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Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population?
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Rima E. Laibow, M.D. on Codex:


"We Become Silent" - Documentary on Codex:


CNN claiming vitamins are unhealthy:


Official Codex Alimentarius website:
http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

Natural Solutions Foundation opposing Codex Alimentarius:
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/




I found out about all this just last week.

I've had dreams about this sort of thing for a couple months now and when I discovered that it actually exists, I flipped the fuck out.

I'm going to start stocking up on vitamins. :tinfoil:


What say all of you?

Edited by Mr. Cordoza (07/03/08 01:16 AM)

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
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Link with information summarizing what most of the first two videos talk about:

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php?page_id=155


But basically, when Codex Alimentarius goes into implementation on December 31st, 2009, the two effects of most concern are:

1) All commercial food products will be genetically modified (by law under Codex) to remove virtually all vitamins and nutrients from them, meaning food will no longer be a viable source of nutrition.

2) Under the Codex's Vitamin and Minerals Guideline, vitamins and supplements will be restricted to ridiculously ineffective levels.


Which means that under Codex Alimentarius, the majority of the world will either starve to death or die of chronic illness that would otherwise have been preventable with proper nutrition.



I really kind of hope this is a hoax or just another conspiracy or something. :confused:

Edited by Mr. Cordoza (07/03/08 01:46 AM)

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
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That's stupid as all holy balls.

slap a snazzy name on a conspiracy theory,and the hippies go wild.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: CaptainH13]
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CaptainH13 said:
That's stupid as all holy balls.

slap a snazzy name on a conspiracy theory,and the hippies go wild.


What's stupid about it?  Do elaborate!

The plan itself is called Codex Alimentarius, by the government.  It's latin for "food code."  It's not some fancy name given to it by all the conspiracy theorists.  Check out the website.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
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Mr. Cordoza said:
CaptainH13 said:
That's stupid as all holy balls.

slap a snazzy name on a conspiracy theory,and the hippies go wild.


What's stupid about it?  Do elaborate!


Do you really have to ask??  What's stupid about the idea that next year all of our food will be genetically modified by law to remove nutrients?  Oh, sorry, my mistake, that's a perfectly tenable proposal :rolleyes:


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
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Wow, way to take a boring committee meeting and blow it way out of proportion. The CA is simply trying to raise the quality standards of vitamins & dietary supplements. At the moment there's very poor standards and they vary a huge amount around the world, making it very difficult to import dietary supplements. And because there's a lack of oversight regarding their manufacture, the doses vary a LOT meaning that you don't always get what you pay for. (and in the case of Pan, Australia's largest producer of such things, people got very sick due to terrible manufacturing control). I think it's about time our vitamins & supplement manufacturers got their act together.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: zouden]
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We need a new heroin that doesnt require injections.  Wheres the CIA when you need them.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Irishdrunk]
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lol break out the tinfoil hats!

Propaganda is abound here.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
Mr. Cordoza said:
CaptainH13 said:
That's stupid as all holy balls.

slap a snazzy name on a conspiracy theory,and the hippies go wild.


What's stupid about it?  Do elaborate!


Do you really have to ask??  What's stupid about the idea that next year all of our food will be genetically modified by law to remove nutrients?  Oh, sorry, my mistake, that's a perfectly tenable proposal :rolleyes:



lol seriously.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Innominate]
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Has anybody actually looked at the official government website on it yet?  :crankey:

I mean it's all right there if you read all the fine print and shit, in a big .pdf document.


Seriously though, yeah it sounds ridiculous but that doesn't mean it can't possibly happen.

At least provide something to disprove it instead of a "sounds dumb no way lulz."


Like really, because I don't want to have to be spending money every paycheck for the next year and a half stocking up on vitamins and shit if this is all just blown out of proportion.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
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I'm sticking by my "sounds dumb, no way, lolz."  If you want to waste some time out of your life digging through the facts to see exactly what those youtube videos are misrepresenting, that's your prerogative.  If you want to belive any crazy hippy bullshit conspiracy theory, that's fine too (though couldn't you at least pick one of the half-way plausible ones?)

Personally I find that keeping my wits about me, and keeping my new Sony Hippy-Bullshit-Detector ($12.99 from RadioShack) on the "Ultimate Truth Sieve" setting helps sort these things out.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
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It's hard to disprove something that there is no solid evidence for to begin with. Yes, this group seeks to subject supplements to various regulations and standards -- But please show us in their official documentation where it says they plan to kill off the world by removing nutrients from food?

Secondly, assuming this 'plan' is put into action, how do they propose to regulate the food coming off of small farms in rural areas? Do they plan to 'remove the nutrients' from the local deer herd? The lake? Food is everywhere if you know how to take it, and everywhere is pretty darn big.

To overcome that problem would require a massive mobilization of people with 'un-nutrition guns'. You telling us EVERY ONE of them keeps their mouth shut about this? The world will find out why they're all starving. And pissing off the 95% of the world who was kept in the dark about this can only lead to good, happy, non-revolting masses. Right?

So A.) The idea is patently ridiculous, B.) Implementation details? Sketchy. And C.) The world would overthrow the governments if it came to it...

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Allak]
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Sounds cool.  Means "food book" in latin.  Oh noes.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
What's stupid about the idea that next year all of our food will be genetically modified by law to remove nutrients?



by law? maybe not, by Monsanto/ConAgra, certainly, check to see
what food patents they hold, I was given some cracked corn for
my livestock, the chickens and goats wouldnt touch it, I gave
them some that came from a known source and they had no problem
eating it, a bee keeper near me has a problem with his bees
collecting pollen from a field he leases to, modified foods


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Monsanto isnt something that should be taken lightly, but you know us crackpot conspiracy theorists.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Jack Albertson]
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patented seeds that wont allow reproduction that way you keep your
market share and increase it every year, if I grow their corn I
cant harvest the seeds and plant them for the next year, they're
sterile, since man has shown he's not the brightest with regards
to what he consumes I'll listen to the bees and the chickens


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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This is super stupid of the governement


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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of course. We're slowly losing touch of our animal instincts but at the same time, we are more primal than ever.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Monsanto's kinda scary but it's not like they're trying to take over the world or anything.  They just want what any corporation wants: more profits.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
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I don't think this is "just a conspiracy."

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: MOTH]
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christ, looks like i need to buy some stock in reynolds.  Tin foil sales are going to go through the roof soon....


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i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug*

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: coda]
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So the govement is going to spend billions of dollars on genetically taking out all the nutrients of all foods when they could more easily just not feed people?


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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It's an international conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
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Let's see some proof from the official page showing that nutrients are going to be removed from food,

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: koppie]
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Well, duh.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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Penguarky Tunguin said:
So the govement is going to spend billions of dollars on genetically taking out all the nutrients of all foods when they could more easily just not feed people?



government doesnt feed the people now, they also dont have to
spend a dime of the money, all they have to do is turn a blind
eye while monsanto distributes seed. seed that produce plants
capable of resisting the effects of their herbicides, food crops
they currently have developed are soy, corn, sorghum and canola
and they're workiing on wheat

not bad for a chemical company suddenly switched to biotech, as
a chemical company they developed the hydrogenation process fo
vegetable oils that doctors are giving warning about, they've
also developed the artificial sweeteners used in soft drinks and
diet sweets, they are the creators of roundup the 'non-toxic'
weed killer

you should do a little reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup

Quote:
In June 2007, Monsanto acquired Delta & Pine Land Company, a company that had been involved with a seed technology nicknamed "Terminator", which produces plants that produce sterile seed to prevent farmers from replanting their crop's seed, rather than purchasing the seed from Monsanto for every planting. In recent years, widespread opposition from environmental organizations and farmer associations has grown, mainly out of the concerns that these seeds increase farmers' dependency on seed suppliers (having to buy these each year for seeding new crops). However, Monsanto had publicly pledged not to commercialise terminator technology.


why would they go through all the R&D if they arent going
to sell the seed, it simply doesnt make any sense

Quote:
Throughout 2004 and 2005, Monsanto filed lawsuits against many farmers in Canada and the U.S. The lawsuits have been on the grounds of patent infringement, specifically the farmer's sale of seed containing Monsanto's patented genes–which require the farmer initial purchase of the seed and its technology–unknowingly sown by wind carrying the seeds from neighboring crops.



Quote:
Former Monsanto employees currently hold positions in US government agencies such as the FDA and EPA and even the Supreme Court. These include Clarence Thomas, Michael Taylor, Ann Veneman and Linda Fisher.[citation needed] Linda Fisher has even been back and forth between positions at Monsanto and the EPA.


or maybe it does make sense

"Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is FDA's job." - Phil Angell, Monsanto director of corporate communications


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
Monsanto's kinda scary but it's not like they're trying to take over the world or anything.  They just want what any corporation wants: more profits.

It's not about money, it's about dangerous science and control


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
and control


A sick population is easy to control.  How to make people sick?  Fuck around with what they're eating.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'm sorry, how did we go from talking about Codex Alimentarius to Monsanto? Or did you just want to bring them up?


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: MOTH]
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Of course. It's obvious, with the growing percentages of children born with autism and various allergies. When i was a kid a had terrible allergies all the way up until a few years ago when i stopped eating garbage and started drinking water religiously. I also noticed a huge difference when i stopped consuming corn syrup.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: zouden]
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zouden said:
I'm sorry, how did we go from talking about Codex Alimentarius to Monsanto? Or did you just want to bring them up?



things just kind of tie together when you stop looking at the pretty flowers, how is the government going to strip food of nutrition? they arent the farmer, the cant order the farmer to do it, he simply doesnt have the means or the will, so where would the government go to help achieve the agenda

who supplies 90%+ of the soybean market to the US farmers?
who has sued dairy  farmers for not using rBGH
who is suing dairy farmers for advertizing milk as being rBGH and rBST free
who has sued farmers for the sale of seed with genetic modification regardless of whether polen can be carried on the wind or by insects
Who has somethng to gain by encouraging local government to spray 'safe' herbicides to kill invasive weeds
who sells herbicide resistant seed for food crops

again... do a bit of reading, draw your own conclusions


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Let's see what happens when people start dying. If anyone DIDN'T see this coming, then they obviously have no grasp of the dangers of a large subordinate population to an elite few.

This isn't conspiracy theory at all, this is common sense in a western mindset. Soon to be eastern mindset. Thanks for selling out, China :rolleyes:




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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: numonkei]
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numonkei said:
Let's see what happens when people start dying.


From my perspective, it looks like people are ALREADY dying.  I see sick people everywhere, rendered lifeless by the toxic food they consume.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: numonkei]
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Just because it could happen doesn't mean it is. That sort of outlandish claim involves having proof.

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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Yes, I agree, Monsantos practices appear to be highly unethical.  I think they should be sanctioned in some fashion... even with bio/pharma having such a large lobby, it seems like some of their practices must be in violation of FDA guidelines (or possibly even the Geneva Convention).

But is the scenario of all the nutrients being genetically removed from food feasible?  No.  When I read the first post all I could envision was the "precious bodily fluids" bit of Dr. Strangelove.

Even if we accept the hypothesis that this is their goal, it simply isn't possible.  You know what happens to us if we lack vitamins in our body; we get sick and die.  That's the whole hypothesis behind the plan, right?

Well plants are the same way.  Even if you were able to engineer a plant that was unable to take up or synthesize these vital nutrients, those plants would die.  Maybe not every one, but a good majority.  They're called vitamins for a reason.

Yes, GMOs are a potential problem.  But the idea they're going sap our precious bodily fluids of nutrients is silly.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: MOTH]
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MOTH said:
rendered lifeless by the toxic food they consume.



cancer is on the rise, many explanations, foods being one of them,
then lets look at things like chrons disease, it used to just
affect jews, that may have been because of a kosher diet, now it's
affecting the 'gentiles' and they dont all eat kosher


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Does Monsanto get research money from the govment?


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
their practices must be in violation of FDA guidelines


consider the fact that 70% of the organic food market is
comprised of 4 corporations, Monsanto, Cargill, ConAgra and HJ
Heinz, these same 4 companies have ensured that GMO seed can be
used in organic production, that 5% of the total materials
applied to crops can be synthetic in nature, this by FDA  approval





Quote:
You know what happens to us if we lack vitamins in our body; we get sick and die.


maybe it's not to actually kill us but to increase our
dependency on their products, more supplements for increased
sales, maybe we just stay sick, we increase our visits to
doctors who in turn hand out more prescriptions and the
pharmaceutical companies have to do more business with the
chemical companies further bootsing profits, monsanto still
holds a good market share in chemicals through acquisitions,
mergers and affiliations 

Quote:
Well plants are the same way.  Even if you were able to engineer a plant that was unable to take up or synthesize these vital nutrients, those plants would die.


we can engeneer plants for sterile seeds, we can make more
bountiful harvests, herbicide restance, pest resistance, who say
they havent or arent developing plants that are capable of
producing with less nutrition, if the uptake is reduced the
vitamins in the final product is as well

with many of the current practices in agrculture, the use of
anhydrous ammonia and ammonium nitrate  the soil is already
being stripped of a few very important nutrients as well as
carbon, while the only thing being returned is nitrogen
our food has already lost some of it's nutritional value


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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Penguarky Tunguin said:
Does Monsanto get research money from the govment?


yes... in fact the sterile seed program is in part funded by the
government but at the same time they also award grants to other
for research and have the option on first bid to buy what ever is
developed


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Allak]
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Allak said:
The world will find out why they're all starving. And pissing off the 95% of the world who was kept in the dark about this can only lead to good, happy, non-revolting masses. Right?

So A.) The idea is patently ridiculous, B.) Implementation details? Sketchy. And C.) The world would overthrow the governments if it came to it...


Would they really?  Look at America, where most of the population is overweight, if not obese.  There's no uprising there to increase food quality.
Look at how many people have diabetes, or cancer, or bad allergies.  No uprising so far.
1 in 3 Americans die of cancer?  How the fuck did that happen?
Its a fact that fluoride, which does little to prevent tooth decay, but was put in the drinking water at concentration camps by the Germans to make the Jews more docile, is in our water all over the country.
I see no riots.
You feed people crap, tell them that its healthy, and if theres no one around to disprove you, then they're going to believe its healthy food.  Especially when everyone who's saying otherwise is denounced as a crackpot, then most people will follow the herd and think that its just a conspiracy theory.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
zouden said:
I'm sorry, how did we go from talking about Codex Alimentarius to Monsanto? Or did you just want to bring them up?


things just kind of tie together when you stop looking at the pretty flowers, how is the government going to strip food of nutrition? they arent the farmer, the cant order the farmer to do it, he simply doesnt have the means or the will, so where would the government go to help achieve the agenda


Okay, I guess, but you're begging the question there because your first premise hasn't been proven.

Prisoner#1 said:
cancer is on the rise, many explanations, foods being one of them


Cancer isn't on the rise. It's decreasing.

I'm sorry, but this whole thread seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill. I suppose if you look for conspiracies you can 'find' them anywhere but you'd be much better off expending your energy on some real issues, like old buildings in your neighbourhood that are potentially contaminated with asbestos yet isn't marked as such by an incompetent local government. You know, threats that are real.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: zouden]
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zouden said:
Prisoner#1 said:
cancer is on the rise, many explanations, foods being one of them


Cancer isn't on the rise. It's decreasing.


Journal of Oncology Practice and the World Health Organization disagree with your claim, you're just being contrary
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2003/pr27/en/

a great deal of the modified seed is sold in 3rd world nations,
in india the seeds are responsible for suicide increase among
farmers... google it


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I'm sorry, but this whole thread seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill.


where exactly do you see a molehill, I see a government approved
corporate monopoly forming, a system where one has to buy seed
from a certain company annually, a system where spraying
herbicide is becoming common practice, where lawsuits are being
filed agains companies that dont wish to use a product that
could well be linked to cancer and the litigant is winning.
I also see the mandatory tracking of livestock being put into
place... you see a molehill because you buy your food at a
market, I see a mountain because I grow your food
personally, I could give a shit if the rest of the world dies
off, I have clean water and wholesome food, I'm in good shape


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I suppose if you look for conspiracies you can 'find' them anywhere


yep and for each one uncovered that are legit, there's a hundred
people talking about tin foil hats, so what's a man to do, I'll
share what I know, you dont wanna listen, doesnt make a damn to
me, but what happens if this conspiracy turns out to be somewhat
true, if the food supply is being depleted of nutrients and you
suddenly decide you want mine... you think I'm gonna share?
I'd be obligated by law not to let you eat


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you'd be much better off expending your energy on some real issues, like old buildings in your neighbourhood that are potentially contaminated with asbestos yet isn't marked as such by an incompetent local government. You know, threats that are real.


I'm breaking out my tin foil hat

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#  Who is at risk for an asbestos-related disease?

Everyone is exposed to asbestos at some time during their life. Low levels of asbestos are present in the air, water, and soil. However, most people do not become ill from their exposure. People who become ill from asbestos are usually those who are exposed to it on a regular basis, most often in a job where they work directly with the material or through substantial environmental contact.



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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
zouden said:
Prisoner#1 said:
cancer is on the rise, many explanations, foods being one of them


Cancer isn't on the rise. It's decreasing.


Journal of Oncology Practice and the World Health Organization disagree with your claim, you're just being contrary
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2003/pr27/en/



That's a good article. It paints a picture of a world where the cancer burden is shifting to the third world. Improvements to diet and reduction in smoking is lowering the incidence rate, and advances in treatment is increasing the survival rate. It's quite amazing that by removing the traditional salted meat & fish from the European diet they've had such a great reduction in stomach cancer!
I'll refine my original statement. Cancer is declining in the western world, but increasing in the third world. There's obviously a lot more work to be done.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: zouden]
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Bring it all back on-topic:

1. Can anyone find any evidence that the CA are going to reduce the nutrients in our food and supplements?
2. Can anyone find a good, plausible reason why they'd want to do that?


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
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CNN claiming vitamins are unhealthy:



You need to pay closer attention.. the report is about overdose on said vitamins.  Go to the store and notice that many vitamin specific pills are ~15X the daily dose per tab.

When I see major agricultural corporations aggressively pushing their genetically modified and sterile products on farmers, increased use of un-vetted pesticides and herbicides, and the proliferation of these practices into the third world..  I see greed, not conspiracy. 

In the end, when I think about the state of humanity, it is impossible to reconcile our behavior against nature's absolute and unquestionable dominance over us.  There is no way that 15 billion people can live on Earth, as is projected by 2100.  At some point over the course of the next 100 years billions of people are going to die.  This is inevitable.  Count on this plague coming from India or China, where high densities of people live in direct proximity to high densities of livestock.  That proximity is a virtual Eden to new forms of avian flu making the leap to human-human communicability.  H5N1 was 50% lethal to humans and it evolved in exactly this fashion.  Enjoy the party now, because we are doomed.

You are the enemy.  You drive everywhere.  You heat your home.  You cool your home.  You buy plastics by the pound, daily.  You eat and drink out of plastics.  You eat bought meat.  You shower every day.  You shelter yourself from the elements.  You cover yourself in chemicals for vanity.  You buy food from the machine.  You are an obsessive consumer.  You are as separated from the natural conditions of life as an astronaut is separated from the earth's atmosphere.  In the last 300 years humanity has taken one giant step away from nature and the bulk of life on Earth, and you can be assured that the simple human body is not capable of adapting that fast.

It is simple evolution.  The fittest will survive.  Have you outfitted yourself?



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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: DragonChaser]
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I really think some of you are looking at a bunch of facts and stringing together an unfounded web of intent that just doesn't exist.  The American government isn't trying to make us sick so we're easier to control.  That's just stupid.  The decline in food quality is just another example of the growth of capitalism.  It sucks, and it's an example of the disgusting side of human nature.  But it isn't driven by any ill intent; as a matter of fact I think the reality that it's just a natural progression of human civilization is even more terrifying.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
I really think some of you are looking at a bunch of facts and stringing together an unfounded web of intent that just doesn't exist.  The American government isn't trying to make us sick so we're easier to control.  That's just stupid.  The decline in food quality is just another example of the growth of capitalism.  It sucks, and it's an example of the disgusting side of human nature.  But it isn't driven by any ill intent; as a matter of fact I think the reality that it's just a natural progression of human civilization is even more terrifying.


Quoted for truth.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: zouden]
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zouden said:
Cancer is declining in the western world, but increasing in the third world. There's obviously a lot more work to be done.



I guess what you're saying is that access to medicine is what
the world needs, westernized medicine, the same medicines
developed by companies like Upjohn, the subsidiary of Monsanto
yeah, it all makes perfect sense


I guess japan being a far eastern country wouldnt make it part
of the westernized world, I wonder why there's an increase in a
country that has medicine that rivals that of the westernized
nations... in fact Brittan claims the incidents of cancer are up
but so are the survival rates, maybe your illusion of cancer is
on the decrease is with death by cancer or you're citing the
momentary slump


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4490271.stm
One example is bowel cancer which used to be extremely rare in Japan. But as the Japanese increasingly eat a westernised diet, rates of the cancer increase.


but again, the westernized world doesnt have to worry about it

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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/03/20/cancer-rates.aspx
Six Reasons Why Cancer Rates Among Teens are on the Rise
By Dr. Joseph Mercola
    with Rachael Droege

Cancer is now the leading cause of death among teens and young adults after accidents in England. Among this 13 to 24-year-old age group, cancer rates have been increasing at a rate of 1.2 percent per year for the past two decades. The researchers mention genetic factors, lifestyle changes and exposure to toxins before birth as possible causes for the increase, but there are many more possibilities for the steady increase.


sure it's america, but they're asians

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_1_1x_Breast_Cancer_Rates_On_The_Rise_Among_Asian_Americans.asp


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
The decline in food quality is just another example of the growth of capitalism. But it isn't driven by any ill intent


it's driven by profits and aided by the lack of accountability at the cost of our health


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
I really think some of you are looking at a bunch of facts and stringing together an unfounded web of intent that just doesn't exist.  The American government isn't trying to make us sick so we're easier to control.  That's just stupid.  The decline in food quality is just another example of the growth of capitalism.  It sucks, and it's an example of the disgusting side of human nature.  But it isn't driven by any ill intent; as a matter of fact I think the reality that it's just a natural progression of human civilization is even more terrifying.

That's just stupid


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
That's just stupid


It's more likely that there's a conspiracy as apposed to just good ol fashioned bullshit?  Explain.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: g00ru]
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I dont really understand how you could be aware and living in todays world and not be a conspiracy theorist. There's so much evidence backing a lot of the so called conspiracies, but it's not even necessary b/c those in power depend on ignorance. They know the majority of the population isnt hip to what's really happening, and that makes it much more simple. With systemic ignorance and rampant propaganda they are winning the fight for the human body and mind. I personally feel as if it's my duty to protect the two things you actually have control of, because in the not so distant future that control will be lost.


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
It's more likely that there's a conspiracy as apposed to just good ol fashioned bullshit?  Explain.


micro chips in animals to track them, even for the small farmer,
no one is exempt if any of the meat will be taken off the farm
or the animal auctioned off, it puts everyone in the chain of
custody of the animal in liability if there's a problem like a
recall for tainted meat, the meat wasnt the breeders
responsibility since his cattle were auctioned after a few weeks
of birth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Animal_Identification_System#Concerns

but wait... the chips cause cancer in the animals they're implanted in? but the FDA assured us they were safe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/08/AR2007090800997_pf.html


plain old fashioned bullshit is right, that's why independent
researchers are continually discrediting the FDA on the
'bullshit' they feed the public, how about we call the
bullshit/conspiracy what it really is, profiteering, government
gets kickbacks, doctors get kickbacks, large corporations get
kickbacks,  everyone profits but the end user, we just get dead

there's no illuminati conspiracy, I could give a shit about
bilderbergers and free masons, the knight templar or the damned
aliens but quite franly if you dont see the actual conspiracy
against the public, you're blind


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
there's no illuminati conspiracy, I could give a shit about
bilderbergers and free masons, the knight templar or the damned
aliens but quite franly if you dont see the actual conspiracy
against the public, you're blind


Don't badmouth the reptilians Pris!  When they return you will be regretting those words!:crankey:


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: DragonChaser]
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I have a special surprise for the lizard men



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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
guruu said:
The decline in food quality is just another example of the growth of capitalism. But it isn't driven by any ill intent


it's driven by profits and aided by the lack of accountability at the cost of our health


So you agree that it's not a conspiracy?


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Re: Codex Alimentarius - Government plan to drastically reduce the world's population? [Re: zouden]
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In Canada, the government is passing a bill limiting "therapeutic products" which are natural health products and drugs, but not pharmaceuticals.  The bill allows for police state powers for the health Canada officials who can enter your house without a warrant and seize your bank account and possessions for selling natural health products, like hemp lip balm for example.  It also allows the government to implement laws of foreign bodies, like the UN's CA.  It is starting here, we have the vitamin police coming.  The pharmaceutical companies are in on this, they want to get rid of the natural cures and preventions of many illnesses so they can sell you PILLS, LOTS AND LOTS OF PILLS!!!!


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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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