Icelander said:
Well, I've already told you how to find the 2nd and 3rd. If that means nothing, what would be the point of giving you an exercise to find the 6th and 7th?
I'm just not sure I believe there are charkas. I can show someone where tension etc. is in their body and then call it something and make a religion out of it by stating there are goals (6th and 7th) that are only attainable by the spiritual elite.
I understand. When I first started meditating, it took 2 weeks of meditating every day to get to the point where I though, perhaps, there was something else going on other than imagination or mind created tension. I stuck with it because I previously had an experience which I couldn't explain, and it lead me to the chakra model. I REALLY wanted to find out what was going on, and I figured millions of people must be privy to something.
I can assure you emotional expression through the chakras is not tension. The more relaxed I am, the stronger the sensation. Tension can also be explained through the chakra model. Part of the mind is attempting to express emotion through a specific chakra, part of the mind is resisting emotional expression. So this conflict prevents the emotion from creating a pure expression, but the emotion isn't simply going to dissapear. Instead of a natural flow of emotional energy, the energy bleeds of into the physical body resulting in tension. If the body releases more emotion than the it can handle, tension occurs. This is why some people will cry when they get in a fight and some people will remain calm. Traditional meditation isn't necessary. Being an experienced fighter could be said to be a form of meditation. You deal with that energy enough times and your capacity to handle it grows.
There are a couple other things I can mention. About 6 months after I started meditating, I laid down to meditate. I had experienced my lower chakras in an undenyable way, but there was still some denial. In other words, I REALLY wanted to prove there was more going on than whimsical thought patterns. So I get my lower 4 chakras open, which was a personal best for me, and I just keep pushing it. It was perhaps the most blissful experience I'd had to date, and I was totally straight. My body felt like it was about to explode or something, and I started to get the idea that perhaps I should stop. So I sat up, and noticed that my whole body was vibrating, and I immedeatley broke out in a cold sweat. It felt very much like being knocked up on cold medicine during the middle of a bad flu, except without the congestion or scratchy throat. I felt quite sick. What I did was to get my chakras too open. I wasn't ready to "channel" that much energy, and it left me very sensitive. Later that day, I tried to meditate again, and about 30 seconds into it, a bolt of kundalini shot up into my head. Immediate searing pain and dizzyness. For about 30 minutes I though perhaps I had gone insane. I REALLY felt insane, like I knew exactly what it ment to be clinically bonkers. After a few hours of calming down, I realised that perhaps they wouldn't take me away, and I might return to normal eventually. It took about 10 days to feel normal again. During this time, I was too sensitive to meditate, but on the plus side I felt extremely good, relaxed in a way I had never experienced before.
Something else I can relate is my experience with skin conductivity response. Two electrodes I attach to myself that measures my bodies resistance to electricity. When I focus on a chakra, and manifest emotional energy, my skins electrical conductivity spikes way up. The more open a chakra is, the more the graph goes up. I can close the chakra and watch the graph descend. This in itself is proof that I'm able to manipulate emotional energy on the level of chakras, chakras being the -mechanisim- I'm using to express my emotions. They are not the emotions themselves, in the same way a faucet is not the water.
It IS all in the mind, but it's felt in the bodily emotions. Dealing with emotions (in the body) is directly dealing with the mind. Chakras are not physical objects, but this matters very little to the meditator. It's results that matter, and they go way beyond controlling a needle on a graph with the mind.
Anyway, a person can doubt chakras for 1000 years, or they can spend 2 weeks finding out. ANYONE can do this succesfully while still maintaining a critical mind. If someone truly has a desire to know, they will find out. It has nothing to do with being spiritually elite, and I'm about as far from religion as they come. For me, it's not about "making" it to the 7th chakra. I want them all equally open and balanced. The closer I get to this goal, the more self confidence I have, the more relaxed I am, the more emotional I can be without feeling shame or embarasment. I have more "energy", meaning that sensation that make one want to get up and do something as opposed to laying on the couch. One could argue that this is a function of calorie intake, but I have proven to myself that I can eat a normal diet and feel unmovitated. I can also not eat and maintain energy levels. I could wither away and still be energetic until the very end. Hunger is also an emotion, and thus is expressed through the chakras, and thus can be controlled. Of course, getting lots of exercise would cause me to wither away sooner than later, and I wouldn't dare attempt what Willie Brooks claims to be able to do, but it is what it is.
I dunno, I can pretty much debate any aspect of chakras in a logical way, but the ego is way ready to step in and prevent my words from having meaning. It's dominance is at stake. It's not an easy path. Every doubt and fear I've had so far has had to be confronted, and it's still a process I'm working on. I've been meditating three years, and am currently working on getting my throat chakra fully open. I've dabbled with the third eye, and can get it open realitively easy, but being able to do something while meditating isn't the goal. The goal is to have my chakras fully open while not meditating. Spending my time working on the 6th and 7th before my 5th is solid is putting the cart before the horse. But just like the ones before, it's only a matter of time before they're all open. What comes after that, I don't know.
I've worked very hard to get as far as I have, nothing elite about it. I'm just a normal guy, no different than anyone else. Again, anyone can do this, it just takes a willingness to put aside the doubt. I wouldn't suggest that the doubt be rejected, simply that one is willing to suspend their current paradigm enough so that it doesn't get in the way of finding out what there is to find. Most chakra meditations contain visual imagery. It's not ment to be taken literally, though there are people out there who believe they actually have "roots" or whatever eminating from their bodies. These are only thought forms, but they can be highly useful in cultivating the awareness to the point where the forms are no longer needed. Entertain the imagination until the imagination is no longer necessary.
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rahz
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why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.
Edited by Rahz (11/13/07 01:38 PM)
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