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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
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Be careful with this whole enlightenment thing. Having moments of greatly expanded awareness does not protect you from being wrong about matters of life, communicating with other beings, etc. I learned this the hard way after people in my life started reacting negatively to the things I said, and I couldn't understand why. The reason why was because I was being pretentious as shit.

And with that..

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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that's understandable. that's why i still like to take everything in from other people and integrate it with my next journey.... which hopefully is coming soon after all this mess. is it wrong of me to get offended by one discrediting my experiences and intuitive side? because i do think that the intuitive is just as important as logic.

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
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I don't really know what's being going on here, I just saw you talking about the third eye and it raised a red flag for me because I used to have a serious messianic complex. It's not wrong for you to get offended about anything, I think the better question is whether it is productive use of your energy (once again, don't know what the argument was).


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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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well it's not productive, and you can't find out until after you try and find out that some people just won't open up to the idea.


BOO HOO I ONLY HAVE 3 SHROOMS NOW

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
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Open up to the idea of what? The third eye? I believe in spiritual awakenings, I don't know if it is caused by the pineal gland but I've seen some studies that seem to lean towards that idea.


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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Yeah i'm not positive it's caused by the pineal gland either. but spiritual awakenings, yes! now how can you prove that? it's like something you have to experience right? but i still think it's disrespectful to disregard the idea just because it's not proven in science or whatever. because i think it's beyond that, it's a whole nother matter!

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
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From another thread, thought this might fit here:

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Intuition and logic are both important ( thinking, knowing and believing)

The road to enlightenment is neither analytical nor spiritual... because it's both.
When going on a quest to solving a "puzzle", a complicated situation we need logic so we can study it, analyze it, looking for a pattern, comparing it with past issues and so on.

Then comes the intuitive part... when we try to "feel" the problem, when we try to become it, which requires imagination and spontaneity.
For setting an example, it's how Einstein, when he imagined the light waves traveling through space, came up with the theory of relativity. After using his intuition he went along using logic so he could prove it.



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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Exactly what I'm trying to say. so the problem is, when people discredit the intuitive!

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.


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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Veritas]
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you're so funny! i know you KNOW i've seen this. we're already on a different subject though. nice one :smile: there is a difference between challenging and discrediting. if you don't believe in the intuitive at all, then you're missing out on half of philosophy and spirituality.

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
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I didn't reply to you, but to the OP.  :shrug:

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Veritas]
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ok, what does OP stand for? sorry i'm new at all this internet slang

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
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I don't think he's saying nitpicking should be banned, just that it sometimes overwhelms discussions with interesting potential. Anyone's (and I do mean anyone's) arguments can be derailed by challenging every last fact or irrelevant mis-wording.

If you know the Principia Mathematica -- 8 billion pages to prove that 1+1=2. It's great (essential) that someone did that, but can you imagine if we had to do that with everything?

Groups develop a culture that is not always encoded in the rules that govern them. I absolutely do not think TV should be censored or regulated, but it sure would be nice if we as a society made the choice to raise the level of discourse. Similarly, allowing nitpicking doesn't mean it is always appropriate -- at a certain saturation percentage, it becomes dominant and overwhelms other modalities. Isn't self-restraint part of the mature response to freedom?

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
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OP= Original poster, as in the one who started the thread.

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
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You saw it but retained nothing it seems.

Everyone here "believes" that we have intuition. Logical folk also know that intuition is not infallible.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Icelander]
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With two choices, intuition is correct about 50% of the time. :yesnod:


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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I doubt that. Intuition IMO would be more often right than wrong considering that it most likely takes in subliminal clues. Many people , IMO, confuse their programming with intuition.:tongue:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (01/15/08 04:22 PM)

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Icelander]
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Using your intuition (and subliminal clues), am I holding a quarter in my right hand or my left hand?


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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Veritas said:
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.




I wholeheartedly welcome my opinions to be challenged and disputed, reevaluation of current information based on better information is how knowledge progresses. Its when the topic can't even be discussed due to people coming in and saying we can't discuss that because it has not been proven to be fact that I'm referring to.




The point of this thread is these are concepts essential to both Philosophy and Spirituality which can not be proven or disproved (like God, spirits, souls, afterlife,...). These are concepts upon which the subjects of spirituality and philosophy are built on. Do you think Socrates and Plato could discuss piety if one of them said "Prove there is a God then I may discuss."? Its absurd. There must be a great deal of discussion before the subject can be proven at all.


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Come on breakthrough with me...such wonders terrify the soul...it's real no need to question...knowledge infiltrates the host

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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
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Of course it can be discussed, if all the parties accept to take to account that it has not been proven and then build a conversation in that sense. Otherwise it would be just a fictional discourse which has nothing to do with philosophy.


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
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Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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