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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Icelander]
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No need for sarcasm, but work away.

Jokes, put ons and windups usually. the kind of thing that you know you've bought when you hear someone laughing. Their fun! is my point.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: straasha]
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*They're


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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They're

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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"Why Debunk"?

Because it's more fun to shoot down other people's beliefs than to have your own beliefs shot down?

And remember, kids - Only Punks Debunk


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Doesn't it bother you that there are now many millions (billions?) of video and photo equipped cell phones everywhere on the planet, yet STILL the best video and photos available are blurry, distant, could-be-anythings?

It's inconceivable to me that these powerful cameras able to shoot perfectly resolved video now blanket the planet but somehow none has caught a single undeniable flying thing that couldn't be from Earth? And the few sharp images we do have turned out be be photoshop hoaxes?

And UFOs were never reported in the year 1800. It wasn't until the advent of TV and alien visitation movies that people started insisting that Venus was a hovering UFO.

None of this shakes your faith one bit, does it?


Of course not, its not faith, I have first hand experience so I know[. You have faith as you have faith in the idea that there is no reality to it yet you clearly have done no research...

Your point about the pictures is complete crap, new video and picture comes up all the time, yes some of its photoshopped crap but what about the stuff that isn't?



Heres a picture of the craft seen in the Belgium incident. Photographed hundreds of times, recorded, captured by two separate radar stations and chased into space by f-16's. I'm sure you will deny all this though to fit your idea's.

I really shouldn't speculate on the contents of these craft. I think considering the behaviour and technology that its likely they are not our craft (at least not all of them, todays military may well have advanced enough). For anyone thats done the research theres no question if highly advanced are flying around. The question is where do they come from? Everybody always says US military but theres a lot of evidence to suggest that they are not all military, see foo fighters.

If you take the abduction scenario at all seriously then thats another load of evidence that suggests these are not military.
Explain what happened to all these people:
Steven Michealak

Travis Walton

Hickson Parker

Barney Betty Hill

Bill Herman

1967-The Betty Andreasson Abduction

1968-The Buff Ledge Alien Abductions

1975-Abduction of Sergeant Moody

1976-An Alien Abduction in Stanford, Kentucky

1976-The Allagash Alien Abduction

Herbert Schirmer

1979-The Dechmont Woods Alien Abduction of Robert Taylor

1985-Alien Abduction of Whitley Strieber

1987-The Ilkley Moor Alien Photograph

Salter Abduction-the Benevolent Aliens

1989-The Manhattan Alien Abduction

1993-Kelly Cahill Alien Abduction


How can I have a reasonable debate with you, when you either know nothing of the phenomena or are just making up ideas to fit your perspective? You resort to ad hom persecution and laughter as a way of defending your arguements!



Why was nearly every space mission followed by UFO's? Debris doesn't cut it for every single mission and what was seen.

Why have so many professional MOD UFO investigators change their stance to believer after studing the phenonena properly?
See MOD UFO Investigato Nick Pope,
theres plenty more...

If you actually care for truth not just defending an idea then go and do some research.

When you guys can reasonably address some of these issues then I will listen. Saying "a radar can have errors" or "wheres the videos" is meaningless in the face of this epic phenomena and the vast amount of supporting data.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
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Your reply does NOT answer any of the questions posed to you


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
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I have first hand experience so I know

Yeah, I've read your claim that an alien ship landed 50 feet in front of you and some friends. But none of you had a cell phone with you. And thousands of other such claimants also had no cell phones among them.

You know what? I don't believe you. :thumbdown:

Heres a picture of the craft seen in the Belgium incident.

Another fuzzy pic that could be anything. Nevermind that there were THOUSANDS of witnesses over many days. I guess they don't have cell phones in Belgium. But apparently they do have a lot of shitty cameras. :shrug:

abduction scenario

Your abduction stories? Yah, STORIES. With no physical evidence. No torn sphincter or ruptured hemorrhoid form the anal probe has ever been produced at a hospital.

Then again, alien KY Jelly might be really slippery. :whoa:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
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Of course not, its not faith, I have first hand experience so I KNOW

Do I hear echos of Markos?:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
How can I have a reasonable debate with you, when you either know nothing of the phenomena or are just making up ideas to fit your perspective? You resort to ad hom persecution and laughter as a way of defending your arguements!


Yea :grin::rofl::rotfl:

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
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Quote:
I'm sure you will deny all this though to fit your idea's.


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When you guys can reasonably address some of these issues then I will listen. Saying "a radar can have errors" or "wheres the videos" is meaningless in the face of this epic phenomena and the vast amount of supporting data.


Ok, Diploid, ok.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I have.

What questions in specific would u like me to answer, that I missed?

I answer ANYTHING, unlike you guys with your assertions that are based on no experience, no research, bad logic and herd mentality.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
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What questions in specific would u like me to answer

Why aren't there any reports of alien abductions before the invention of TV and radio?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
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Hey, i answered that one, because thats when the aliens arrived a bit coincidental i agree but what of it? they only found us in the fifties or maybe they only decided to visit then.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: straasha]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_UFO_sightings

How would we know about them before TV and radio?

Theres data but of course its not as reliable as technological data but that goes hand in hand with the invention of technology :confused:

What about societies that are not influenced by TV?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=77Lk3BW1OL4

Anyway, how does one question make you disregard the entire phenomena?

What about everything else I posted?  Do you assume that it must be all TV and radio delusions despite what I said about the Belgium incident etc.

Your just nit-picking and ignoring the bigger picture.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
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HEY! I ANSWERED THAT QUESTION! are ya all just goin' to ignore me? it's pretty plausible

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: straasha]
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Well, see, that's my problem with the whole visitation thing. You need too many assumptions to make alien visitation make sense.

*First they travel faster than light, which is almost-certainly impossible.

*And if they can somehow manage that incredible feat, why can't they avoid radar detection?

*And how can it be that such an advanced civilization can't avoid being photographed.

*And if they don't really care about being photographed or seen on radar, then why don't they just land and say hello?

*Next they coincidentally arrive just as movies about UFOs are hitting the screen. Nevermind that the Earth is 5 billion years old. They just happened to pick 1950 or so.

*Then they have to be able to avoid detection by hundreds of astronomical telescopes all over the planet and even one in space.

*Now add to that the 100% lack of physical evidence.

*Then you have to accept that these things crash everywhere except in countries that wouldn't care about making the crash site available to journalists.

*And then you have to assume that none has ever crashed in Iran or some place like that that would LOVE the international attention such an incident would bring them.

And so on and so on...

Too many assumptions and too much faith is required.

When someone comes up with alien hair or skin or whatever that doesn't have DNA, then the skeptics will sit up and listen. Stories, fuzzy pics, and radar returns from temperature inversions and birds (which happen ALL THE TIME) don't impress us much.

Physical evidence. Is that really so much for an honest seeker of truth to demand before believing?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: straasha]
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straasha said:
they only found us in the fifties


*40's

Google, "Foo Fighters"... not the band... the WWII sightings.

Also, there were sightings in Russia before WWII... but the ships were NOT saucer shaped... they looked like... CIGARS!

UFO's have been around for eons... imagine the prehistoric first sighting's of Haley's comet...

Flying saucer sightings began around the time Hollywood (and comic books) decided alien ships looked like saucers.

Coincidence?

I think not.

My point?

Do your research.

There have been UFO's for ages... but that does NOT make them alien.

I side with Diploid on this one but... welcome to The Shroomery straasha. It is nice to have a believer in our midst. Don't let us nay-sayers get you down... different opinions keep this forum lively.


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
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How would we know about them before TV and radio?

This is good. You answer my question with a question immediately after saying: "I answer ANYTHING, unlike you guys"

Well, I actually do answer questions posed to me in debate. The answer to your question is: the same way we know about 5,000 year old ancient China. Through historical writings.

There are no alien abductions in Chinese history that I'm aware of. None in ANY 100+ year old history, that I'm aware of.

Anyway, how does one question make you disregard the entire phenomena?

I start just with one question because you don't address them and it takes time to type them. When a pointed question is posed, you say shit like:

Quote:
Your just nit-picking


And true to form, I'm still waiting for an answer.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
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Yet you have assumptions too, thats what you fail to see.

You assume faster than light travel is impossible. To assume this is to say that you have the ultimate understanding of our universe!

Maybe they can manage radar detection. Maybe some species do. Maybe some don't care. Who knows? Same for photos.

Quote:
Why don't they land and say hello

Thats just filled with assumption it itself and you consider that a reason against the phenomena?

Your reasoning is filled with assumptions but yet people keep coming forward with more and more evidence.

Nothing as clear cut as your asking for, especially in an unknown phenomena.

Fact is, something real is happening. Be it ET, government clones beings, inter dimensional beings - nobody knows.

But the whole advanced craft thing. The saucer thing. Its real. I've seen them. Thousands of other people have seen them. You have the right to disregard human testimony. I have the right to tell you your wrong.

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