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 Re: Why debunk?  [Re: Asante]
#7840098 - 01/06/08 03:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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How many could using straightforward logic and clear thinking have prevented?
You do realize you're one of the biggest Believers yourself right?
What if logic is only a crutch to cope with a reality we cannot possibly understand? What if logic itself was incorrect?
Wiccan, most times I'm not in disagreement with you, but criticism of logic, or any process, without demonstrating a superior/alternative process is the philosophical equivalent of fucking with someone. It's not nice. Logic has been around for thousands of years, even before some Greek guys decided to name it "logic", and has stood the test of time. We would have found out if it was wrong by now.
Now, by wrong, that's a big question. Logic cannot be applied to every situation, but where it is applicable, it is good.
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Icelander]
#7840113 - 01/06/08 03:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What?
Thats clearly OC's opinion. No mater what evidence I present him with he sticks to the they are all delusional argument.
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Icelander
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
#7840120 - 01/06/08 03:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is not "clearly" his opinion, it is yours. He never said any such thing. How about you trying to be a little more rational in your posting.
Your "evidence".
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Ego Death
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Icelander]
#7840139 - 01/06/08 03:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can only go on what he displays. What he says in response to me.
What the hell else am I supposed to think.
If someone tells me they are white then I can only assume they are either white or lying.
You can laugh all you want at what astronauts see or what radars corroborate but I trust them over your opinion.
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Icelander]
#7840151 - 01/06/08 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyway how would you know what has been said between me and OC? WTF?
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Icelander
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
#7840166 - 01/06/08 03:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can only go on what he displays. What he says in response to me.
What the hell else am I supposed to think.
You can make up any defensive stance you want to in regards to him but he is debating issues here and debunking your so called "evidence" The fact that he successfully disputes your weak position is not him saying he is the only logical person here. You are just whining and being defensive. Get over it.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Icelander]
#7840176 - 01/06/08 03:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think my position is weak though.
If highly qualified people that work in the field see UFOs, surely there opinions are better than 1 person on the shroomery.
Surely a radar is not going to lie?
If I am weak for thinking this then yes I am weak.
Defensive, weak, whining - all ego words.
How about response, poor argument, persistent?
Edited by Ego Death (01/06/08 04:21 PM)
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How many could using straightforward logic and clear thinking have prevented?
None.
What could not have been prevented?
All of those things happened.
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
#7840260 - 01/06/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Surely a radar is not going to lie?
I was a radar tech in the US Navy for 3 years and had a SECRET clearance on a nuclear-equipped cruiser. Anyone else here with a similar qualification?
Radar neither tells the truth nor lies, it sends a brief, but powerful microwave pulse then 'listens' for so many milliseconds and approximates the returned energy on a screen. The returned signal passes through many stages of HIGHLY-TUNED rf and digital processing.
Rain, clouds, temperature inversions or mistuned receivers can all paint erroneous pictures. I have seen faulty equipment paint pictures that were hundreds of miles off and give erroneous speed readings.
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Anything can have error, but whats the chances that 2 separate radar stations will have the same error at the same time and corroborate with f-16 lock-ons and pilot visuals plus hundreds of ground witnesses that also produce photo and video?
See Belgium mass sighting.
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
#7840471 - 01/06/08 05:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Which of the following is true?
Radar accurately tells the operator:
1. The size of the object.
2. The material from which the object is made.
3. The shape of the object.
4. The point of origin of the object.
5. Who or what is manning the object.
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AnastomosisJihad
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The Nazi extermination thing was completely logical, coldblooded even.
If they managed to pull it off, leaving only white people to populate the planet, then there would not be all the immigration and racial violence problems we have today. There would be very few bad neighborhoods, fewer violent crimes, no fighting in the middle east, higher test scores all around... It was all very calculated and rational.
That damn sure did not make it right!
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OrgoneConclusion
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Once again, their basic premise was wrong: that the Jews were responsible for Germany's economic woes in the 20s and 30s.
Garbage in: garbage out.
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Rose
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/Me yawns...
Debunking bullshit is the only way to...
... wait for it...
... DEBUNK BULLSHIT!
History has shown that people who follow and LEARN FROM the science and the KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR TIME are more accurate than...
... wait for it...
... People who don't.
'nuff said.
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Fiddlesticks.
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Huehuecoyotl
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It might amuse you to debunk things. You might feel a sense of accomplishment, but in the end it is as meaningless as the things that you are debunking. There is no social service performed....your just passing the time.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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OrgoneConclusion
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The War on Drugs is more likely to end if:
A. Nothing is done.
B. The public is educated and learns to apply critical thinking to the financial and social ramifications of having the largest percentage prison population in the world?
Are you saying that education has no value? Does critical thinking have no value?
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Huehuecoyotl
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To most Americans drugs are a big bugaboo. They don't want to end the war on drugs. They support it.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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PhanTomCat
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Did you ever read Diploid's post on the flock of birds that nearly everyone with him (dozens of witnesses) declared to be a UFO and held fast to that conclusion even when he showed them clear evidence to the contrary.
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This tells us what about the human psyche?
Dozens....?
Exaggeration is also part of the human psyche, for some reason....
But then also, memories fade, and bits of info are sometimes manifested and included upon recall - this is understood....
I looked up Diploid's post because I DID remember it, I just didn't remember a defined number of people in his group....
I found two, a little less than 2.5 years apart....
From 2005:
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Diploid said:
I was out one night a few years ago camping with some friends in northern Florida when a.............
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Note that EVERYONE in the group, including me, saw a clear triangular outline of a craft which turned out to be an optical illusion resulting from the brain's tendency to fill in the blanks when a piece of a pattern is missing.
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Had these birds changed direction before we could identify them, I'm sure several in our group would have jumped to a wrong conclusion and sung their story of a near miss with visiting aliens for the rest of their lives.
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From 2007:
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I was deep in the Florida Everglades last night photographing nocturnal birds with a new lens I bought for that purpose. As usual, there was a small, friendly crowd of bird watchers there.
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It was close to new moon, so it was very dark. Suddenly one of the other bird watchers starts yelling and pointing at something in the sky. We all looked and saw the bizarre object. "It's an alien ship!", several people exclaimed.
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I was completely baffled by the irregular triangle of dim lights traveling slowly in perfect formation. It made no sound even though it seemed to be fairly close. The lights blinked randomly, dimming then getting brighter in no discernible pattern. The edges of the triangle could be seen faintly glowing.
Link
I am left to wonder how "dozens" of people were extrapolated out of "a small crowd", and "a group".....
And how one could be baffled the second time around with something so distinctly memorable.... 
>^;;^<
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OrgoneConclusion
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You failed to answer my question, oh great stalker.
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Rose
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Huehuecoyotl said:
It might amuse you to debunk things. You might feel a sense of accomplishment, but in the end it is as meaningless as the things that you are debunking. There is no social service performed....your just passing the time.
Woah... wait a minute.
If you debunk something you're JUST passing the time? (BTW... it is you'RE not your.)
Debunking performs NO social service?
BULLSHIT.
The Earth IS round.
Aryans are NOT better than Jews.
Apples fall DOWN from trees.
... etc.
Debunking is the world's way of removing BULLSHIT from the lexicon of man.
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Fiddlesticks.
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