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Darwin theory debunked
    #11174816 - 10/03/09 02:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Scientists today announced the discovery of the oldest fossil skeleton of a human ancestor. The find reveals that our forebears underwent a previously unknown stage of evolution more than a million years before Lucy, the iconic early human ancestor specimen that walked the Earth 3.2 million years ago.

The centerpiece of a treasure trove of new fossils, the skeleton—assigned to a species called Ardipithecus ramidus—belonged to a small-brained, 110-pound (50-kilogram) female nicknamed "Ardi." (See pictures of Ardipithecus ramidus.)

The fossil puts to rest the notion, popular since Darwin's time, that a chimpanzee-like missing link—resembling something between humans and today's apes—would eventually be found at the root of the human family tree. Indeed, the new evidence suggests that the study of chimpanzee anatomy and behavior—long used to infer the nature of the earliest human ancestors—is largely irrelevant to understanding our beginnings.

Ardi instead shows an unexpected mix of advanced characteristics and of primitive traits seen in much older apes that were unlike chimps or gorillas (interactive: Ardi's key features). As such, the skeleton offers a window on what the last common ancestor of humans and living apes might have been like.

Announced at joint press conferences in Washington, D.C., and Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, the analysis of the Ardipithecus ramidus bones will be published in a collection of papers tomorrow in a special edition of the journal Science, along with an avalanche of supporting materials published online.

"This find is far more important than Lucy," said Alan Walker, a paleontologist from Pennsylvania State University who was not part of the research. "It shows that the last common ancestor with chimps didn't look like a chimp, or a human, or some funny thing in between." (Related: "Oldest Homo Sapiens Fossils Found, Experts Say" [June 11, 2003].
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html


So, what do you all think of this situation?


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: blah]
    #11174823 - 10/03/09 02:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think you need to learn how to title a thread. :rolleyes:


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: blah]
    #11174990 - 10/03/09 03:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've always thought we were much more like baboons.:thumbup:


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: blah]
    #11175262 - 10/03/09 04:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

With this latest "discovery" of Ardi last week mankind has gotten a few million years older.  how is this possible?


If science keeps debunking itself why are there so many skeptics who need empirical evidence to comfort their perceptions?


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175272 - 10/03/09 04:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Science does not debunk itself because it claims no final truth.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: Icelander]
    #11175320 - 10/03/09 04:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

but people put absolute belief in science


science does create absolute truth they are called "laws" this fossil find isn't a law, but it a point on perception none the least.


A few hundred years ago we thought light radiated from our eyes, it was the final truth.  later after tapping his eye socket with an Ice pick another scientist debunked that truth.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175334 - 10/03/09 04:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

but people put absolute belief in science


Who gives a fuck, that's their problem.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: Icelander]
    #11175383 - 10/03/09 04:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:


Who gives a fuck, that's their problem.




I wish it were that easy.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175416 - 10/03/09 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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cyb3rtr0n said:
but people put absolute belief in science





Yo momma does.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: blah]
    #11175418 - 10/03/09 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It just reflects what has long been thought; that chimpanzees and humans have a common ancestor.
Not that humans came from chimpanzees, a common misunderstanding, but that chimpanzees and humans shared a similar ancestor.

We've just taken it a step closer to what that common ancestor might look like physiologically.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175420 - 10/03/09 04:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

cyb3rtr0n said:
Quote:

Icelander said:


Who gives a fuck, that's their problem.




I wish it were that easy.




Yo momma is.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175426 - 10/03/09 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

cyb3rtr0n said:
Quote:

Icelander said:


Who gives a fuck, that's their problem.




I wish it were that easy.




It's that easy for me. I've mastered that.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175438 - 10/03/09 04:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

cyb3rtr0n said:
With this latest "discovery" of Ardi last week mankind has gotten a few million years older.  how is this possible?


If science keeps debunking itself why are there so many skeptics who need empirical evidence to comfort their perceptions?





Ummm our estimations were wrong?

Plus some paleoanthropologists have been saying for years a more orangutan-like tree-dweller was closer to our real ape-like ancestor.

How does underestimating the age of a species "debunk" Darwin's theories of evolution, natural selection, and punctuated equilibrium?

Science is the PURSUIT of truth.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: Mchaggis]
    #11175463 - 10/03/09 04:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Science explains patterns throughout history, based on other observed patterns.

religion is also the pursuit of truth.

whats the difference? One gives a name for the unknown, and the other just assumes it knows?


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175488 - 10/03/09 04:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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religion is also the pursuit of truth.




Religion is the anti-truth. There is no pursuit, only swallowing.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11175494 - 10/03/09 04:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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religion is also the pursuit of truth.




Religion is the anti-truth. There is no pursuit, only swallowing.




prove it.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175536 - 10/03/09 04:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

make him


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: Icelander]
    #11175544 - 10/03/09 04:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I don't need to.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175554 - 10/03/09 04:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Then he don't need to.


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Re: Darwin theory debunked [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11175640 - 10/03/09 05:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

cyb3rtr0n said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
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religion is also the pursuit of truth.




Religion is the anti-truth. There is no pursuit, only swallowing.




prove it.




How many more times? Truth converges. Falsehood diverges. There are some 10,000 sects of Christianity alone.


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