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straasha
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Maybe There's Someone Pulling You're Leg...
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Ego Death
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
#7849057 - 01/08/08 05:03 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I say your just nit-picking because the same as OC's points, you take one aspect "radar" and that allows you to throw away everything???
I can't explain everything! All I can do is say look at the MASS of evidence.
You come up with one theory against it and that makes you ignore everything else.
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Rose
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Evidence is not proof. Or it would be called PROOF.
UFO's are not identified... or they'd be called IFO's.
Assuming a UFO is an alien ship is a leap of FAITH.
Evidence schmevidence!
I HAVE seen a UFO. And YES... I was sober.
I do NOT believe I saw an alien ship, but I honest-to-God DO NOT know WHAT I saw!
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: straasha]
#7849078 - 01/08/08 05:05 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Who's pulling my leg?
My first hand experience? The experience of separate cultures reporting remarkably similar phenomena? The separate radar towers? The pilots? The astronauts? The MOD's own investigator that turns believer?
We are all just delusional? If I'm gonna think like that, then every things a delusion from the second I wake each day.
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You assume faster than light travel is impossible.
No, I assume faster than light is almost-certainly impossible.
See, this is the source of our conflict. You don't bother to CAREFULLY read what people say. You skim over things and invent something that was not said, then you twist it until you convince yourself that what was [not] said was nonsense.
Read carefully. Until you respect me enough to do that, I'm reluctant to keep engaging you. I take great care to communicate precisely, and that takes too much effort for someone who isn't even paying attention.
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straasha
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Rose]
#7849087 - 01/08/08 05:06 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Amen!
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Ego Death
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
#7849120 - 01/08/08 05:10 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Read carefully. Until you respect me enough to do that, I'm reluctant to keep engaging you. It takes too much effort and you're not even paying attention.
I feel the same.
Whats the difference?
OK, so the majority of your mind is made up - BASED ON OUR CURRENT UNDERSTANDING.
So what if theres a small part of you that says it could be wrong?
Thats not enough, you really think you understand enough about this universe to be qualified to say its Quote:
almost-certainly impossible
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I don't.
Theres infinite possibility. Extra-dimensional travel for instance? Even science recognizes that.
Then theres, maybe they are not ET. Maybe they planet hopped. Maybe they have incredibly long life spans. Who knows?
These theories don't stop me from seeing whats there.
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Rose
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Quote:
Ego Death said:
OK, so the majority of your mind is made up - BASED ON OUR CURRENT UNDERSTANDING.
?Que?
What OTHER understanding can we go by?
Our PAST understandings have evolved... and our FUTURE understandings have YET TO BE UNDERSTOOD... or even proven.
We live in the NOW.
Follow the PROOF... not the EVIDENCE.
Tomorrow may bring different proof... but until it does YOU ARE UNFOUNDED in your belief.
You have FAITH. Good for you. You have FAITH.
FAITH is NOT PROOF.
I want to believe... but I DON'T want to believe the nut cases.
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Edited by Rose (01/08/08 05:44 PM)
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Rose]
#7849392 - 01/08/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Notice how ED said thousands of observers cannot all be wrong/delusional at the same time. When I proved an incident and directly asked multiple times he FAILED to respond.
Take every single ED quote in this thread and a variation of it along with scathing anti-skeptic rhetoric was applied to:
The Gulf Breeze Sightings - debunked
The Face on Mars - debunked
The Roswell Incident - yes, debunked though UFO nuts will not let this go because of a newspaper headline.
The Marfa Lights - debunked
The Alien Autopsy - debunked
The Phoenix Lights - debunked
Now whether or not ED believed in any of these incidents is secondary. The banter between believers and skeptics was NEARLY IDENTICAL and when the skeptics prevailed, did the beleivers change their stance or thank the skeptics for opening their eyes?
Nope. The standard response was TO PRETEND IT NEVER HAPPENED and to grab on the the most current story and wave it about as factual.
Rinse. Repeat.
Skeptics: 3,106
Believers: 0
Can it be any more lopsided? Can you guys not get even one right?
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... and don't get me started on conspiracy theorists...
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Rose]
#7849456 - 01/08/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Hey are you two in cahoots?
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Rose
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Heh... I'm the Swiss. I keep MY opinion to myself.

Actually, I think I sit somewhere between you and Org.
I'm a middle-ground-skeptic.
You, Ice, sit in the shallow end...
And Org... he went off the deep end LONG ago.
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No, I gave up cross-dressing years ago.
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Rose]
#7849582 - 01/08/08 06:24 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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You, Ice, sit in the shallow end...
That's because Icelander likes to play with his ducky.
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Rose
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OrgoneConclusion said: No, I gave up cross-dressing years ago.
When your shoulders are wider than your hips... it is hard to find a cute dress to wear.
May I suggest a blouse and a skirt?
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Icelander said: That's because Icelander likes to play with his ducky.
What the duck are you talking about?
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
#7850007 - 01/08/08 07:51 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Diploid said: But none of you had a cell phone with you. And thousands of other such claimants also had no cell phones among them.
I am not on a side here, but I have to say that I have never owned a cell phone, and **most likely** never will.... And approaching my forties, I got my first camera a few months ago (and it ROX..!).... Has nothing to do with not being able to afford either, I just didn't....  Not completely unbelievable....
Directed towards no one.... And as I am seeing what happens when one makes a claim of any kind of "supernatural phenomenon", it makes it difficult to justify making a claim if I was to actually experience something "special".... I don't see anything positive out of telling anyone anything....
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
#7852445 - 01/09/08 05:45 AM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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I've covered this before, but lemme do it again because it's apropos to the thread.
A while back some UFO proponents came across this ancient Egyptian (I think it was Egyptian) art which caused a stir because it was so persuasive.

Looks like ET, no? It does to me too. A genuine ancient painting of ET would go a long way toward convincing me, so I followed up on the claims to see if it was time to consider changing my mind about alien visitation.
Turns out, as it often seems to where UFO proponents are involved, they were bending the facts to support their pre-conclusions.
Here's a wider shot of the same painting:

Not ET, but a flower pot.
Here's a different image further illustrating my point:

Why all the fact bending, hoaxing, and lying? I don't get it. What benefit do the UFO people get from making up stories of paintings, landings, abductions, and all the rest?
I don't see this happening in any other area of research.
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
#7852712 - 01/09/08 09:05 AM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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I don't see this happening in any other area of research.
Then you're not looking hard enough. I think this shit happens in every field of human endeavor.
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Re: Why debunk? [Re: Diploid]
#7852963 - 01/09/08 10:23 AM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah, but the first image was that of an alien flower pot.
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how do you debunk WWII? I can prove it happened.
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