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OfflineTonearm
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Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson)
    #2179437 - 12/15/03 02:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Is there anyone here who is familiar with either Timothy Leary's theory of Eight Neurological Circuits or the author Robert Anton Wilson?


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wils [Re: Tonearm]
    #2179511 - 12/15/03 02:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Don't know it by heart. I've read it.

What's your question?





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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: Tonearm]
    #2179518 - 12/15/03 02:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

yes.


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: Tonearm]
    #2179519 - 12/15/03 02:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Aye.

Check this out for some interesting stuff relating to the Mushroom and the Eightfold theory :

http://www.swastika.com/rp/universe.html


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: Tonearm]
    #2179730 - 12/15/03 03:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes,I'm very familar with RAW and Leary. What would you like to discuss?


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: monoamine]
    #2179793 - 12/15/03 04:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

now you got me all interested, what is it? Links perhaps?


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: haz]
    #2180096 - 12/15/03 06:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Some one describe 'em quick if ya can... and what happens on the 8th circuit? ...deoxy.org has some great information... I'm just too lazy to put it in here and am giving ideas of what to put...  :tongue:


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: ergot]
    #2180223 - 12/15/03 07:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Here's a link to where it's gone over at deoxy.org :

http://www.deoxy.org/8circuit.htm

I'm part-way through Robert Anton Wilson's book "Prometheus Rising", which is based on Leary's circuits. What do you guys think of the Eight Circuit theory and everything else RAW goes over in "Prometheus"?


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: Revelation]
    #2180520 - 12/15/03 08:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

interesting link to that swastika site man, very interesting read.


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: Tonearm]
    #2180881 - 12/15/03 10:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I posted about this a long time ago but I was surprised too see about two responses only. I am very familiar with that and lots of stuff from www.deoxy.org. I am glad too see someone else that is into the same thing I am.


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #2181123 - 12/15/03 11:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Good stuff. Thanks y'all. :thumbup:

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Everyday began upon
The summer's kiss of love and adventure
And every June that we fell into
Left a mark upon us too
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The empty woods where we played
Every hour of every day
The holidays went on forever

And in the woods was a soldier's tomb
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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #2181802 - 12/16/03 07:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I can definately apply lots of this to different trips and experiences in my life, and am surprised myself I've never stumbled across it all. Learn something new everyday eh :smile:


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wils [Re: Tonearm]
    #2183740 - 12/16/03 09:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, i found it very interesting, and have it at the back of my mind alot.


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wils [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #2195748 - 12/22/03 03:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Damn, I got very distracted after I started this thread. The search function was broken yesterday so I couldn't find it again, but Search is working today so here I am.

Would anyone like to discuss the whole 8-circuit model? RAW's Prometheus Rising has affected huge changes in me now....


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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: Tonearm]
    #2197051 - 12/23/03 02:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What do you guys think of the Eight Circuit theory and everything else RAW goes over in "Prometheus"?

Yes, I have read "Prometheus Rising" and it also changed the way I think about how I form my opinions. It showed me, among other things, how we trick ourselves into believing whatever reality suits us at the time. He is a hell of an author and thinker. He also has a fantastic sense of humor as I'm sure you know.

I like the stuff on "reality tunnels"- how we can't possibly process all incoming sensory information so we screen it. We take in what correlates with our beliefs and reject anything that doesn't fit the mold. He cures you of any pretension of objectivity you might have going in. I was already familiar with the idea- I just dig his explanation of it.

As far as the 8 circuits go- anything I read along those lines I take with a big grain of salt. When someone says, "There are 41 other worlds, 6 spiritual realms", etc you can take that as their perception and don't take it too seriously. It all depends on where you draw the line. You could say an inch consists of 8 sections and define them. Or you could say there are sixteen. Both are correct depending upon how you want to divide it. There are gradations in most things- a spectrum.

When you view light through a prism you can see that blue and purple dont begin and end abruptly- they merge. Where you draw the line is an intellectual exercise and one that misses the point in my opinion.

My next book to read, after 'Heavier than Heaven' and whatever books I get for Christmas *wrings hands gleefully* will be Cosmic Trigger I by RAW.



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Re: Leary's Eight Neurological Circuits (+ Robert Anton Wilson) [Re: Jellric]
    #2197734 - 12/23/03 02:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

From what I understand, you can't relate something to someone else using the convention of language without dividing or separating ideas and concepts. Like digital information (10101010), the semantic circuit of the brain (the proposed 3rd circuit, the verbal-logical circuit) operates by categorizing, dividing, separating in this way (1 or 0 ?). Language is a product of this semantic circuit, and is, as a result, bound by the same restrictions (either 1 or 0). The eight-way separation of the model of consciousness RAW uses is only necessary when examining the operation of our consciousness through the semantic/logical circuit in our brain. I suppose, theoretically, the same model of consciousness could be related using a method other than language that doesn't require the separation. Such a method could conceivably do an even better job of explanation too. Language in a book seems like the easiest way to go though, and the separation of ideas or concepts from one another is an inextricable part of that method.

Your example of light refracted through a prism is a great example. "Purple" and "blue" are semantic models we have created (or inherited) and applied to our experience of part of the spectrum of visible light. Since they are only semantic, logic-based models, they are subject to the flaws inherent in such a model. Where lies the division between purple and blue? The only way to know is to create another model to define that division. Without the model what do we have? The raw experience of purple and blue I guess. Sounds just as nice (if not nicer) than purple and blue along with their semantic models, but how will you communicate purple and blue to someone without creating at least a basic semantic model of them? And once you've created that basic model, you've separated two things that aren't really separate right? But how could you have communicated purple and blue without that "artificial" separation?

I guess what I'm trying to say is: I agree with you that the separation of ideas and concepts reveals itself as incorrect under scrutiny (especially when the separation is being perceived through a consciousness circuit higher than the third), but "don't throw out the baby with the bath water". (I've never used that saying before, and never really taken the time to understand it either. It seems like it fits here though, and now I feel like I have a real understanding of it as well.)


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