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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Diploid]
#7633581 - 11/14/07 01:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: It doesn't seem like there are many people in here who want to hear what you have to say.
I think a more accurate assessment is that not many people in here want to keep HEARING about detecting chakras. We want to actually see him DO IT instead.
Is this something that would be possible for you to record on camera?
Of course not. It can't be recorded at all. If it could, he wouldn't be wasting time here TALKING about it and would be actually DOING IT to win the million dollar prize.
That he's still poor should tell you something: TALK is cheap. Actually DOING this would be impressive. Is there an echo in here?
Let the guy answer for himself.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Kinematics]
#7633594 - 11/14/07 01:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't tell me what to do! 
Besides, I'm just trying to help by moving the conversation along to its predictable conclusion: everyone in this thread who claims to have a TESTABLE magical power will refuse to be tested and win a million bucks.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz]
#7633602 - 11/14/07 01:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rahz said: Angry rants could be considered debating, but there are other ways. I'll clarify when asked, but I think my reply to you was fair enough.
Thing is, the post you are so upset about... the, "Angry rant" I made... it was a post where I agreed with the main thesis of your argument.
We both agree. You don't think you need to meditate to locate your chacras... and neither do I.
The only difference is; I don't think you need to locate your chacras in order to, "Locate" your chacras. 
You don't have to like it, but you also, don't have to pretend I gouged your eye out with a toothpick.
You just didn't like how I said it. Get over it, and read the sig.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Diploid]
#7633615 - 11/14/07 01:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Don't tell me what to do! 
Besides, I'm just trying to help by moving the conversation along to its predictable conclusion: everyone in this thread who claims to have a TESTABLE magical power will refuse to be tested and win a million bucks.
That's fine, although my post asking about him recording the phenomenon he described is really only a minor aspect of my reply to him. There is undeniable benefit of meditation, why don't we just leave it at that? Even if everything he described regarding meditation is just in our head and there is no mysticism or paranormal aspect to it whatsoever, still does not cancel out the benefits of meditating.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rose]
#7633621 - 11/14/07 01:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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don't have to pretend I gouged your eye out with a toothpick
You bastard!
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Kinematics]
#7633673 - 11/14/07 02:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is undeniable benefit of meditation, why don't we just leave it at that?
Because people in this thread are claiming they can do a lot more than meditation and their outrageous claims demand challenge. Not challenging these things has lead to untold human suffering throughout history.
It was lack of challenge of mystical nonsense that allowed the Inquisition to sentence Galileo to life in prison for stating that the Earth revolves around the sun and isn't at the center of God's universe.
It was lack of challenge of Iraq-WMD nonsense that has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Nothing ever seems to change, and that's why nonsense should ALWAYS be challenged.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Diploid]
#7633683 - 11/14/07 02:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said: There is undeniable benefit of meditation, why don't we just leave it at that?
Because people in this thread are claiming they can do a lot more than meditation and their outrageous claims demand challenge. Not challenging these things has lead to untold human suffering throughout history.
It was lack of challenge of mystical nonsense that allowed the Inquisition to sentence Galileo to life in prison for stating that the Earth revolves around the sun and isn't at the center of God's universe.
It was lack of challenge of Iraq-WMD nonsense that has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Nothing ever seems to change, and that's why nonsense should ALWAYS be challenged.
Somehow I don't think meditation is going to cause human suffering. 
I know what you're trying to get at here though. Nothing wrong with asking questions. I guess we'll just have to see what he says, although you seem to already have your mind made up about what another person does or does not know.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Kinematics]
#7633704 - 11/14/07 02:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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But thinking you can do magical things even though you can't demonstrate them is part of a thinking pattern that leads to suffering. It's the same kind of thinking that has Creation being taught to hapless kids trying to learn biology in some backward states.
although you seem to already have your mind made up
I'm always baffled at how someone can come to the conclusion that requesting a simple test of a claim of supernatural powers is the same as having made up my mind.
If my mind were made up, why would I want to see the claim tested to see if it's true or not? To see if I'm wrong or not?
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Diploid]
#7633930 - 11/14/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I fail to understand how one can make a million dollars by sensing their or anyone else's chakra.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rose]
#7634425 - 11/14/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: You started the thread. I contributed. . You're welcome.
I contribute to the toilet every day.... Weeeeeeeeeee.... I believe I should be thanked as well.... 
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Cervantes said: Thing is, the post you are so upset about...
Please please, tell me what I am mad about next.... I can't figure it out, and it has been driving me crazy all day..... 

>^;;^<
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7634641 - 11/14/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think another way of thinking about the chakras is as emotionally connected to our thoughts. Proof of the chakras is hard to come by and the only way i realized i had them when i was skeptical was to go through an experience where i had to use them and used them in an intuitive way. Things evolve and they evolve in the way you are concious of seeing. This is the problem with trying to relate to others about this way of sensing the world.
Another way of seeing that this has some validity is to recall anyone who you felt uneasy around and just could not stand to be around, yet, you just met them and they have not done anything wrong to you. Another way is to recall any time where you have been scared and you get a splurge of feelings in the stomach...the old butterflies in the stomach saying comes to mind.
Actually, this to me helped further a belief that there does exists points of emotional focus that can alter our experience. I was laying in bed, getting really scared because i heard foot steps upstairs, thinking it was that ghost again. When i realized that i could bring those 'HOT sensations of fearful feelings from my stomach where they usually rest to the chest and my head,so the 5 6 7th chakras, it feels like a warmth that seems to float around your head. An example of this would be in attempting to recall a time where you were nervouse scared anxious and you have this hot, fearful feeling in your stomach. And next time this happens, to you, if it does...all you got to do to bring the energy up from your stomach is to focus on the thought "bring sensation up". This might not work if you focus on saying "bring energy up". Rather speak to yourself without words, try it now, you can think of things without words, it is much quicker(it helps to stifle preconditioned thoughts, that come to us in thought and not word thought! Also recall a time when someone you looked into the eyes of on the street just gave you this bad feeling in the gut or overall fearful feeling.
Another thing ive noticed is that you do not have to be compleltly conciouss of the chakras to use them. Which is why i encounter many people who intimidate me and i know really what they are doing. haha.
I think the trouble with this type of knowledge is that the chakras are like anything in the universe...connected to other things. And the phsyical body is no exception. peace, amigos.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rose]
#7634901 - 11/14/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: Oy!
Ice.... you old fart... Silversoul, you young hippie... help me out here.
I am so sick and tired of people telling me how they can FEEL their chakras.
Chacras are STORIES... and like Aesop's, they contain lessons...
Yet, people here take them as literally as Fundamentalists interpret the Bible.
Each chakra is a state of mind. That is all. It is A philosophical point worth pondering... perhaps.
Perhaps... if you focus on the PHYSICAL chacra while you meditate on the MENTAL one it will help... you. But...
Chacras are not DOTS on your body.
Yet.... everybody says, "I feel them. I have proof! It feels like this! They're located HERE! On my BODY!!!"
Bullshit.
These people don't, "Get it"... perhaps they never will.
No offense, those of you who don't yet, "Get it."
Chacras ARE helpful... but they aren't what most people think they are... and people who spend their lives looking for them... never find them.
Each chakra is a state of mind. That is all. It is A philosophical point worth pondering... perhaps.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rahz] 1
#7634907 - 11/14/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rahz said: Well, I am just a normal guy. Nothing makes me any more special than anyone else. I still have an ego, that doesn't make me special either... but I'm not sure where you're coming from. I was responding to your comment on "spiritual elitism". It's actually impossible to feel that way and make any real progress.
Humility and pride are the same thing, (yes I know I'll catch hell for that statement) not to be confused with pity and arrogance... though I appreciate my arrogance and pity in the same way I appreciate any other emotional pain.
I've never heard of meditation causing hemorrhoids, but it wouldn't surprise me. We all have different issues to deal with. Only you can fix that, and I will have faith in you even if it pisses you off
That whole post was my sorry attempt at a joke. I guess you couldn't see the twinkle in my eye.
You're one of my favorites here so know that I was just kidding.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Diploid]
#7634925 - 11/14/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't tell me what to do! 
I've never seen this side of you diploid.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7634928 - 11/14/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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What a chaka looks like:
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Then I want to see all seven. (of the deadly sins)
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Icelander]
#7635060 - 11/14/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just use a mirror.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Kinematics]
#7635090 - 11/14/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here is a screen shot from just over a year ago. It's a final image, so the graph is time compressed in the picture. On the top is a heart rate variance graph which shows my minimum and maximum heart rate over time. The time between breaths was around 15 seconds, so that will give you an idea of how long. It was probably around 15 minutes. Interesting to note here that basically through the whole thing, and especially up to just past the halfway point, my heart rate was even and consistent. I was relaxed and unmoving.

So I began focusing on maintaining an even relaxed breath and then started focusing on the yellow chakra. You can see how it ramps up, but once I started hitting the sweet spot each breath would cause it's own noticeable spike. It's like there's a feeling of resistance, but if you look past it, and just focus on allowing the chakra to open wide and accept (the spikes always come when breathing in) what's available, the resistance snaps, the energy turns cool, and there's no "friction". After the halfway point, I mostly forgot about maintaining an even breath and was just playing around. You can see how the heart rate variance becomes erratic, but the average doesn't go up or down.
I started out doing shrooms about once a month, sometimes more. I'm currently doing them every 2-3 months so there's a little bit of breaking away from that, but they're still beneficial.
As far as how often, how long to meditate, do whatever feels right. There's been constant change in how I practice, and I've gone for weeks without meditating, either because I just didn't feel like it or because I had some nice experience and backing off a bit was probably a good idea. I shoot for at least once a day, and push myself a little. Sometimes I'll lay down to meditate and say "screw it" five minutes later. Not being in the mood isn't always a good excuse. But all the rules are made to be broken. It's a balance between not getting too comfortable and not falling into the self improvement trap. Be curious and follow intuition. Buy a guided meditation, or take classes, read some books on spirituality, burn some incense. If you want to play with a pendulum or put some pretty rocks on your chest, hey, whatever. The only way to prove or disprove something for yourself is to do it.
I'll get to the video thing in my next post. It's just a biofeedback machine (which I found very useful). I dunno, plenty of people found this thread interesting enough. Thanks for the comments.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Diploid]
#7635192 - 11/14/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's the thing. I haven't claimed to see auras. I haven't even claimed to be able to prove chakras exist, I simply posted a few experiments so that others might prove something for themselves. No one proved chakras for me.
As said, I'm as skeptical of psychics who make fantastic claims as you are. We are in no disagreement there.
The device I was talking about is a bio feedback unit. It's not going to win me a million dollars. I know that I'm focusing on a chakra, and drawing energy in, which is just a way of describing what it feels like... but the machine can't prove this, it just records the output. I am modifying my body's resistance to electricity, without raising my blood pressure, which is worth noting.
As I've already mentioned, there's no difference between the chakra and the mind, but they are "there" in my body and I can "feel" them. If I stubbed my toe, I wouldn't say my head hurt.
So if someone would actually get something from me borrowing a video cam and recording it happen, I'll consider it, but what's it going to prove? However, if someone else wants to play with a bio feedback machine and spend some time seeing what it can do, then they might be able to prove something for themselves.
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Re: How to find a chakra [Re: Rose]
#7635202 - 11/14/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: Ice.... you old fart... Silversoul, you young hippie... help me out here.
I am so sick and tired of people telling me how they can FEEL their chakras.
I'd love to help you out here, but the fact is that I often feel my chakras too(particularly my third eye and crown chakra). That doesn't mean that they exist objectively, but it means that at least for me, there is a certain sensation I get in these places which is associated with a certain attribute. I try not to attribute objective existence to any of my perceptions, but I can't say for certain that chakras have any less objective existence than anything else I perceive. As Husserl said, "All perception is gamble."
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