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OfflineDoomsDayJesus
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Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment?
    #8235039 - 04/03/08 07:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

We all live in the west and using a term like enlightenment I believe takes away from the legitimacy of what we are doing, gaining new insights about ourselves and our environment. Instead of giving the community the impression we think that we are Jedis i suggest we call it for what it actually represents, insights and new interpretations.

The word enlightenment also implies all of your theories and assumptions are definitive. I am certainly not trying to take away from what benefits psychoactive drugs provide as they have been invaluable to me.

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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: DoomsDayJesus]
    #8235074 - 04/03/08 07:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

True, true.


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8235104 - 04/03/08 07:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Bout time.


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8235111 - 04/03/08 07:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: this is a good point, although I think most of us believe ourselves to be mere padowans.


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: DoomsDayJesus]
    #8235194 - 04/03/08 07:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The meaning of enlightenment is the closest of any word I know to something I want to express. If we drop it we'll have to make a new word.

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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: Quarryman]
    #8235216 - 04/03/08 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Quarryman said:
The meaning of enlightenment is the closest of any word I know to something I want to express. If we drop it we'll have to make a new word.




You don't have to "make" a new word, it just makes sense to use a different one to better articulate what you want to express. I guarantee that if you start dropping the E word in front of people that are not Yogis or heavily diluted in the drug subculture they will not take you seriously even if the sentiment is not present.

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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: DoomsDayJesus]
    #8235221 - 04/03/08 08:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

OK. I vote we drop it after we come to a consenus on its meaning. :yesnod:


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8235235 - 04/03/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think we need to clarify the phrase "Drop it" as some people seem to think it means to say it, others think it means to no longer say it.


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: gotcha420haha]
    #8235240 - 04/03/08 08:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Drop it like the E bomb!

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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: gotcha420haha]
    #8235257 - 04/03/08 08:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Drop it as in no longer use it. I see the meaning as reaching a state of no desires, to know ultimate truth and so fourth. I contest that no one has ever managed that feat but more probably entered at state of delusional complacency.

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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: DoomsDayJesus]
    #8235439 - 04/03/08 08:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i would also like to drop
logical
rational
and god
from the language


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: DoomsDayJesus]
    #8235561 - 04/03/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Would claiming to be enlightened be one of the most arrogant things you could do? Doesn't it mean you have transcended the rest of humanity?

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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8235624 - 04/03/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
i would also like to drop
logical
rational
and god
from the language




I am so through with 'sweet'ums' and 'babycakes'...


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: DimensionX]
    #8235763 - 04/03/08 09:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Would claiming to be enlightened be one of the most arrogant things you could do? Doesn't it mean you have transcended the rest of humanity?




Thats right, its also even counter to what the word usually implies. Why would someone who is truly enlightened feel the need to announce it? Someone who is enlightened I would imagine does not eat and is in a self induced vegetable, saliva running down his jaw and blind because he hasn't blinked since his awakening. Just a thought

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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: DoomsDayJesus]
    #8235830 - 04/03/08 09:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Just stop worrying about it, measure your life by substance.

If we didnt produce anything; thoughts, creations, feelings, life would be just a big shitfest of greyness and delusion.
Dancing around a word throwing slight variations at it, that's a waste of time and effort.


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: krin]
    #8235859 - 04/03/08 09:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Just stop worrying about it, measure your life by substance.

If we didnt produce anything; thoughts, creations, feelings, life would be just a big shitfest of greyness and delusion.
Dancing around a word throwing slight variations at it, that's a waste of time and effort.




Huh? Trust me there are very few things I concern myself with and this isn't one of them. It is a suggestion so perhaps people don't sound nonsensical at least to some degree.

I am confused how the latter half of you post is relevant to this thread at all.

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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: DoomsDayJesus]
    #8235882 - 04/03/08 09:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

stop worrying man haha
its okay
dont be confused

(sorry if this aggravates you,haha)


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: krin]
    #8237589 - 04/04/08 09:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Perhaps lowering your language to fit the ignorance of those around you isnt the best choice...just my opinion.


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8237652 - 04/04/08 10:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
i would also like to drop
logical
rational
and god
from the language




I am so through with 'sweet'ums' and 'babycakes'...




I prefer sweetcheeks myself.



And to the OP, I have never felt that I would actually achieve this moment of E except for very miniscule moments in my life so it's not a word I use much anyway.


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Re: Can We Drop the Word Enlightenment? [Re: DoomsDayJesus]
    #8237854 - 04/04/08 11:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Allow me to enlighten you on my opinion in this matter. :smile: To me, the word has multiple meanings. There are religious folks who seek enlightenment in the sense that they transcend humanity and become "universally aware". I believe that an enlightened person can also be anyone who passes on a piece of good advice or wisdom to someone else, who then becomes enlightened because they now know that information. Insight, enlightenment, wisdom... In my eyes these words can be interchangeable.

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