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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: deCypher]
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Agreed. For the purposes of this thread though shouldn't we assume it is in existence?


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
So if you take a drug and believe you see a car coming at you at 60mph it's the same as standing in the freeway.


So you know what happens when you die?  How are you so confident that the subjective experiences are different?


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: deCypher]
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I don't know what happens after you die except for the fact that your body decomposes. That's a clue right there.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: Icelander]
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A clue, but not a proof.

What does a dream actor see when you commit suicide in a dream?

Grapefruit said:
Agreed. For the purposes of this thread though shouldn't we assume it is in existence?


I think ultimately the reality of the situation is that subjective and objective are merely different facets of the same thing (there is no hard line between the observer and the observed).  Trying to chase objective paranormal phenomena is like trying to chase objective hallucinations--it's impossible.  This, however, does not change the fact of their subjective reality (which is all that counts in the end, anyway).


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: deCypher]
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One wakes from a dream. Then one knows it was a dream.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: Icelander]
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Exactly, yet at the time we're convinced of its reality.

Couldn't the same be true for life in general?  I'm not arguing that it is; only that the matter is not nearly so clear-cut as an adamant stance in favor of an objective reality.


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: deCypher]
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xactly, yet at the time we're convinced of its reality.

Not if you're lucid dreaming. That may be the difference in all this. I'm awake and you are asleep.:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: Icelander]
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What if ego death is to waking life as lucid dreaming is to sleep?


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: deCypher]
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What if everything you think is wrong and everything I think is right?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: Icelander]
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In that case I'm just fucked.


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: deCypher]
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:grin:


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
What if ego death is to waking life as lucid dreaming is to sleep?


Certaintly feels that way at the time.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: deCypher]
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Yeah that's what I was thinkin too.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: Grapefruit]
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"Agreed. For the purposes of this thread though shouldn't we assume it is in existence?"

:thumbup:Why not make that "for the purposes of this life"? Im not saying we shouldnt question. But waking up and smelling the bacon; after a certain point there is no point in involving yourself in unanswerable circular arguments. You could be getting on with the ride


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: mr_kite]
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Im not saying we shouldnt question. But waking up and smelling the bacon; after a certain point there is no point in involving yourself in unanswerable circular arguments. You could be getting on with the ride

Get's kind of old now doesn't it.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: mr_kite]
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Grapefruit said:
I'm going to say for the purposes of life and reality it may as well exist. Just because we cannot prove it doesn't mean it isn't there. Basically it's as real as you're gonna get.


I think I'm just gonna quote myself here...


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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the existence of life itself prooves miracles exist in my eyes


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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: Chronic7]
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Reality makes you spin out hard when you start thinking about it. A favourite past time.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
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Just chat your fraff
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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: Chronic7]
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Why is life a "miracle"? Or are you using that word very loosely?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Paranormal Events [Re: Icelander]
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always loosely...


i can see why some guys say they can read thoughts etc.. i can also see why OC says that its all nonsense

believeing or believing in not believing, its all belief
all belief is distortion of what actually is


if you aint buying, nobody can sell you shit!

:peace:


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