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    #7578792 - 10/30/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7578842 - 10/30/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Please friends many of you take drugs to find the truth and God sees your intentions, but you do not need drugs, they are bad for you. All you need is a personal relationship with God through prayer.



Weird, because on many of my psychedelic experience... it doesn't matter which plant I choose.. the message is the same. We are all one and the same, we are all divine beings, not victims or "original sin" or whatnot. And I think your words are a lot less convincing than my many personal and VERY real experiences with plants.
I think you've given in because you probably had some bad experiences, you need to let your ego go. It's the only way to find peace. THat's why you feel the need to push yourself and your religion on all of us.
And that's all I got.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7578858 - 10/30/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

While I don't doubt your sincerity, I just look at large scale studies.

Those who work out regularly are WITHOUT question healthier and more fit than those who don't. This is basic.

Yet, those who claim to be born-again or filled with the spirit have the same (or in some cases WORSE) rates of depression, suicide, adultery, illness, child abuse, teen pregnancy, etc. than atheists.

Even a small number of those authentically affected by Spirit would show up on large-scale studies. Yet, this is not the case.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7578874 - 10/30/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hey man, i am a truth seeker. i grew up in a home of christian people, true, spiritually mature christian people. however, what it was that gave me reall tangible understanding of being a chinld of God and of a having a true, sincere relationhip with God, was mushrooms. I started eating mushroom for the reason of finding the truely true, and as i knocked, the door was opened. God communicated profound truths to me through the mushrooms, primarilly what faith really is, and how to live by faith, and the freedom that comes through this way of life. mushrooms have been extremely valuable to me in understanding my relationship with the Christ, who has set me free to soar like an eagle. It is very true that the bible has taught me the specifics of who God is, and who his son is and what he has done. i have learned so much by reading the words God has left us. I too have read the bible complete and re-read it. it has been so valuable in teaching me, and so have the mushrooms. I use them as a tool. i do not think that they have such inherent properties as the ones i have experienced, but i think that since the spirit of God lives inside me, and God and i live in harmony and onesness, his spirit is with me as i endeavour to use the mushrooms as a tool. it seems to me that he has blessed me with this amazing and interesting piece of his creation. in fact, what it is that drew me towards christ in the firt place was cannabis, this was my spiritual catalyst. Christ lives in me, and i believe that he has blessed me for not condemning myself for what i know is right. Romans 14 has given me much clarity on the controversy of this issue. Anyway, i appreciate your testimony of Christs leadership in your life.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7578937 - 10/30/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so many people misunderstand the truth that is of Christ. Christianity is not the issue here, christianity is a man made system of belief and dogma, But christ is the really real. The question one needs to ask is "who/what is christ". christ is love, light, life, and truth. Christ is the creative principle. What is love, what one recognizes as love, is who christ is, what one recognizes as being really 'ALIVE' is Christ, what one recognizes and understanding and clarity (light, as opposed to "darkness, metaphorically speaking), is who christ it, and the beauty of created order, as opposed to chaotic out-of-controlness, is who christ is. Christ is what is TRUE humanness, which is DIVINE, and we are all truely one, and oneness is by a christic connectedness. And the basis of understanding, of true life is the loos of ego, it is the death of the self and oneness the divine personhood. but the problem is, the we have forgotten how to be one, we have forgotten truth, we have forgotten how to live, and in our arrogance we devise futile methods which we believe will lift us from the slump of the ugliness that seems to pevade the world (dont get me wrong though, for there is intense beauty around us, despite genocide, starvation, and human calousness), but which actually perpetuates our destructive path, and this is what our ego does to us, or insatiable perception of self importance. this needs to be curbed to find out what is truely true and really real. and this is what christ is, and it is true that this is the way to peace (i use the word "what" in order to de-anthropomorphise the reality of christ, {though christ is person}, because the personhood of christ i think confuses people and destract them from the WAY of christ). i hope that this perhaps gives some understanding. also, those that are attempting oneness with the Christ, with the way, with peace, are still human people, and human afflictions are inevitable. one does not become a man of knowledge the instant he decides to learn, he must unlearn what he thinks he knows, and gradually, and the harder he works and the more serious he is about this undertaking, he will break free from ignorance and come closer to knowledge. the same is true for thoe that long to reclaim the divinity first given to them. not only that, lots of the people that claim to be "christian" are merely adherents to some religion, and are not necessarily seekers of the Christ.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579112 - 10/31/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Dear Friends ,

I used to be a christian.

I praise the Lord. I lit candles, prayed, tithed and protested abortion clinics... but it all became so tedious and lackluster. Miss a Sunday, touch a little boy.... I was in a downward spiral.

After a while I realized I wasn’t really growing or experiencing much. I got into speaking in tongues as much as any pentacostal. I started with communion stuff and got deep into snake handling before I knew it. Part of this was based on the logic that there just had to be something greater than myself (I now know that there is a dark side to christianity). Though I felt more “accepted” I still wasn’t truly satisfied. I was willing to do anything and everything to find the truth. So, i tried LSD and psilocybe mushrooms.

see where I am going with this?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7579160 - 10/31/07 12:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup::lol:


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7579184 - 10/31/07 01:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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YawningAnus said:
Dear Friends ,

I used to be a christian.

I praise the Lord. I lit candles, prayed, tithed and protested abortion clinics... but it all became so tedious and lackluster. Miss a Sunday, touch a little boy.... I was in a downward spiral.

After a while I realized I wasn’t really growing or experiencing much. I got into speaking in tongues as much as any pentacostal. I started with communion stuff and got deep into snake handling before I knew it. Part of this was based on the logic that there just had to be something greater than myself (I now know that there is a dark side to christianity). Though I felt more “accepted” I still wasn’t truly satisfied. I was willing to do anything and everything to find the truth. So, i tried LSD and psilocybe mushrooms.

see where I am going with this?




I guess what you're trying to say here is someone has the reverse story so how can you prove which is true?

The idea is NOT to PROVE GOD, it is to share my story about how He found me and to nudge anyone who is ready and willing to hear so they can allow God to prove Himself to them.

However before you can tell a story like this you have to actually and sincerely try both, "Have you sincerely, or are you just making this up"?. I have tried both (drugs, Christianity not to mention many other things) and there IS a truth and reality and it is Jesus Christ.

I have had people tell me they were Christian then got into drugs and new age instead. I doubt these people were ever legitimate Christians, or maybe they were but turned sour...only the Heavenly Father truly knows.

If someone actually has tried both only God knows whether or not that person was sincere, He will test you.

When people say things like, "how can you really know anything" or "you can't prove God or the spagetti monster" these are really just lazy arguments saying you shouldn't even try. Proof is personal.

Give God a geniune chance through Christianity, pray genuinely, search, read the Bible and checkout my website. If you are sincere you will find the truth.

www.youtube.com/user/Johlysid

By the way I will reply to some comments which I think are well intentioned but I'm not going to otherwise debate.

Blessings


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579208 - 10/31/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Im not asking you to prove god... nor really even debate.

Just trying to show you how it can go both ways.
It is great that you feel that you "KNOW" something that is ultimately inexplicable and must be personally experienced to fully grasp.

but experience is not a constant. No one experiences things the same way, or can be helped, become what they call a better person... the same way.

basically, the "right" path isnt the same for everyone. where you say "bad, evil, wrong" I say "enlightening, fun, perspective".


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579242 - 10/31/07 01:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The point, schooloncid, is that it all comes down to interpretation. Believe whatever the hell you want to believe, but nothing anyone believes will ever be more than thier own personal trip. :shrug: I hope you enjoy the one you're on. I almost wish I could just buy into something comforting like a religion... it's just so much more comfortable than the utter uncertainty of being. But oh, there is so much more freedom and potential for authenticity in recognizing how one chooses how one percieves and lives. I find freedom much more seductive than certainty.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579473 - 10/31/07 05:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Short?!

Stereotyping Entheogen Enthusiasts as those who require someone to proselytize to them on Christian doctrine is presumptuous of you and thus egotistical. Some Shroomerites have been beat-up by Bible-thumping fanatics in their youth, others have seen through the doctrinal agendas and scribal insertions that comprise the much-corrupted canonical Bible.

This poster has 30 years of post Christian seminary study and contemplation, and I have posted here since 1999, but knowing what little I do in my 54th year of life about the workings of grace (according to the Christian models), I know that barnstorming into a forum with self-righteous conviction, and 'begging' P&S Shroomerites to ask God about YOU and your message goes way beyond mere presumption but borders on delusions of grandeur! (I'm also a psychotherapist for many years). The message is standard, but the messenger's egoistic-mind has appropriated it for his own aggrandizement here. Speaking for myself: feel free to stay, but tune your ego down to listen BEFORE you preach, and preach selectively if you must.

Peace Out.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579508 - 10/31/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Doesn't it scare you to give up your own way of thought and let another one totally guide you? Also, this idea of having a better chance of not being sent to hell. If jesus loves people so much, why is he burning them in a pit of eternal fire? I think even some of the most brutal humans would flinch at the idea of doing that to someone.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: DimensionX]
    #7579722 - 10/31/07 08:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Drugs are bad? You insult my beliefs.

I read the bible, and god's divine message was "Stop reading this, it doesn't get better after genesis." Then found drugs. Now I can be at one with nature, and cut out the middle man!

You go and be reverant in your church. I'm going direct to the source.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: DimensionX]
    #7579898 - 10/31/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

don't worry, hell is the sense of eternal flame is nothing but propaganda from the church in the dark/middle ages to scare people into religion. don't get me wrong though, i do believe in my Lord, and certain ethnobotanicals.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579901 - 10/31/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Don't you think if you were able to find god yourself we can too? Why should you try and push your beliefs on us.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579906 - 10/31/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7579914 - 10/31/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

by the way turntablejunky. that's a bitchin avatar. anyway......


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: blackfir]
    #7579919 - 10/31/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol thanx man.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579933 - 10/31/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"While I appreciate your quaint traditions, superstitions, and, you know, I on the other hand am an evolved being who deals solely with the source of light which exists in all of us, in our own minds, no middle man required."

-Bill Hicks


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: wps]
    #7579959 - 10/31/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

damn i love bill hicks


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