Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags by Magic Bag   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 |  [ show all ]
Why debunk?
    #7838937 -

Would the world really be better without:

UFOs

Xtenze male enhancement

Nessie

Ghosts

Creationism

and so on?



Myths and fantasy stories can be fun, but let's look at this from another angle:

Would the War on Drugs be possible if everyone had the facts and used critical thinking?

Would World War II have been possible if ALL countries put aside emotionalism and used critical thinking?

What about tribalism, racism and sexism?

Would there be a hundred thousand religions?

Would Jonestown and Heaven's Gate have been possible?

Add to this list the almost limitless stupid, destructive things that man has done to himself and others.

How many could using straightforward logic and clear thinking have prevented? What could not have been prevented?


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7838955 -

The strange thing about your post is that you say we should put aside emotionalism but your whole argument is an appeal to emotions, equating those with specific beliefs to World War II. Do you have a critical argument to make?


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7838970 -

Not hating, not killing, not imprisoning, not wasting billions of dollars seem like practical and not emotional issues to this poster.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7839005 -

Quote:
How many could using straightforward logic and clear thinking have prevented?



You do realize you're one of the biggest Believers yourself right?

What if logic is only a crutch to cope with a reality we cannot possibly understand? What if logic itself was incorrect?

What did Nessie ever do to you :mad:
I don't think the complete annihilation of mankind on all imaginable levels can be blamed on a charming legend about a friendly sheep-stealing sea dragon that resides in a lake.

Mankind would be lost without its believers and dreamers, that;s where we'd be. There would be no arts and music. Logic can be every bit as much a prison as other beliefs can be.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

Edited by Asante (01/06/08 11:59 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: Asante]
    #7839032 -

Quote:
What if logic itself was incorrect?


Then, silly Wiccan, we would not be communicating in this fashion.

Here is a question/issue that you may identify with. Is gay-bashing more likely to occur from using critical thinking or from emotionalism and borrowed beliefs?

Straight answer (no pun intended) please!


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7839072 -

This post doesn't appear very logical or clear thinking?

From UFOs to world war 2?

People reporting what they perceive is very different from a man wanting to rule the world by violence.

What your really saying is if everyone thought the same then we'd all get along?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7839088 -

I suspect that Orgone wouldn't mind a world full of robots. :assimilate:

:smirk:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7839090 -

Quote:
People reporting what they perceive is very different from a man wanting to rule the world by violence.


First off, people do NOT merely report what they perceive (a light in the sky), but what they conclude (it was from another star system).

A misperception (Jews caused 1930 Germany's ills) is a misperception (military flares are an alien mothership). Both are the result of flawed thinking.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7839099 -

Quote:
I suspect that Orgone wouldn't mind a world full of robots.


A perfect example of a flawed conclusion.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7839104 -

Lighten up mister. :sun:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7839142 -

Quote:
What your really saying is if everyone thought the same then we'd all get along?


Depends what you mean by thought the same. If we all knew that 1 + 1 = 2 and other basic math, then you could purchase an item anywhere and get correct change. How horrible would that be?

If we all used a similar alphabet, words, definitions and rules of grammar, we could more or less communicate.

If we used a common system of music notation, I could write a song and you could play it. Or I could export a MIDI file to you and you could play it. I could even send you a CD and it would likely play on your computer.

Yes, similarity and commonly accepted rules, weights, measurements, & protocols makes for a lifeless robotic world. :rolleyes:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7839158 -

Quote:
Is gay-bashing more likely to occur from using critical thinking or from emotionalism and borrowed beliefs?


Counter-question: are raisin buns more likely to occur from critical thinking or from baking?

Critical thinking doesn't bash gays, but it doesn't bake bread either. Critical thinking cannot do it all. For the average person it is best to walk the middle road, and have a bit of everything but not too much or too little of any single one.

Quote:
Then, silly Wiccan, we would not be communicating in this fashion.


Why not? We could be flat out wrong. Our eyes give us an interpretation of what light can do with objects, and our ears give an impression what soundwaves are like. All we have are approximations of what might be going on, we have not one solid truth so everything is subject to interpretation.

Would you agree that your highest truth could be in error?

Because that Orgone is an even greater good than the logic and rationality you so defend: If we all could admit that our highest truth might be a falsehood, only then can real critical thinking commence.

And the follies of radicalized belief AND radicalized logic could well come undone. Instead of radicalizing, we are adopting a more neutral stance and see ourselves and our actions in a more moderate light.

Once people entertain the notion that none of us can have certainty of absolute truth, they won't strap on the bomb belt of religion, and won't logic together Final Solutions for societal issues.

Admit to yourself that anything you hold as true may be false and then meet the people with the most exotic beliefs as an equal, instead of from an ivory tower.

As we may all be wrong, we are all equals and we can all come down from our ivory towers. If the entire would would "snap out of it" like that the world peace you and I so crave for will become a reality.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
personal empowerment for the world

:nyan: LGBT - Love God Before Tradition :nyan:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7839192 -

Quote:
First off, people do NOT merely report what they perceive (a light in the sky), but what they conclude (it was from another star system).


Now your saying everyone comes to the same conclusion?

If a strange being appears then saying its ET is really a fair conclusion.

If you see a strange being getting out of a highly advanced craft, what would you call it?  A jellyfish :smirk:

How can you complain about conclusions when you conclude that they are all lying or delusional?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7839235 -

My ex-girlfriend woke-up at 3 AM, saw an almond-eyed alien hovering over her shortly after reading Strieber's "Communion" and then the alien disappeared when she sat up.

The MOST likely conclusion is... ?


Did you ever read Diploid's post on the flock of birds that nearly everyone with him (dozens of witnesses) declared to be a UFO and held fast to that conclusion even when he showed them clear evidence to the contrary.

This tells us what about the human psyche?

If you want a REAL discussion, then please address these situations before returning to your normally scheduled program.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7840000 -

AlteredAgain said:
Lighten up mister. :sun:


How about making a decent debate then. You make a statement (of sorts) and you get a coherent answer and you start to whine.:hissyfit:

Get over yourself.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7840017 -

whoaaaaaaaa you blew my mind!


--------------------
The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7840031 -

Ego Death said:
What your really saying is if everyone thought the same then we'd all get along?


I thought he was saying we should keep our minds open.


--------------------
The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7840036 -

Well if I had to base my answer as to "why debunk" on the responses in this thread I would have to say so I can maintain a slight belief that humans are the tiniest bit rational. :monkeydance:

Keep up the good work OC.:thumbup:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (01/06/08 03:12 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7840082 -

I wouldn't declare an imagined alien real though.

I woke up in the night and felt someone sit on my bed, I turned on the light and nobody was there. My conclusion? Dream states are powerful.

I saw ghosts while tripping on shrooms. Conclusion? I was tripping.

But does this mean we disregard the entire alien phenomena? Doing so is not logic in my eyes.

I saw a big saucer with lights all around it land in a field, my friends saw it, we found physical evidence. My conclusion? What I saw was as real as I am.


Your right, some people are not very good at discerning reality but that doesn't give you the right to say that everybody apart from yourself is not good at discerning reality.

Theres many highly skeptical and objective people that once studied the phenomena in depth are forced to say "something real is happening".

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Why debunk? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7840096 -

Your right, some people are not very good at discerning reality but that doesn't give you the right to say that everybody apart from yourself is not good at discerning reality.

Do you just make shit up as you go along?:monkeydance:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 |  [ show all ]

Shop: MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags by Magic Bag   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Please debunk this chemtrail documentary for me
( 1 2 3 4 ... 18 19 )		 ChiefGreenLeaf 22,214 364 07/15/09 10:39 AM
by Arden
* Criss Angel debunks Tarot & Astrology
( 1 2 all )		 OrgoneConclusion 13,853 37 08/04/07 08:59 AM
by Rhizoid
* "You are just a debunker!"
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )		 OrgoneConclusion 5,211 84 12/15/08 09:14 AM
by Booby
* Debunking as a Profession
( 1 2 3 all )		 Swami 3,634 40 12/13/08 05:53 PM
by Grapefruit
* Darwin theory debunked
( 1 2 all )		 blah 2,431 28 10/03/09 04:00 PM
by DieCommie
* Debunked: Top Ten Reasons Science is Another Religion
( 1 2 all )		 Ped 1,978 27 10/20/14 03:57 PM
by Icelander
* Debunkism as a Lifestyle
( 1 2 3 all )		 ShroomismM 4,715 42 09/23/05 12:12 AM
by fireworks_god
* debunking of myths and alternative truths
( 1 2 all )		 redgreenvines 835 32 06/23/20 07:23 AM
by Buster_Brown

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
8,930 topic views. 2 members, 139 guests and 42 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.03 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 17 queries.