Big Pharma. Why would they
fund a study that doesn't go in their favor. ANYONE that is smart enough can prove
whatever they want with "science" on paper. They caan and in some cases straight up lie.

The FDA and people of congress...both dem and rep....take multi million dollar hand outs
to keep quite about the truth. WHY does the FTC(Federal Trade Commission) censor what
people say about natural cures. The drug companies make whatever claims they want.
There are legitimate doctors that get sued by telling their patience natural substances
can cure their disease. It all come down to money. FDA gets millions and so does congress.

I have used this example many times before. In the 50's Big Tobacco has the best
scientists "proving" cigarettes didn't cause cancer. They knew for years that it did. But
now it is common knowledge cigarettes are the #1 cause of preventable death in the country.

#2 is obesity. Both things drug companies make BILLIONS off of. Cancer business is the
#1 more profitable medical field ever. 80% of all cancer treatments are profit. You get
chemo then you get drugs to combat the side effects of chemo. Then you get more
drugs to combat the side effects of the drugs treating the chemo side effects.

But like shroom said above. There have been major breakthroughs in the medical industry.
In emergency situations like your about to die and car crashed and any other emergency
modern medicine saves lives. There have been breakthroughs in sugery and anatomy...ect..ect..

But there has not been 1 single study to prove that natural substances can cure disease. Not 1.

Why? Because you can't patent them. There isn't a billion dollar business for doctors
to prescribe oranges and grapefruits instead of antibiotics.

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    #6560908 - 02/13/07 12:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I am willing to go ahead and say that in two years our food supply will not be controlled like this. In fact, I'd be willing to bet money on it. Large amounts of money.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Tamadragon]
    #6560928 - 02/13/07 12:57 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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go organic. no chemicals




Not neccessarily. The standards for most organic food is extremely low. In the US, organics are allowed to have a certain amount of pesticides used on them, and even some organic farms use growth hormones and antibiotics.

And Redstorm.. this isn't a bet.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560935 - 02/13/07 12:58 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

doesn't that defeat the purpose of organic?


i think this year I am going to start a big ass garden and actually use my pressure cooker for what it was designed for...canning.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: daytripper05]
    #6560942 - 02/13/07 01:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

yeah it sort of does.. but like I said the standards are already low. Organic farms can get by with labelling their food as "organic", as long as the pesticides, chemicals, etc used are below a certain number. Your best bet is getting it from a trustworthy organic source or growing it yourself.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560943 - 02/13/07 01:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It's also not going to happen.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560950 - 02/13/07 01:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That's the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. No one's heard of it, but it's going to take over the world! Look out.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Redstorm]
    #6560952 - 02/13/07 01:02 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, thanks to the work of people like Rima E. Laibow.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Brugman]
    #6560957 - 02/13/07 01:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

it doesn't mean it's not true though. this is a very serious issue. and you should be looking out. it's your health at risk.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560967 - 02/13/07 01:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

From everything I've read about it, 99% or so of vitamins and supplements will be entirely unaffected by this.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560973 - 02/13/07 01:05 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Are they going to make every organic farm in the country stop producing of force them to use chemicals and pesticides?

Don't you think that might cause a little scene?

Do you guys understand how huge the health food market is and how volcal people are here?

Tell me Whole Foods is going to close up shop in 2009.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Redstorm]
    #6560975 - 02/13/07 01:06 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Someone take this guys bet.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6560985 - 02/13/07 01:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

They're too busy stockpiling food and supplements to be able to afford a bet.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6560998 - 02/13/07 01:10 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Here are the books that came up on Amazon for Rima E. Laibow.

[http://www.amazon.com/s/103-3195405-6597431?ie=UTF8&tag=mozilla-20&index=blended&link%5Fcode=qs&field-keywords=Rima%20E.%20Laibow&sourceid=Mozilla-search


Here is how it works:

You hype up some conspiracy, skew the evidence, and sell your books.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6561028 - 02/13/07 01:16 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

uh, those aren't her books. Did you bother to look at the authors?
They just have references to her, as she is a respected physician..


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6561030 - 02/13/07 01:16 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

all I saw was shit about aliens


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6561033 - 02/13/07 01:16 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Why the hell is this pinned?


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6561049 - 02/13/07 01:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't say they were her books.

I think it's interesting to see the types of books that reference her though.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Gijith]
    #6561053 - 02/13/07 01:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The man with power contorls what we see.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Gijith]
    #6561092 - 02/13/07 01:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Why the hell is this pinned?




that is a damn fine question.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6561097 - 02/13/07 01:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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The man with power contorls what we see.




now whos big brother?



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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #6561104 - 02/13/07 01:30 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Don't worry, Shroomism is on the side of good, not evil, he knows what we should read.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6561110 - 02/13/07 01:30 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Just like codex controls what you eat.

Read.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/journals/lawreview/issues/vol81/no2/NYU205.pdf


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: DNKYD]
    #6561123 - 02/13/07 01:35 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Oh well thank god we've got a Myspace bulletin going around now :rolleyes:

"Repost this or CODEX will ruin your love life for 10 years!!!"




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*through

And 90% of the people your bulletin reaches won't give a shit. They'll read it and then go about their way customizing their profiles with the newest, gayest song or design theme.

What did I do? Not a damn thing.




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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6561149 - 02/13/07 01:40 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'm halfway into that NYU article, and I still haven't seen anything that states they control what you eat. Also, it hasn't stated anything about it being controlled by corporations. Maybe you should link to an article by a less reputable source that backs up your ideas better.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Redstorm]
    #6561161 - 02/13/07 01:41 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I'm sure that's gonna fucken happen

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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6561167 - 02/13/07 01:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Go ahead and get on a soap box and save everyone if you can.

That's you intention right?, to help save the world?

I don't give a flying fuck, I'm going to have a farm and happily feed myself until they drop the bombs.

Human lives aren't that important.

I'm all for CODEX, H-bombs, and the new stone age, stop trying to fuck it up.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6561182 - 02/13/07 01:45 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Bill Hicks is going to always be cooler then you I suppose...


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Under_the_Stars]
    #6561192 - 02/13/07 01:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I could probably give him a run for his money since he's dead.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6561236 - 02/13/07 01:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Go ahead and get on a soap box and save everyone if you can.

That's you intention right?, to help save the world?

I don't give a flying fuck, I'm going to have a farm and happily feed myself until they drop the bombs.

Human lives aren't that important.

I'm all for CODEX, H-bombs, and the new stone age, stop trying to fuck it up.




While part of me agrees with your cynical sentiments here.. nah.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #6561253 - 02/13/07 01:59 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

No sir!


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6561259 - 02/13/07 02:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This CODEX is an invention of the U.N. Let's consider the track record of U.S. compliance with U.N. policies. It doesn't happen unless it's convenient for us. And because of consumer demand, it's not convenient for us. And I still haven't seen any evidence for the mandated use of BGH, antibiotics and irradiation. Even if that was part of the policy, the U.S. is not going to comply with something the UN cooks up unless it wants to. And that's a good thing. Fuck the UN.

That being said, the battle for preserving the general quality and integrity of food and life on the planet is basically already lost. The GM seed is already out there on the winds. The collapse may not have happened yet, but who knows what a couple decades or centuries could bring. And don't say that genetic modification of crops has been done since humanity started farming because cross pollenating two kinds of corn is a whole hell of a lot different than inserting jellyfish DNA into tomatoes or tweaking rice genes to produce human liver enzymes.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Viveka]
    #6561267 - 02/13/07 02:02 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I agree. But doesn't mean it couldn't get worse


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6562032 - 02/13/07 09:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i would like to know what you think the motivation is.... why would a well respected M.D. just stick there neck out. get up in front of people and spit lies. lies that could be easily disproved. easy enough to disprove that all of you have done it in 30 seconds. why would anyone do that. why would they get a team of five lawyers on there side all working for free. why!!! are you saying you understand what is going on with the laws better than a lawyer... a lawyer that is not getting paid mind you... there is absolutely no motivation for these professionals to risk there credibility and there careers for lies. there is tons of motivation how ever for codex to do so.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: lsd25icu812]
    #6562092 - 02/13/07 10:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So there's no motivation for the Director of the "Natural Solutions Foundation" to go against Codex? give me a break.

It's about interpretation.

Codex calls for standards and toxicological testing. It says that when you market a "vitamin" or "mineral" it must be objectively shown that said vitamin or mineral actually has what it says. In addition, it must be proven that taking 10,000 mg a day of super-concentrated "eye of newt" will not be harmful. If these standards and demands cannot be met, a company cannot market the product.

Thus, codex is not "banning" or "making illegal" vitamins and minerals. It just says, if you can't show the testing, you can't market it. If you are a natural herb marketer you scream: "The testing is too expensive, they are BANNING my herb", when in fact, they are not.

If you bothered to look on the codex website, you can see that codex will make standard the MAXIMUM amount of homrone contained in any meat. Other than seeing the quote: "Codex will make hormone replacement a REQUIREMENT" posted over and over from websites selling vitamins, I don't see where this is coming from.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: badchad]
    #6562590 - 02/13/07 01:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Cowgold]
    #6563547 - 02/13/07 06:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Threads like this is what makes drug message boards lose their credibility and increase the penalties for drug crimes.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Shroomism]
    #6563564 - 02/13/07 06:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Exactly. That is the major reasoning behind all of this.
The pharmaceutical industry does not profit from people being healthy.
Herbs and vitamins are the enemy.
Pesticides, disease, poisons, and denatured and irradiated foods treated with growth hormones and other unnatural chemicals are your friend.





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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: badchad]
    #6563605 - 02/13/07 06:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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So there's no motivation for the Director of the "Natural Solutions Foundation" to go against Codex? give me a break.

It's about interpretation.

Codex calls for standards and toxicological testing. It says that when you market a "vitamin" or "mineral" it must be objectively shown that said vitamin or mineral actually has what it says. In addition, it must be proven that taking 10,000 mg a day of super-concentrated "eye of newt" will not be harmful. If these standards and demands cannot be met, a company cannot market the product.

Thus, codex is not "banning" or "making illegal" vitamins and minerals. It just says, if you can't show the testing, you can't market it. If you are a natural herb marketer you scream: "The testing is too expensive, they are BANNING my herb", when in fact, they are not.

If you bothered to look on the codex website, you can see that codex will make standard the MAXIMUM amount of homrone contained in any meat. Other than seeing the quote: "Codex will make hormone replacement a REQUIREMENT" posted over and over from websites selling vitamins, I don't see where this is coming from.





The Natural Solutions Foundation website is a scam website that cheats the gullible fools out of their money.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: Luddite]
    #6563886 - 02/13/07 08:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe certain websites are a scam.

But natural medicines in general have been around far longer than any pharmaceutical.

I think I will take my chances with scams. Common sense + not talking prescription drugs can go a long way.


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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: daytripper05]
    #10569962 - 06/25/09 12:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Fucking hell. Thanks to the other Codex thread, this one has come up. Shroomism, thankyou for spelling it out.

Ugh, no matter what way you look at this, this is bad news. It's extreme prohibition.

Things have changed in the last two years, and I for one hope this crashes and burns. I'd like to see those responsible for such tyranny tarred and feathered, but more importantly than that, I want the UN and the EU and every other parasitic tax sucking organisation to leave me the fuck alone.

If I think eating deadly nightshade is a good idea, then you're not going to stop me. Likewise if I think eating hash and oranges is a good idea, you're not going to stop me.


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    #11575571 - 12/03/09 10:59 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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    #11575644 - 12/03/09 11:20 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing says 'I'me a trustworthy source of unbiased information' Like starting out a lecture by saying "let me help you understand the enemy".:chew:


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    #11575648 - 12/03/09 11:21 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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    #11575662 - 12/03/09 11:26 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like you're balls deep in happiness.



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Re: STOP CODEX ALIMENTARIUS - The criminalization of vitamins and minerals, and proliferation of tox [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11576018 - 12/03/09 12:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Are vitamins illegal yet?


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