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Eschatology as Meme and Archetype
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Themes involving Eschatology are casually tossed about in dialogue, as though the only credence that is needed for validity is to be found in its widespread appeal.

The arguments and semantic usage differ very little from the tenants of religion and superstition.

Viewed as a meme, ideas about eschatology are multi-faceted, coming in the form of metaphors involving novelty, technology waves, collectivism, rebirth, 2012, neo-shamanism, etc. The list is nearly endless. And to my mind this is due to the fact that an inner struggle for purpose is defined by our desire for closure. All manifestations of human progress and interaction with the world is wrapped up in dualist notions of change. E.g. "We started at A and ended at B; We took this and made that; This reaction makes this effect." In other words, our leaps and bounds are signified by movements. The important thing to keep in mind is those boundaries--the points of origin versus the points of destination are defined by the human mind. And secondly, the movement of time and space expressed as change might exist comfortably well on a continuum with no beginning or end.

The new age and spiritualist rants about a new era may be viewed as a mere upwelling of human emotion. A longing for chaos or closure, a seemingly innate archetype in the Jungian sense.

I can feel it! It's just around the bend...
We're almost there!
We're almost there!

And then you're sober. Or your alarm goes off. Or you fall asleep. Or you lay rigid in a post-orgasm blur. Or the war ends. Or you finally get the big promotion.

You can keep setting the deadlines or the ear marks for change, all the while it buzzes along, dancing, whirling up and down.


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Re: Eschatology as Meme and Archetype [Re: Arden]
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Great post! :mushroom2:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Eschatology as Meme and Archetype [Re: Arden]
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Again, I'm much impressed with your faculty to boil down other human cultures. :thumbup:


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: Eschatology as Meme and Archetype [Re: daytripper23]
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Meme, really good post though I enjoyed reading it after smoking some herb. 

:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge. - My hero, who will be forever remembered, Carl Sagan.


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Re: Eschatology as Meme and Archetype [Re: Arden]
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of course

and don't forget the role of death anxiety in all this.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Eschatology as Meme and Archetype [Re: Arden]
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Its not necessarily so mystical.

You could say that all we have ever seen is the end, a history, that we reflect on. In fact, we are such experts, it has become a dull blur of enlightened warfare.

The wars aren't ever ending, because they are always being justified. Justice is the constant resolution and rationalization of the present, and of all events throughout history.

Always enlightened in the present, and ridiculous zealots in history - Less modern and less civilized; what is justice in the historical outlook of wars of the past, or of any other nation besides ones own? What is justice without its patriot enlightenment?

As our philosophies currently stand, war will always be justified in the present, and tragic in the past. And yet you are saying we should be skeptical that this is a tragedy of mankind? Only in the past right?

Consider our western enlightenment of reason and rationality: Or today, those realists and rationalists who grew out of it; or rather, the rationalists who are for that reason consider themselves realists, solely because a ratio-nality is posited whole (Hey look, I think therefore I am!):

A glimmer of hope; the ever burning fire that is and has been our freedom and justice, 
this enlightenment is what fuels us in our history long transition.

In other words, holistic, self centered thinking.

Man has always considered the proportionality of his being, but he has forgotten the naturalistic assumption it is based upon, namely that this proportioning is only derived from a positivistic philosophy:

For instance, the chief virtue of this enlightenment is freedom...of the market - That is, freedom as proportioned, because there is no other way to divy it out. So to whatever extent this proportional justice is genuinely maintained, it is fueled on the energy of a finite planet. (that is our forgotten posited existence)

His technological philosophy is no different; again it is man in the cradle of infinite possibility, because anything less would be unreasonably dogmatic. In fact, all our utilatarian models of philosophy are geared for an infinite planet, while we unfortunately exist on a finite one.

Yes, to that proportion, man has always feared apocalypse. That is one bias of the present that has always been ridiculous, given that we are still here. Nature has throughout history lived up to our philosophies and maintained herself in semblance of an infinite well-spring in relation to man.

But our existence as posited is finally catching up with her. Roughly, only within the last 50 or so years have we developed the capability of armaments to destroy the planet, and in the last 300 or so that our industry began irreparably damaging it. But you would say this is the same apocalyptic nonsense of our entire history? You would write this novelty off in the same manner as the rest of history?

The specifics of novelty theory are lofty, but we don't even need the specifics. It is simple and easy enough to see how our philosophies are presently rooted, and have always been rooted. We have never considered a philosophy other than being in the absolute cradle of nature, and only as of very recently, technologically speaking, we no longer little tykes.

Yet we (that is the we of scientific naturalism and capitalistic economy) still have the discreetness as a self centered toddler. Even if this is the "inner child" of enlightenment, of infinite wonder and opportunity, it happens to exist in a finite world.

All in all, man's present bias has many facets, all typically derived from the vast proportioning of all of reality to a presently enlightened man. There are so many implications to consider.

No doubt, death anxiety has for the longest time given us something to laugh at in retrospect. Ever been in a situation where you were almost wiped off the face of the earth? Afterwords, it is comforting to have a good laugh. Realistically considered, as you say, if it never touched you - in fact, given that you are alive, it never came close. You laugh, as if you were to all sensibility, naive in your moment of fear.

But having a clown of death over our shoulder doesn't contradict that we are to all methods of reasoning, hurtling toward death on SOME time-frame.
That is immanently clear unless our philosophies of economy and science begin to consider a finite existence. Our mounting consideration is not the proportioning of a ratio-nally enlightened man. Neither can we truly envision proportion in any timeframe other than the past.

To the future,  we may easily consider the implications of this age old posited enlightenment, on an evidently limited sphere.


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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