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How to find a chakra
#7629843 - 11/13/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just one idea, I'll post more as I think of them.
I've found one method of discovering a chakra that is full proof. This will be for the yellow solar plexus chakra. It's located where the breast bone splits, just below the chest. No meditation will be required. What is required is that you run to the video store and pick up an episode of UFC. Get them meanest, nastiest UFC fight you can find... and watch it. As you watch it, pay attention to how your solar plexus feels. It will "light up" over brutality, among other things. You will feel an "energetic vibration" emanating from your solar plexus, that feels quite good, (or bad, if violence sickens you). This is why people like watching violent sport. Congrats, you will have found a chakra.
Oh yea, another way to find a chakra without meditating. This will be for the orange sacral chakra, which is located in the lower belly about halfway between the belly button and the genitalia. Watch some porn. Notice how it affects the lower belly. Congrats on finding your sacral chakra.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7629937 - 11/13/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rahz said: Just one idea, I'll post more as I think of them.
I've found one method of discovering a chakra that is full proof. This will be for the yellow solar plexus chakra. It's located where the breast bone splits, just below the chest. No meditation will be required. What is required is that you run to the video store and pick up an episode of UFC. Get them meanest, nastiest UFC fight you can find... and watch it. As you watch it, pay attention to how your solar plexus feels. It will "light up" over brutality, among other things. You will feel an "energetic vibration" emanating from your solar plexus, that feels quite good, (or bad, if violence sickens you). This is why people like watching violent sport. Congrats, you will have found a chakra.
Oh yea, another way to find a chakra without meditating. This will be for the orange sacral chakra, which is located in the lower belly about halfway between the belly button and the genitalia. Watch some porn. Notice how it affects the lower belly. Congrats on finding your sacral chakra.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7629944 - 11/13/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hate to use rationality once again, but when people are watching combative sport events they will tend to hold their breath and tense their abs. Amazingly, the diaphragm is located right behind the alleged chakra.
Try again.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7629958 - 11/13/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Congrats, you will have found a chakra.
You haven't proved anything. You say there's a chakra in there but I see no proof. I think it's more like you located a thingamajig.
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Well then, as you are watching your UFC video (you mean you haven't went to get it yet?) I would suggest not holding your breath or tensing your abs, so that this function can be ruled out as a cause.
It is, of course, explainable. Holding the breath puts a damper on emotion. Tensing the abs causes additional sensation which can disrupt emotion. These are techniques people subconsciously use to keep themselves from getting too emotional.
I will try again once you have actually tried the experiment I suggested. No touche for you
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7630001 - 11/13/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Congrats, you will have found a chakra.
You haven't proved anything. You say there's a chakra in there but I see no proof. I think it's more like you located a thingamajig.
Thingamajigs are chakras.
Chakra is just a word to describe what it is I've found. Thingamajig would work, but then NO ONE would know what I was talking about. I understand your point, but it is self evident. Common experience dictates the necessity for a name so that further communication can occur. Chakra is that name, though any name would do.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7630025 - 11/13/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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but it is self evident
So then please show us how to locate and feel the 6th and 7th charkas? If they are such a sure thing as you say.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7630086 - 11/13/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I've already told you how to find the 2nd and 3rd. If that means nothing, what would be the point of giving you an exercise to find the 6th and 7th?
It would be difficult for a non-mediator. People live through their "lower instincts". People live through their lower 3 chakras. If we're talking about fight or flight fear, fucking or enjoying some chocolate, or just being cozy, secure and comfortable, that's all emotion which gets expressed in the lower three chakras. Although there are a few sorry souls who experience very little emotion, most people's lower 3 chakras are emotionally reactive, and thus, open enough for the exercises I provided to have a noticeable effect.
The ego likes to keep things this way because if a person begins to get their heart open (4th chakra) the ego starts to loose control. Once a person has gotten their heart open, either through meditation or life experience, accessing the upper chakras becomes much easier, and isn't so much of an effort.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7630137 - 11/13/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I've already told you how to find the 2nd and 3rd. If that means nothing, what would be the point of giving you an exercise to find the 6th and 7th?
I'm just not sure I believe there are charkas. I can show someone where tension etc. is in their body and then call it something and make a religion out of it by stating there are goals (6th and 7th) that are only attainable by the spiritual elite.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7630159 - 11/13/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I try to keep in mind the fact that the map is not the territory. Chakras may very well be an abstraction, but so are most other things we think are real. So long as I reap some benefit from chakra exercises, then who cares? I think people on all sides tend to take their perceptions too seriously.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Silversoul]
#7630171 - 11/13/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7630586 - 11/13/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I've already told you how to find the 2nd and 3rd. If that means nothing, what would be the point of giving you an exercise to find the 6th and 7th?
I'm just not sure I believe there are charkas. I can show someone where tension etc. is in their body and then call it something and make a religion out of it by stating there are goals (6th and 7th) that are only attainable by the spiritual elite.
I understand. When I first started meditating, it took 2 weeks of meditating every day to get to the point where I though, perhaps, there was something else going on other than imagination or mind created tension. I stuck with it because I previously had an experience which I couldn't explain, and it lead me to the chakra model. I REALLY wanted to find out what was going on, and I figured millions of people must be privy to something.
I can assure you emotional expression through the chakras is not tension. The more relaxed I am, the stronger the sensation. Tension can also be explained through the chakra model. Part of the mind is attempting to express emotion through a specific chakra, part of the mind is resisting emotional expression. So this conflict prevents the emotion from creating a pure expression, but the emotion isn't simply going to dissapear. Instead of a natural flow of emotional energy, the energy bleeds of into the physical body resulting in tension. If the body releases more emotion than the it can handle, tension occurs. This is why some people will cry when they get in a fight and some people will remain calm. Traditional meditation isn't necessary. Being an experienced fighter could be said to be a form of meditation. You deal with that energy enough times and your capacity to handle it grows.
There are a couple other things I can mention. About 6 months after I started meditating, I laid down to meditate. I had experienced my lower chakras in an undenyable way, but there was still some denial. In other words, I REALLY wanted to prove there was more going on than whimsical thought patterns. So I get my lower 4 chakras open, which was a personal best for me, and I just keep pushing it. It was perhaps the most blissful experience I'd had to date, and I was totally straight. My body felt like it was about to explode or something, and I started to get the idea that perhaps I should stop. So I sat up, and noticed that my whole body was vibrating, and I immedeatley broke out in a cold sweat. It felt very much like being knocked up on cold medicine during the middle of a bad flu, except without the congestion or scratchy throat. I felt quite sick. What I did was to get my chakras too open. I wasn't ready to "channel" that much energy, and it left me very sensitive. Later that day, I tried to meditate again, and about 30 seconds into it, a bolt of kundalini shot up into my head. Immediate searing pain and dizzyness. For about 30 minutes I though perhaps I had gone insane. I REALLY felt insane, like I knew exactly what it ment to be clinically bonkers. After a few hours of calming down, I realised that perhaps they wouldn't take me away, and I might return to normal eventually. It took about 10 days to feel normal again. During this time, I was too sensitive to meditate, but on the plus side I felt extremely good, relaxed in a way I had never experienced before.
Something else I can relate is my experience with skin conductivity response. Two electrodes I attach to myself that measures my bodies resistance to electricity. When I focus on a chakra, and manifest emotional energy, my skins electrical conductivity spikes way up. The more open a chakra is, the more the graph goes up. I can close the chakra and watch the graph descend. This in itself is proof that I'm able to manipulate emotional energy on the level of chakras, chakras being the -mechanisim- I'm using to express my emotions. They are not the emotions themselves, in the same way a faucet is not the water.
It IS all in the mind, but it's felt in the bodily emotions. Dealing with emotions (in the body) is directly dealing with the mind. Chakras are not physical objects, but this matters very little to the meditator. It's results that matter, and they go way beyond controlling a needle on a graph with the mind.
Anyway, a person can doubt chakras for 1000 years, or they can spend 2 weeks finding out. ANYONE can do this succesfully while still maintaining a critical mind. If someone truly has a desire to know, they will find out. It has nothing to do with being spiritually elite, and I'm about as far from religion as they come. For me, it's not about "making" it to the 7th chakra. I want them all equally open and balanced. The closer I get to this goal, the more self confidence I have, the more relaxed I am, the more emotional I can be without feeling shame or embarasment. I have more "energy", meaning that sensation that make one want to get up and do something as opposed to laying on the couch. One could argue that this is a function of calorie intake, but I have proven to myself that I can eat a normal diet and feel unmovitated. I can also not eat and maintain energy levels. I could wither away and still be energetic until the very end. Hunger is also an emotion, and thus is expressed through the chakras, and thus can be controlled. Of course, getting lots of exercise would cause me to wither away sooner than later, and I wouldn't dare attempt what Willie Brooks claims to be able to do, but it is what it is.
I dunno, I can pretty much debate any aspect of chakras in a logical way, but the ego is way ready to step in and prevent my words from having meaning. It's dominance is at stake. It's not an easy path. Every doubt and fear I've had so far has had to be confronted, and it's still a process I'm working on. I've been meditating three years, and am currently working on getting my throat chakra fully open. I've dabbled with the third eye, and can get it open realitively easy, but being able to do something while meditating isn't the goal. The goal is to have my chakras fully open while not meditating. Spending my time working on the 6th and 7th before my 5th is solid is putting the cart before the horse. But just like the ones before, it's only a matter of time before they're all open. What comes after that, I don't know.
I've worked very hard to get as far as I have, nothing elite about it. I'm just a normal guy, no different than anyone else. Again, anyone can do this, it just takes a willingness to put aside the doubt. I wouldn't suggest that the doubt be rejected, simply that one is willing to suspend their current paradigm enough so that it doesn't get in the way of finding out what there is to find. Most chakra meditations contain visual imagery. It's not ment to be taken literally, though there are people out there who believe they actually have "roots" or whatever eminating from their bodies. These are only thought forms, but they can be highly useful in cultivating the awareness to the point where the forms are no longer needed. Entertain the imagination until the imagination is no longer necessary.
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Edited by Rahz (11/13/07 01:38 PM)
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7630613 - 11/13/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm just a normal guy,
God, what a fucking ego trip. Does anyone else see this?

Anyway I have meditated off an on for years and now I am on meds because it fucked me up so bad. My kundalini got stuck in my first and now I've got hemorrhoids.
Well, maybe I'll try it one more time.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7630728 - 11/13/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oy!
Ice.... you old fart... Silversoul, you young hippie... help me out here.
I am so sick and tired of people telling me how they can FEEL their chakras.
Chacras are STORIES... and like Aesop's, they contain lessons...
Yet, people here take them as literally as Fundamentalists interpret the Bible.
Each chakra is a state of mind. That is all. It is A philosophical point worth pondering... perhaps.
Perhaps... if you focus on the PHYSICAL chacra while you meditate on the MENTAL one it will help... you. But...
Chacras are not DOTS on your body.
Yet.... everybody says, "I feel them. I have proof! It feels like this! They're located HERE! On my BODY!!!"
Bullshit.
These people don't, "Get it"... perhaps they never will.
No offense, those of you who don't yet, "Get it."
Chacras ARE helpful... but they aren't what most people think they are... and people who spend their lives looking for them... never find them.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7630808 - 11/13/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I am just a normal guy. Nothing makes me any more special than anyone else. I still have an ego, that doesn't make me special either... but I'm not sure where you're coming from. I was responding to your comment on "spiritual elitism". It's actually impossible to feel that way and make any real progress.
Humility and pride are the same thing, (yes I know I'll catch hell for that statement) not to be confused with pity and arrogance... though I appreciate my arrogance and pity in the same way I appreciate any other emotional pain.
I've never heard of meditation causing hemorrhoids, but it wouldn't surprise me. We all have different issues to deal with. Only you can fix that, and I will have faith in you even if it pisses you off
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rose]
#7630925 - 11/13/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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>>>>I am so sick and tired of people telling me they can FEEL their chakras.
Feeling sick and tired could be a problem. Try having some compassion for yourself.
>>>>Chacras are STORIES... and like Aesop's, they contain lessons...
Stories are stories... like Aesop.
>>>>Perhaps... if you focus on the PHYSICAL chacra while you meditate on the MENTAL one it will help... you. But...
There is no difference. Again, chakras are not "physical", though they can be felt. If a person gets sexually excited, are they creating a physical object? Of course not. But something is "there" to be "felt" in a specific location in the body.
>>>>These people don't, "Get it"... perhaps they never will.
If you think chakras are helpful, but you haven't "felt" one, it is you who doesn't get it.
>>>>people who spend their lives looking for them... never find them.
Already found. Your belief is not required.
This thread was created for those who are curious. I'm more than happy to entertain debate so long as it holds my interest, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it here. But asking for help from your peers is a bit weak. I'm sure you have the mental acuity to speak for yourself without getting upset, right?
I would suggest conducting the experiments I posted at the beginning of this thread, then discussing, otherwise I might get the idea you just like to argue. The only thing that might stand in your way is your stubborn ego, and your need to feel superior to those who "believe" in chakras. I know that I am no better than you my friend.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7631162 - 11/13/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7631239 - 11/13/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm more than happy to entertain debate ... otherwise I might get the idea you just like to argue.
How does one debate without presenting arguments?
No one posts here unless they 'like' to.
Your statements sound like emotional noise as they do not make snese.
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Isn't a "chakra" an abstract center of energy in the body? Not a specific organ, body, or system, but just a hub of sensation.
Why do we have to be so combative when discussing abstract concepts that everybody experiences differently?
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I'm more than happy to entertain debate ... otherwise I might get the idea you just like to argue.
How does one debate without presenting arguments?
No one posts here unless they 'like' to.
Your statements sound like emotional noise as they do not make snese.
>>>>I would suggest conducting the experiments I posted at the beginning of this thread, then discussing, otherwise I might get the idea you just like to argue.
Makes sense to me. It's a plea for staying OT. This thread is based on a few simple experiments. Play my game, and I'm more likely to play yours. Of course, people are free to post whatever they like.
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