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Rahz
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7635206 - 11/14/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rahz said: Well, I am just a normal guy. Nothing makes me any more special than anyone else. I still have an ego, that doesn't make me special either... but I'm not sure where you're coming from. I was responding to your comment on "spiritual elitism". It's actually impossible to feel that way and make any real progress.
Humility and pride are the same thing, (yes I know I'll catch hell for that statement) not to be confused with pity and arrogance... though I appreciate my arrogance and pity in the same way I appreciate any other emotional pain.
I've never heard of meditation causing hemorrhoids, but it wouldn't surprise me. We all have different issues to deal with. Only you can fix that, and I will have faith in you even if it pisses you off
That whole post was my sorry attempt at a joke. I guess you couldn't see the twinkle in my eye.
You're one of my favorites here so know that I was just kidding.
Doh. Well, I spent the first 10 months working on my root chakra, and actually made myself a little sore down there so hemorrhoids really wouldn't surprise me. Sorry I didn't see the twinkle.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rose]
#7635265 - 11/14/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rahz said: Angry rants could be considered debating, but there are other ways. I'll clarify when asked, but I think my reply to you was fair enough.
Thing is, the post you are so upset about... the, "Angry rant" I made... it was a post where I agreed with the main thesis of your argument.
We both agree. You don't think you need to meditate to locate your chacras... and neither do I.
The only difference is; I don't think you need to locate your chacras in order to, "Locate" your chacras. 
You don't have to like it, but you also, don't have to pretend I gouged your eye out with a toothpick.
You just didn't like how I said it. Get over it, and read the sig.
I was fixated on your claim that no one feels chakras. I didn't feel gouged, but you're right. Thanks for the perspective.
-------------------- rahz comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace "You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi
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I fail to understand how one can make a million dollars by sensing their or anyone else's chakra.

Clicky >> James Randi Educational Foundation Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7635584 - 11/14/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't even claimed to be able to prove chakras exist,
"Congrats, you have found a charka."
Well, which is it?
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7636873 - 11/14/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Both. I claim that it is possible for someone to prove chakras exist for themselves. The whole point of the experiment was to do something that had a chance of providing direct experience, the only kind of experience that is worth a damn when it comes to spirituality.
-------------------- rahz comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace "You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7636918 - 11/14/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The scientific method is incompatible with subjective and mystical phenomena. Language is the most reliable tool we have to express our innermost experiences, and it is still severely lacking for that purpose.
I've experienced feelings of energy beneath my bellybutton, at the base of my spine, the pit of my stomach, my chest, my neck, and in my head during the types of moments that rahz described. Very intensely. I experienced them long before I heard about "chakras" or realized that those energy sensations happen to be located at the points where chakras are said to be located. I think there's veracity behind the idea of chakras having a physical reality. Just because science hasn't managed to figure out the physical nature behind chakras doesn't mean they aren't very real, and to make that assumption is, as I mentioned in another thread, ideological chauvinism.
Most groundbreaking scientific discoveries are made by accident. The fact is that just because science is the most complete, reliable, and definitive way to observe and manipulate our reality does not make it godlike. Scientists disagree with each other and science is no better equipped to answer the great mysteries of the universe than esoteric mysticism.
Perhaps someday in the future we will have a complete understanding of how the mind and the body function, and how and why consciousness is manifested. Then we can look to science to understand how we function inside. However, at the moment, all science can do is point out that surgically tampering with certain parts of the brain will hinder certain cognitive abilities. That falls way fucking short, thank you.
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Edited by Tchan909 (11/14/07 07:12 PM)
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Yes, but every accidental scientific discovery has been rooted in reality.
And if it is confirmed real... spirituality by definition, will cease to be SPIRITual.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rose]
#7637014 - 11/14/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Clearly, our definitions would have to change.
Language is based on the world as-is, not the other way around.
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
Edited by Tchan909 (11/14/07 07:26 PM)
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Tchan909 said: The scientific method is incompatible with subjective and mystical phenomena. Language is the most reliable tool we have to express our innermost experiences, and it is still severely lacking for that purpose.
I've experienced feelings of energy beneath my bellybutton, at the base of my spine, the pit of my stomach, my chest, my neck, and in my head during the types of moments that rahz described. Very intensely. I experienced them long before I heard about "chakras" or realized that those energy sensations happen to be located at the points where chakras are said to be located. I think there's veracity behind the idea of chakras having a physical reality. Just because science hasn't managed to figure out the physical nature behind chakras doesn't mean they aren't very real, and to make that assumption is, as I mentioned in another thread, ideological chauvinism.
Most groundbreaking scientific discoveries are made by accident. The fact is that just because science is the most complete, reliable, and definitive way to observe and manipulate our reality does not make it godlike. Scientists disagree with each other and science is no better equipped to answer the great mysteries of the universe than esoteric mysticism.
Perhaps someday in the future we will have a complete understanding of how the mind and the body function, and how and why consciousness is manifested. Then we can look to science to understand how we function inside. However, at the moment, all science can do is point out that surgically tampering with certain parts of the brain will hinder certain cognitive abilities. That falls way fucking short, thank you.
Thanks for the additional input. I had my first meditation session earlier today, lasted about 20 minutes. If I can get comfortable and into a routine of doing this at least once a day I'm going to start extending out my sessions. There is enough freetime in my daily life that this shouldn't be a problem. I will just have to find a good posture and figure out my lighting (had the lights too bright).
So hopefully I can stick with it and get somewhere. Or nowhere, depending on how you look at it.
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