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Re: Debunkism as a Lifestyle [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
No.. I'm just saying.. if your beliefs are destroying beliefs.. what is sacred?




You choose what is sacred to you, I choose what is sacred to me; and unless it is brought up in this forum, never the twain shall meet. :wink:


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Re: Debunkism as a Lifestyle [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I don't think that logic and rationality are implicitly tied to incredulous and condescending attitudes, but many incredulous, condescending and closed-minded people attempt to use them to justify their own beliefs. I personally think beliefs prevent the mind from being free, and a particularly malignant one is taking for granted what you believe to be 'empirical' and then trying to discount everything that doesn't go well with your comfy philosophy.

The irony is that most skeptical people make plenty of unprovable assumptions leaning towards materialism. Yet, is there really any more logic in believing that a consistent universe is formed from matter, than believing it is formed from conscious energy? We cannot prove either, and many forget that we really have no absolute certainty to base any ideas at all. We could all be brains in a jar. But still we can make rational explanations and it's not fair to say that explanations rooted in physical science win by defualt.

The problem I see is when you posit 'skeptic' or 20th century materialist view onto an ambigous reality. Sure, the opposite happens plenty as well, but few of them try to wrap themselves in the guise of reason and exempt themselves from their own skepticism. What this is really about is a double standard because those who feel they are on the scientific high ground seem to think that they are above bias.

I think reason is very important, and I also think that the whole 'believe whatever you want' thing is ridiculous and irresponsible. Ideas must stand to reason, but neither materialism nor spiritual systems have a monopoly of it. They each only a school of thought and despite what some think, philosophies are not objective.


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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Debunkism as a Lifestyle [Re: Shroomism]
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Without reading any of these subsequent replies yet, as I don't wish to lose my train of thought... :grin:

Shroomism said:
Do people get some kind of satisfaction out of shooting down other people beliefs, experiences, and opinions?



I think it is questionable whether or not anyone perceived as acting in such a manner do feel some sort of satisfaction out of doing so, and also that it is questionable if these people perceived as acting in such a manner actually perceive themselves as acting that way. I also call into question whether or not this is actually even happening in the first place. :smirk:

Even then, under the assumption that it has been happening and that the person is consciously aware that they are acting in exactly that manner, if they do derive a sense of satisfaction from doing so... so fucking what? :grin: I would seem to think that some sort of satisfaction is derived by everyone (as in, some aspect of each individual, it isn't as if individuals are actually one singular state of existance :wink:) from whatever manner it is in which they are interacting with their environment. Do you derive satisfaction from your own pursuits? Does that imply a negative trait about yourself? :shocked:

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What do you hope to gain from this practice, if you practice it?



Whatever it is that one wishes to gain from whatever practice. We are crazy critters like that. :lol:

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Are you so sure that your subjective perception is so assuredly correct and perfect as to be infallible and universally applied to all beliefs and experiences that fall under any related categories?

Isn't that called self-righteousness?



No, it is simply that of being a human being that has a subjective meaning applied to itself that interacts with the environment in which the human being exists and is an aspect of. I think it is a brazen, ignorant assumption for one to assume the motivations and intentions of another. :thumbdown: To do such is for oneself to think that their interpretation of reality is infalliable and universally applied. :shocked: :rolleyes:

Ironic value can be appreciated here in that the way that a person sees the other person is merely the result of who the person doing the interpretation themself is. Your reality is more a reflection of yourself than your environment (which is an aspect of and is a result of one's environment! :nut: You thought time existed? :lol:).

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That all religion, spirituality, and philosophy can be explained utterly and completely, by primitive.. empirical science? And if it cannot.. then it must be a fallacy?

I think that's a lot of nonsense.



Just as I think it is a lot of nonsense for it to be implied that people here are thinking through such a concept. :confused: The meaning something has is a result of one's experience. To think that one would represent one abstraction through another would transform the abstraction that is being represented. Everything stands on its own. :grin:

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Discuss.



I wish to thank you for actually letting us discuss this one. :wink:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

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