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P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering
#7883024 - 01/15/08 11:48 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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It is increasingly difficult to have a reasonable discussion in P&S. It seems every issue must be embedded in proven fact to even be discussed. Philosophy and Spirituality are subjects that have been developed and based on things that can not be or have not been proven (God, spirits, souls, afterlife...). When one of these issues starts to be discussed there are a few in here that continuously nitpick at small issues demanding they be proven or saying the topic is against rules or belongs in a different forum. This is seriously detracting from the discussion of these subjects and these people have derailed way too many threads dealing with these subjects. So to those who are bickering and nitpicking continuously on these issues (we all know whos being referred to here) please stop so threads can be opened and freely discussed without being completely derailed or reduced to redundant arguments about the unknown. The content of the P&S forum has suffered enough
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7883043 - 01/15/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE HAS POINTED THIS OUT! just ignore the fuckers, and we can have a real discussion 
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
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Cute.
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Just remember... in P&S people are ALLOWED to disagree. Different opinions are what keep this forum alive. You may not like it... but that's how it is.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Rose]
#7883527 - 01/15/08 01:48 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I'm sick of people telling me this, I KNOW we're supposed to disagree, or else how would we get new ideas? I just don't like the way of arguing when one is completely over looking my main points and either trying to turn them around, or nitpicking at the terms i use, whether or not it's real, etc. Do you at least see why I got so annoyed?? Also, a LOT of threads just turned into two certain people making sexual innuendo-s at each other and if you've noticed, everyone else is chased away by their stupidity.
and backfromthedead, you callin me cute? thanks
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7883554 - 01/15/08 01:56 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Yes... but about the only way a person gets banned from this forum is when they throw a tantrum... after something has ALREADY been settled.
It seems you don't like HOW this forum works... because the people you are apparently pissed-off at actually FOLLOWED the rules. It IS annoying... but I am not lying to you.
I DO see why you are annoyed... but you are annoyed by the things that OTHERS LOVE about this forum. It seems this forum was made for THEM and not YOU.
There IS a forum here where you CAN discuss what you want WITHOUT FEAR of being nitpicked. THIS is NOT that forum.
I am not trying to be mean. But you know what they say about the truth... it can hurt.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Rose]
#7883583 - 01/15/08 02:03 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Right
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7883591 - 01/15/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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JackthaTripper said: It is increasingly difficult to have a reasonable discussion in P&S. It seems every issue must be embedded in proven fact to even be discussed. Philosophy and Spirituality are subjects that have been developed and based on things that can not be or have not been proven (God, spirits, souls, afterlife...). When one of these issues starts to be discussed there are a few in here that continuously nitpick at small issues demanding they be proven or saying the topic is against rules or belongs in a different forum. This is seriously detracting from the discussion of these subjects and these people have derailed way too many threads dealing with these subjects. So to those who are bickering and nitpicking continuously on these issues (we all know whos being referred to here) please stop so threads can be opened and freely discussed without being completely derailed or reduced to redundant arguments about the unknown. The content of the P&S forum has suffered enough
I spend a lot more time here then you and I see very little evidence of anything you are ranting about.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7883603 - 01/15/08 02:09 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Love Cap said: Also, a LOT of threads just turned into two certain people making sexual innuendo-s at each other and if you've noticed, everyone else is chased away by their stupidity.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7883610 - 01/15/08 02:10 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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It is increasingly difficult to have a reasonable discussion in P&S. It seems every issue must be embedded in proven fact to even be discussed.
Every issue? Links or citations, please!
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Is that, that sarcasm thingy?
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Icelander]
#7883637 - 01/15/08 02:17 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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dude, i've been told and told again. i understand the purpose of this forum. i'm open for disagreement, argument, and even nitpicking when it relates to the subject. but i don't like it when a perfectly intellectual discussion turns into trivial bullshit because of one thing or another. and it's also very annoying when a good thread turns into only two people arguing completely off the subject, or two people just making dumb emoticons at eachother. are you saying thats what people love about this forum? for two people to take over a thread and turn it into internet fucking? haha. and personal attack is against the rules, yet we have such smart ass emoticons and we can easily dance on the line of personal attack. To question what i have to say is one thing, its obviously a part of this forum, but the question ME and my intelligence is another.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7883646 - 01/15/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Love Cap said: THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE HAS POINTED THIS OUT! just ignore the fuckers, and we can have a real discussion 
lovin' you brother!
Agreed, remember that there our many ways to find spiritual englightenment and self, just because you may have found a way that works for you is no reason to butt in suggesting they are wrong. If the topic up for discussion is philosophical then there is no right answer. For those who recognize a question as one they have surpassed, help the person asking to advance on that thinking, but do not pull away from the path of thinking they are on, let them stay on the path until they find the end, then suggest a new path.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7883659 - 01/15/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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but the question ME and my intelligence is another.
They are obviously separate things.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Bernackums]
#7883661 - 01/15/08 02:23 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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What about the ones that question your enlightenment, how do you explain to them? How can you 'prove' that this part of spirituality is real.... can is even be proved? Thats why I said that I think that's what the beauty of spirituality is... it's beyond.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
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How can you 'prove' that this part of spirituality is real..
By lashing out in anger?
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How can you 'prove' that this part of spirituality is real..
By lashing out in anger?
Is there something more to that?
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7883693 - 01/15/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Controlled instabilty sets an example to all those stuck in the lower chakras.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7883695 - 01/15/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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yeah, yeah thats it! because that was the FIRST thing i tried! do you agree that there are explanations beyond logic? our logic and language are only our recreation of our perception of these kinds of things, but there is sooo much more.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7883710 - 01/15/08 02:33 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Be careful with this whole enlightenment thing. Having moments of greatly expanded awareness does not protect you from being wrong about matters of life, communicating with other beings, etc. I learned this the hard way after people in my life started reacting negatively to the things I said, and I couldn't understand why. The reason why was because I was being pretentious as shit.
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that's understandable. that's why i still like to take everything in from other people and integrate it with my next journey.... which hopefully is coming soon after all this mess. is it wrong of me to get offended by one discrediting my experiences and intuitive side? because i do think that the intuitive is just as important as logic.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7883770 - 01/15/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I don't really know what's being going on here, I just saw you talking about the third eye and it raised a red flag for me because I used to have a serious messianic complex. It's not wrong for you to get offended about anything, I think the better question is whether it is productive use of your energy (once again, don't know what the argument was).
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well it's not productive, and you can't find out until after you try and find out that some people just won't open up to the idea.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7883812 - 01/15/08 02:53 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Open up to the idea of what? The third eye? I believe in spiritual awakenings, I don't know if it is caused by the pineal gland but I've seen some studies that seem to lean towards that idea.
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Yeah i'm not positive it's caused by the pineal gland either. but spiritual awakenings, yes! now how can you prove that? it's like something you have to experience right? but i still think it's disrespectful to disregard the idea just because it's not proven in science or whatever. because i think it's beyond that, it's a whole nother matter!
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7883964 - 01/15/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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From another thread, thought this might fit here:
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Intuition and logic are both important ( thinking, knowing and believing)
The road to enlightenment is neither analytical nor spiritual... because it's both. When going on a quest to solving a "puzzle", a complicated situation we need logic so we can study it, analyze it, looking for a pattern, comparing it with past issues and so on.
Then comes the intuitive part... when we try to "feel" the problem, when we try to become it, which requires imagination and spontaneity. For setting an example, it's how Einstein, when he imagined the light waves traveling through space, came up with the theory of relativity. After using his intuition he went along using logic so he could prove it.
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Exactly what I'm trying to say. so the problem is, when people discredit the intuitive!
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7884109 - 01/15/08 03:45 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Veritas]
#7884155 - 01/15/08 03:50 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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you're so funny! i know you KNOW i've seen this. we're already on a different subject though. nice one there is a difference between challenging and discrediting. if you don't believe in the intuitive at all, then you're missing out on half of philosophy and spirituality.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7884173 - 01/15/08 03:54 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I didn't reply to you, but to the OP.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Veritas]
#7884215 - 01/15/08 04:01 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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ok, what does OP stand for? sorry i'm new at all this internet slang
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7884258 - 01/15/08 04:08 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I don't think he's saying nitpicking should be banned, just that it sometimes overwhelms discussions with interesting potential. Anyone's (and I do mean anyone's) arguments can be derailed by challenging every last fact or irrelevant mis-wording.
If you know the Principia Mathematica -- 8 billion pages to prove that 1+1=2. It's great (essential) that someone did that, but can you imagine if we had to do that with everything?
Groups develop a culture that is not always encoded in the rules that govern them. I absolutely do not think TV should be censored or regulated, but it sure would be nice if we as a society made the choice to raise the level of discourse. Similarly, allowing nitpicking doesn't mean it is always appropriate -- at a certain saturation percentage, it becomes dominant and overwhelms other modalities. Isn't self-restraint part of the mature response to freedom?
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7884300 - 01/15/08 04:16 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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OP= Original poster, as in the one who started the thread.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7884301 - 01/15/08 04:16 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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You saw it but retained nothing it seems.
Everyone here "believes" that we have intuition. Logical folk also know that intuition is not infallible.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Icelander]
#7884319 - 01/15/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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With two choices, intuition is correct about 50% of the time.
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I doubt that. Intuition IMO would be more often right than wrong considering that it most likely takes in subliminal clues. Many people , IMO, confuse their programming with intuition.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Icelander]
#7884359 - 01/15/08 04:26 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Using your intuition (and subliminal clues), am I holding a quarter in my right hand or my left hand?
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7884539 - 01/15/08 05:05 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Veritas said:
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
I wholeheartedly welcome my opinions to be challenged and disputed, reevaluation of current information based on better information is how knowledge progresses. Its when the topic can't even be discussed due to people coming in and saying we can't discuss that because it has not been proven to be fact that I'm referring to.
The point of this thread is these are concepts essential to both Philosophy and Spirituality which can not be proven or disproved (like God, spirits, souls, afterlife,...). These are concepts upon which the subjects of spirituality and philosophy are built on. Do you think Socrates and Plato could discuss piety if one of them said "Prove there is a God then I may discuss."? Its absurd. There must be a great deal of discussion before the subject can be proven at all.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7884572 - 01/15/08 05:11 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Of course it can be discussed, if all the parties accept to take to account that it has not been proven and then build a conversation in that sense. Otherwise it would be just a fictional discourse which has nothing to do with philosophy.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Using your intuition (and subliminal clues), am I holding a quarter in my right hand or my left hand?
You don't have a quarter or a pot to piss in. I ain't fooled.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Icelander]
#7884753 - 01/15/08 05:39 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I know where he stuck that quarter...
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Rose]
#7884772 - 01/15/08 05:43 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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jackthetripper it won't let me give you a general rating! the only selection i can make is 'trade'
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7884825 - 01/15/08 05:54 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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$5 says you ALREADY rated him.
Hmmmm... yes you did.
6 hours ago...
"5 For stating the truth"
Sound familiar?
Short term memory much?
Also, why did you reply to ME when you are talking to HIM?
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Rose]
#7884976 - 01/15/08 06:25 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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oh wow! that ridiculous isn't it? haha! and sorry, i guess sometimes i don't pay attention to the 'reply to' option, you know, i just scroll down and reply.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7884984 - 01/15/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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JackthaTripper said: Do you think Socrates and Plato could discuss piety if one of them said "Prove there is a God then I may discuss."?
That is what Socrates did say!
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7884987 - 01/15/08 06:28 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Man, I made that mistake for months when I started here.
But if I don't call you on it... how will you ever learn?
It is how I learned.
As for forgetting you rated a guy the same day you rated him... I can't help you there.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7885001 - 01/15/08 06:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Yeah I got the rating, thanks. I think you should be able to rate me twice if you wanted to
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JackthaTripper said: Do you think Socrates and Plato could discuss piety if one of them said "Prove there is a God then I may discuss."?
That is what Socrates did say!
The two did discuss, in great detail, piety without the proof of Gods existence.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7885033 - 01/15/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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"Is piety good because the gods like it, or do the gods like piety because it is good?"
Classic Socrates
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hey assman, is that an aya painting?
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Yeah I remember that one from Phil 100 a few years back, I had to read it a few times to capture its meaning
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7885101 - 01/15/08 06:49 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Love Cap said: hey assman, is that an aya painting?
i am the assman!
you mean the picture in my signature? It's actually a collection of pictures, and I think a few of them are aya inspired, some of them mushroom inspired, some of them dmt, and so on. i actually collected a whole bunch of psychedelic art from erowid.org and then made a sort of collage out of them 
i recommend taking a look at their art section there if you haven't already, some great stuff there!
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yeah i've looked through it a bit, there IS a lot of good stuff in there! but props on the collage! love it!
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7885151 - 01/15/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7885518 - 01/15/08 08:00 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I used to be able to rate people twice in one day, but that was when I was younger.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7886348 - 01/15/08 10:21 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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JackthaTripper said: Do you think Socrates and Plato could discuss piety if one of them said "Prove there is a God then I may discuss."?
That is what Socrates did say!
The two did discuss, in great detail, piety without the proof of Gods existence.
Oh yeah.... I thought they discussed God in the Apology, but I was wrong. 
If you want to discuss theological topics, then ignore the throngs of atheists and skeptics. The existence of a god has been argued ad nauseum in philosophy for millennia, so you shouldn't be surprised that it is being argued about here.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7887453 - 01/16/08 07:23 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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JackthaTripper said: It is increasingly difficult to have a reasonable discussion in P&S. It seems every issue must be embedded in proven fact to even be discussed. Philosophy and Spirituality are subjects that have been developed and based on things that can not be or have not been proven (God, spirits, souls, afterlife...). When one of these issues starts to be discussed there are a few in here that continuously nitpick at small issues demanding they be proven or saying the topic is against rules or belongs in a different forum. This is seriously detracting from the discussion of these subjects and these people have derailed way too many threads dealing with these subjects. So to those who are bickering and nitpicking continuously on these issues (we all know whos being referred to here) please stop so threads can be opened and freely discussed without being completely derailed or reduced to redundant arguments about the unknown. The content of the P&S forum has suffered enough
Please, people have been saying this for the past five years.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7887513 - 01/16/08 08:02 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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As P&S came out of S&P, all personalism (towards the contributors of the threads) was forbidden. As some people here can't discern positive from negative (destructive vs constructive) personalism, maybe we have to sharpen this rule once again back to basics  ...
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7887644 - 01/16/08 09:24 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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This forum is really just a tangled mess about the grouping of neurological arrangements-
In otherwords langauage is merely an innate ability related to genetics/biology, and all these conversations are just metaphors for the physicalities that, with in the theory of logic, should be able to be measured. At the very base, philosphy COULD be a hard science, if we developed the tools to measure the parts of the brain that are stimulated by such topics covered in this forum.
You saw God? That's your so and so acting up. You felt fear, and the presence of a spirit? That's this region, and judging by our equipment there is a crosswiring of emotional content and psychedelics, so you are clearly a philosopher.
Judging by your neurological arrangement, you must like philosophy!
Another way to put it is that we would be able to compare experiences directly; objectively if we were able to correlate what words, language, and expressions with there neurological counterparts. So by finding out which areas of the brain are stimulated by non-existant things such as God, Spirits, Souls and what not, like matching thumprints we can compare and contast the differences between neurological prints.
So yes, spirits, souls and what not do not exist with in most logical people's defintion. They DO exist as a grouping of neuropathways. We can talk about those neurological associations because THEY are there.
When someones talking about spirits, they are talking about neurology; something very organic. Neurologist (and people in the field) must use language to observe neurons.
So when someone talks about spirits, I hear "This is my current neurological state" They are the same thing to me. Talk about spirits, people, until we get the equipment to properly identify how they exist neurologically/biologically.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7887646 - 01/16/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Great post!
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7887653 - 01/16/08 09:30 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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I might be a reduction type of guy.
Thank you! Actually I'm flattered you liked my post!
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7887679 - 01/16/08 09:45 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Only through reasoning we rid confusion, I think it's very constructive and righteous to use this line of thinking. It's what keeps our minds clear and gives us the perspective of a better judgment. I have nothing against people who choose to adopt a mystic view on life but the role of philosophy is to analyze all that from a logical angle.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7887704 - 01/16/08 09:55 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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So I'd say since mostly all experiences humans have (or ALL?) are the direct result of firing neurons, wouldn't this be the ONLY logical angle?
Well probably three logical angles: Genetics, Neurology, and Enviorment...enviorment being probably the MOST subjective, and or most difficult, as it deals with topics such as sociology, religion, ect. The enviorment is almost like an enemy of logic!!;-)
I think they are the three main culprits for conciousness and/or experience.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7888124 - 01/16/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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I like the way you put it. Basically what I was trying to say, I think? That our understanding of physical language doesn't cover a lot of things that do exist outside of this physical layer.
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7888253 - 01/16/08 01:26 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Thought you might like this.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/358/1/6
Its a good one, I think.
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awesome i bookmarked it so I can get further into later.. thank you
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Re: P&S Discussion Reduced to Bickering [Re: Love Cap]
#7888286 - 01/16/08 01:35 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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It was for Apollyphelion, actually. But your welcome. My father printed it out for me one day, rad.
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oh 
but apollyphelion, your last post pretty much just put my thoughts into better words.
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