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ALl numbers are reducible to 1
    #3775569 - 02/13/05 09:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I say this because all numbers add up to one whole, including zero which doesn't exsist. When you have nothing happen, it is still one nothing happenning and thus something. When you have 5 things happen, that is one set of 5 things. When you have verything happen, or infinity, that is still one thing.

Thus one and all other numbers with it are truly infinate and inexsistance does not exsist within exsistance.

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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: MAGnum]
    #3775596 - 02/13/05 09:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i think that stems more from linguistic patterns than actual objective truths

but it's true that oneness is only a perceived label. true substance is inseperable from the whole of itself, as in zero = one = infinity.

But these are all models keep in mind. Don't get caught in the abstract when the source is staring right at you :smile:


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: deff]
    #3775615 - 02/13/05 09:16 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

That is exactly how I look at it except that zero doesn't exsist as absolutely nothing because in exsistance the only thing that doesn't exsist is non exsistance.


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: deff]
    #3775783 - 02/13/05 10:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

What Magnum said is true. If I have $100, the I have one thing equal to a hundred dollars.
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zero = one = infinity.

This is pure nonsense. In what frame of reference could this be considered true?


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: shroomydan]
    #3775894 - 02/13/05 10:34 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

In the fact that zero doen't exsist. If you have nothing, it is still one nothing, thus something.


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: MAGnum]
    #3776064 - 02/13/05 11:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmm....  :strokebeard:


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: shroomydan]
    #3777565 - 02/14/05 08:49 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

in the sense that all is perfect and one, yet infinite and nothing :smile:


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: MAGnum]
    #3777570 - 02/14/05 08:57 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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In the fact that zero doen't exsist.  If you have nothing, it is still one nothing, thus something.




You might have a conceptual something based on nothing, but nothing is still nothing, by definition. Zero bananas does not equate into one banana, even if you consider the absence of a banana to be "something". :wink:

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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: MAGnum]
    #3777899 - 02/14/05 11:23 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

> When you have nothing happen, it is still one nothing happenning and thus something.

Only when viewed from a dualistic mindset.

> You might have a conceptual something based on nothing, but nothing is still nothing

Perhaps there is a difference between 'nothing' and 'no thing'.


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3777936 - 02/14/05 11:35 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

But in all of exsistance, show me where in exsistance does actual inexsistance exsists. remember, Energy cannot be destroyed or taken into a nil state.

If there are no bannanas, yes there are no bannanas but it is impossible to get nothing. Because if there are no bannanas in the bucket, that is one nothing in the bucket and thus it is something.


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: MAGnum]
    #3777954 - 02/14/05 11:38 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Because if there are no bannanas in the bucket, that is one nothing in the bucket and thus it is something.




It isn't something, it is the absense of something. As I said before, you may conceptualize that absence of something as something (the absence of something), but that still doesn't fill that absence of something, it is still the absence of something. :grin:

This seems to be more of a semantics game than anything.... :wink:

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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: MAGnum]
    #3777956 - 02/14/05 11:38 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

well it is impossible to perceive nothingness

as this is still a perception, and thus something

but...

the 'void' lies behind perception, it is the objective blank nothingness that is infinitely transposed into 'somethingness'.

if a man closes his eyes, he sees "nothing" (absence of light), but still is existant to "see" this. this is not nothingness.

kill that man, then what does he "see"? THAT is nothingness.

non-existance does not exist, but it is real :wink:


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3778350 - 02/14/05 01:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

> This seems to be more of a semantics game than anything....

Yes, but it illustrates how our reality is based upon dualism.

> the 'void' lies behind perception

By naming the 'void', you have given it perception... therefore, that which you speak about is not that which you speak about.

How big is "space" if nothing but "space" exists.
What is the sound of one hand clapping.
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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3778520 - 02/14/05 01:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Even in the absence of something, it still exsists.

Where in reality does the value of absolute nothing exsist?

I am not talking about immaginary numbers, but real, physical things.

There is no place for nothing in exsistance.


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: MAGnum]
    #3778525 - 02/14/05 01:57 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Just out of curiosity, what is dualism?


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: MAGnum]
    #3778558 - 02/14/05 02:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"By naming the 'void', you have given it perception... therefore, that which you speak about is not that which you speak about."

:lol: I know, I know. That's why this can never be known directly, as knowledge itself is an abstraction (how can you abstract the nonabstract?)

This literally creates an ifinite series of looping logic. That which I talk about IS what I talk about, logically. However, if you did indeed perceive my intended point separate from the linguistically correct point (that the void is perceived and hence not void), then indeed the message of non-message got through.

Hard to put into words, so I won't try :cool:


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: deff]
    #3778581 - 02/14/05 02:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

daulity is the belief in objects, in a sense

that a part of existence can be said to be truly distinct from another part.

more commonly, it is represented as opposites (as human logic is binary). So things like hot and cold, tall and short, ect.

Really, all of these dual classes arise from human perception. Everything is relative to something else, and hence to know hot we also have to know cold.

But where do all opposites meet? Can something be neither true nor false? Well, it breaks apart all human logic, and so when raising awareness of this kind of thinking you encounter many people who say it's illogical and dumb.

But all is one. Then again, it can be percieved as many. Is that which is, that which is perceived? what is is? uh oh...

all logic breaks apart the moment it separates one into two. or rather, one would not exist as a concept without the concept of many, or would it?

all I can say is, it doesn't matter :craven:


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: deff]
    #3778934 - 02/14/05 04:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

... and welcome to basic math and factoring!

All numbers are multiples of 1 and themselves as well as other factors, often - this includes 0 times 1...  The question is, which rule is taking precedence (not that it matters), the rule that anything times 1 is itself or that anything times 0 is 0? :wink:

Perfect squares, for example, 25, can be represented as "one set of twenty-fiive" OR as "five sets of five".


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: MAGnum]
    #3779369 - 02/14/05 06:07 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think you have discovered anything new, but rather found a new approach to looking at something that has already existed for a long time.

11 42 and 69 are all multiples of 1.


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Re: ALl numbers are reducible to 1 [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3779440 - 02/14/05 06:20 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

""ALl numbers are reducible to 1 ""

even number, 1?

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