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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7578842 - 10/30/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Please friends many of you take drugs to find the truth and God sees your intentions, but you do not need drugs, they are bad for you. All you need is a personal relationship with God through prayer.



Weird, because on many of my psychedelic experience... it doesn't matter which plant I choose.. the message is the same. We are all one and the same, we are all divine beings, not victims or "original sin" or whatnot. And I think your words are a lot less convincing than my many personal and VERY real experiences with plants.
I think you've given in because you probably had some bad experiences, you need to let your ego go. It's the only way to find peace. THat's why you feel the need to push yourself and your religion on all of us.
And that's all I got.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7578858 - 10/30/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

While I don't doubt your sincerity, I just look at large scale studies.

Those who work out regularly are WITHOUT question healthier and more fit than those who don't. This is basic.

Yet, those who claim to be born-again or filled with the spirit have the same (or in some cases WORSE) rates of depression, suicide, adultery, illness, child abuse, teen pregnancy, etc. than atheists.

Even a small number of those authentically affected by Spirit would show up on large-scale studies. Yet, this is not the case.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7578874 - 10/30/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hey man, i am a truth seeker. i grew up in a home of christian people, true, spiritually mature christian people. however, what it was that gave me reall tangible understanding of being a chinld of God and of a having a true, sincere relationhip with God, was mushrooms. I started eating mushroom for the reason of finding the truely true, and as i knocked, the door was opened. God communicated profound truths to me through the mushrooms, primarilly what faith really is, and how to live by faith, and the freedom that comes through this way of life. mushrooms have been extremely valuable to me in understanding my relationship with the Christ, who has set me free to soar like an eagle. It is very true that the bible has taught me the specifics of who God is, and who his son is and what he has done. i have learned so much by reading the words God has left us. I too have read the bible complete and re-read it. it has been so valuable in teaching me, and so have the mushrooms. I use them as a tool. i do not think that they have such inherent properties as the ones i have experienced, but i think that since the spirit of God lives inside me, and God and i live in harmony and onesness, his spirit is with me as i endeavour to use the mushrooms as a tool. it seems to me that he has blessed me with this amazing and interesting piece of his creation. in fact, what it is that drew me towards christ in the firt place was cannabis, this was my spiritual catalyst. Christ lives in me, and i believe that he has blessed me for not condemning myself for what i know is right. Romans 14 has given me much clarity on the controversy of this issue. Anyway, i appreciate your testimony of Christs leadership in your life.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7578937 - 10/30/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so many people misunderstand the truth that is of Christ. Christianity is not the issue here, christianity is a man made system of belief and dogma, But christ is the really real. The question one needs to ask is "who/what is christ". christ is love, light, life, and truth. Christ is the creative principle. What is love, what one recognizes as love, is who christ is, what one recognizes as being really 'ALIVE' is Christ, what one recognizes and understanding and clarity (light, as opposed to "darkness, metaphorically speaking), is who christ it, and the beauty of created order, as opposed to chaotic out-of-controlness, is who christ is. Christ is what is TRUE humanness, which is DIVINE, and we are all truely one, and oneness is by a christic connectedness. And the basis of understanding, of true life is the loos of ego, it is the death of the self and oneness the divine personhood. but the problem is, the we have forgotten how to be one, we have forgotten truth, we have forgotten how to live, and in our arrogance we devise futile methods which we believe will lift us from the slump of the ugliness that seems to pevade the world (dont get me wrong though, for there is intense beauty around us, despite genocide, starvation, and human calousness), but which actually perpetuates our destructive path, and this is what our ego does to us, or insatiable perception of self importance. this needs to be curbed to find out what is truely true and really real. and this is what christ is, and it is true that this is the way to peace (i use the word "what" in order to de-anthropomorphise the reality of christ, {though christ is person}, because the personhood of christ i think confuses people and destract them from the WAY of christ). i hope that this perhaps gives some understanding. also, those that are attempting oneness with the Christ, with the way, with peace, are still human people, and human afflictions are inevitable. one does not become a man of knowledge the instant he decides to learn, he must unlearn what he thinks he knows, and gradually, and the harder he works and the more serious he is about this undertaking, he will break free from ignorance and come closer to knowledge. the same is true for thoe that long to reclaim the divinity first given to them. not only that, lots of the people that claim to be "christian" are merely adherents to some religion, and are not necessarily seekers of the Christ.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579112 - 10/31/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Dear Friends ,

I used to be a christian.

I praise the Lord. I lit candles, prayed, tithed and protested abortion clinics... but it all became so tedious and lackluster. Miss a Sunday, touch a little boy.... I was in a downward spiral.

After a while I realized I wasn’t really growing or experiencing much. I got into speaking in tongues as much as any pentacostal. I started with communion stuff and got deep into snake handling before I knew it. Part of this was based on the logic that there just had to be something greater than myself (I now know that there is a dark side to christianity). Though I felt more “accepted” I still wasn’t truly satisfied. I was willing to do anything and everything to find the truth. So, i tried LSD and psilocybe mushrooms.

see where I am going with this?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7579160 - 10/31/07 12:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7579184 - 10/31/07 01:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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YawningAnus said:
Dear Friends ,

I used to be a christian.

I praise the Lord. I lit candles, prayed, tithed and protested abortion clinics... but it all became so tedious and lackluster. Miss a Sunday, touch a little boy.... I was in a downward spiral.

After a while I realized I wasn’t really growing or experiencing much. I got into speaking in tongues as much as any pentacostal. I started with communion stuff and got deep into snake handling before I knew it. Part of this was based on the logic that there just had to be something greater than myself (I now know that there is a dark side to christianity). Though I felt more “accepted” I still wasn’t truly satisfied. I was willing to do anything and everything to find the truth. So, i tried LSD and psilocybe mushrooms.

see where I am going with this?




I guess what you're trying to say here is someone has the reverse story so how can you prove which is true?

The idea is NOT to PROVE GOD, it is to share my story about how He found me and to nudge anyone who is ready and willing to hear so they can allow God to prove Himself to them.

However before you can tell a story like this you have to actually and sincerely try both, "Have you sincerely, or are you just making this up"?. I have tried both (drugs, Christianity not to mention many other things) and there IS a truth and reality and it is Jesus Christ.

I have had people tell me they were Christian then got into drugs and new age instead. I doubt these people were ever legitimate Christians, or maybe they were but turned sour...only the Heavenly Father truly knows.

If someone actually has tried both only God knows whether or not that person was sincere, He will test you.

When people say things like, "how can you really know anything" or "you can't prove God or the spagetti monster" these are really just lazy arguments saying you shouldn't even try. Proof is personal.

Give God a geniune chance through Christianity, pray genuinely, search, read the Bible and checkout my website. If you are sincere you will find the truth.

www.youtube.com/user/Johlysid

By the way I will reply to some comments which I think are well intentioned but I'm not going to otherwise debate.

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579208 - 10/31/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Im not asking you to prove god... nor really even debate.

Just trying to show you how it can go both ways.
It is great that you feel that you "KNOW" something that is ultimately inexplicable and must be personally experienced to fully grasp.

but experience is not a constant. No one experiences things the same way, or can be helped, become what they call a better person... the same way.

basically, the "right" path isnt the same for everyone. where you say "bad, evil, wrong" I say "enlightening, fun, perspective".


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579242 - 10/31/07 01:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The point, schooloncid, is that it all comes down to interpretation. Believe whatever the hell you want to believe, but nothing anyone believes will ever be more than thier own personal trip. :shrug: I hope you enjoy the one you're on. I almost wish I could just buy into something comforting like a religion... it's just so much more comfortable than the utter uncertainty of being. But oh, there is so much more freedom and potential for authenticity in recognizing how one chooses how one percieves and lives. I find freedom much more seductive than certainty.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579473 - 10/31/07 05:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Short?!

Stereotyping Entheogen Enthusiasts as those who require someone to proselytize to them on Christian doctrine is presumptuous of you and thus egotistical. Some Shroomerites have been beat-up by Bible-thumping fanatics in their youth, others have seen through the doctrinal agendas and scribal insertions that comprise the much-corrupted canonical Bible.

This poster has 30 years of post Christian seminary study and contemplation, and I have posted here since 1999, but knowing what little I do in my 54th year of life about the workings of grace (according to the Christian models), I know that barnstorming into a forum with self-righteous conviction, and 'begging' P&S Shroomerites to ask God about YOU and your message goes way beyond mere presumption but borders on delusions of grandeur! (I'm also a psychotherapist for many years). The message is standard, but the messenger's egoistic-mind has appropriated it for his own aggrandizement here. Speaking for myself: feel free to stay, but tune your ego down to listen BEFORE you preach, and preach selectively if you must.

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579508 - 10/31/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Doesn't it scare you to give up your own way of thought and let another one totally guide you? Also, this idea of having a better chance of not being sent to hell. If jesus loves people so much, why is he burning them in a pit of eternal fire? I think even some of the most brutal humans would flinch at the idea of doing that to someone.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: DimensionX]
    #7579722 - 10/31/07 08:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Drugs are bad? You insult my beliefs.

I read the bible, and god's divine message was "Stop reading this, it doesn't get better after genesis." Then found drugs. Now I can be at one with nature, and cut out the middle man!

You go and be reverant in your church. I'm going direct to the source.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: DimensionX]
    #7579898 - 10/31/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

don't worry, hell is the sense of eternal flame is nothing but propaganda from the church in the dark/middle ages to scare people into religion. don't get me wrong though, i do believe in my Lord, and certain ethnobotanicals.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579901 - 10/31/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Don't you think if you were able to find god yourself we can too? Why should you try and push your beliefs on us.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579906 - 10/31/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7579914 - 10/31/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

by the way turntablejunky. that's a bitchin avatar. anyway......


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: blackfir]
    #7579919 - 10/31/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol thanx man.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579933 - 10/31/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"While I appreciate your quaint traditions, superstitions, and, you know, I on the other hand am an evolved being who deals solely with the source of light which exists in all of us, in our own minds, no middle man required."

-Bill Hicks


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: wps]
    #7579959 - 10/31/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

damn i love bill hicks


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7579980 - 10/31/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's wonderful that you finally found your road to the Divine.

Please don't overshoot the mark by becoming a closed-minded Christian, like so many are.

The Divine Force has a path for all of us that is highly personal and relevant.

Like it has brought you to the Bible, it has brought me to the Mushroom. Will we stay here or evolve beyond it? God knows, and he knows best.

Please don't disrespect other peoples paths by saying yours is the ONLY way.

Not only is that rude, but I got my pepperspray with me :wink:


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7580008 - 10/31/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah the best advice I can give to someone who recently found religion is KEEP IT TO YOUR DAMN SELF. Otherwise you just come off as another zealot.

Its great that you found a code to live by. Now focus on keeping your feet on that path. Don't worry about what other people are doing.

My mother is a devout Christian, but the way she sees it, thats her choice and it only applies to her. She doesn't hold others to her personal standards, and accepts the fact that others might see things differently. She never pushes her beliefs on anyone, even me, and I respect the hell out of her for that, even though I'm not Christian.

The best way to convert followers is to set an example with your own behavior, not telling everyone else what to do and believe.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: wps]
    #7580215 - 10/31/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you had no buissness taking any phychadelic if these are the conclusions you drew from taking them.
nic post. thanks for sharing. but you miessed the point. alot, throughout the whole peice. if your a christian hey, more power to you, but this reads like a recruiting letter more then ann actual personal event


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7580225 - 10/31/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

god damn your post is self serving.
you learned jack fucking shit

you diddnt learn avout your ego, relations, your job, reposibilities, or family. you just learned that if you get to scared you can always hide you face behind an invisible parental figure and hold out untill death.
learn somthing, then share
dont act so damn dumb, cus honestly i liek people with your pespective on the counter culture. but your post is ego dribbled tripe :rainbowcloud:


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7580233 - 10/31/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: blackfir]
    #7580248 - 10/31/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what mental issues did you have?

looks like you weren't getting into psychedelics for answers but out of spite and rebellion - this is a normal and typical progression from childhood to puberty but puberty passes. then, when you were unable to experience psychedelics besides the novelty value (hey look at those funny hallucinations haha lol) you took to the next best thing and chose to submit to an ego figure that you need to govern yourself.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7580259 - 10/31/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"tho oposite of homosexuality is holyness"


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7580261 - 10/31/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i knew it was only a matter of time before the christains invaded this site, i made 2 threads prob about a year ago, in a nutshell i had a plan that would fix the world.

We MUST fight fire with fire, We MUST invade the churches and spread OUR knowledge to them.

Covertly of course, start out looking for god, then slowly release our wisdom onto them, purhaps from the front of the room if your "good enough" for that position.

I feel, we do need to look to jeses christ as our savor :hellfire:


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7580268 - 10/31/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah you have alot of questions left unanswered here buddy.
your talking to alot of people who are just as serious about being "holy" as you. but we dont use churches and youtube and bake sales to try and get other people to join us. we just listen to the dirt. and you know what? it gives better advise then any book ever wrighten. be it bible or go dog go


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7580287 - 10/31/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

check out his youtubeness. its pretty fucking entertaining.



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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7580298 - 10/31/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

we havent had a good christian crusaid on the sight in a year or so if i rmemeber right


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7580309 - 10/31/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i knew it was only a matter of time before the christains invaded this site, i made 2 threads prob about a year ago, in a nutshell i had a plan that would fix the world.

We MUST fight fire with fire, We MUST invade the churches and spread OUR knowledge to them.

Covertly of course, start out looking for god, then slowly release our wisdom onto them, purhaps from the front of the room if your "good enough" for that position.

I feel, we do need to look to jeses christ as our savor :hellfire:



no no
we dont need to do that.


then we are repeatign the smae prosses.

we just gotta be
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live to learn and grown and rot


thats all there is to the game
its not hard. no secrest coads or hidden meaning


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7580431 - 10/31/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so....did all of you people just ignore everything that i said? it certainly sounds like it, so im going to post it again, then perhaps you will all put some consideration into it and not be completely blind to what i said. it's almost as if you skipped over my last post.

so many people misunderstand the truth that is of Christ. Christianity is not the issue here, christianity is a man made system of belief and dogma, But christ is the really real. The question one needs to ask is "who/what is christ". christ is love, light, life, and truth. Christ is the creative principle. What is love, what one recognizes as love, is who christ is, what one recognizes as being really 'ALIVE' is Christ, what one recognizes and understanding and clarity (light, as opposed to "darkness, metaphorically speaking), is who christ it, and the beauty of created order, as opposed to chaotic out-of-controlness, is who christ is. Christ is what is TRUE humanness, which is DIVINE, and we are all truely one, and oneness is by a christic connectedness. And the basis of understanding, of true life is the loos of ego, it is the death of the self and oneness the divine personhood. but the problem is, the we have forgotten how to be one, we have forgotten truth, we have forgotten how to live, and in our arrogance we devise futile methods which we believe will lift us from the slump of the ugliness that seems to pevade the world (dont get me wrong though, for there is intense beauty around us, despite genocide, starvation, and human calousness), but which actually perpetuates our destructive path, and this is what our ego does to us, or insatiable perception of self importance. this needs to be curbed to find out what is truely true and really real. and this is what christ is, and it is true that this is the way to peace (i use the word "what" in order to de-anthropomorphise the reality of christ, {though christ is person}, because the personhood of christ i think confuses people and destract them from the WAY of christ). i hope that this perhaps gives some understanding. also, those that are attempting oneness with the Christ, with the way, with peace, are still human people, and human afflictions are inevitable. one does not become a man of knowledge the instant he decides to learn, he must unlearn what he thinks he knows, and gradually, and the harder he works and the more serious he is about this undertaking, he will break free from ignorance and come closer to knowledge. the same is true for thoe that long to reclaim the divinity first given to them. not only that, lots of the people that claim to be "christian" are merely adherents to some religion, and are not necessarily seekers of the Christ.

now do you understand what im saying? in this sense, im sure that even people whoe 'hate christianity' are in reality in harmony with the christic persona. this is wht "christianity (for lack of a better term) actually, not a system, not a religion, not a dogma, not churchiness. in this sense, buddhists, new-agers, alchemists etc. can be harmonized with the christ, and yet not necessarily realize where their harmony lies, know what i mean?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7580442 - 10/31/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think you're barking up the wrong tree here buddy. Not only did you offend half the people on this sight with your incredibly egotistical statement that "meditation comes from the dark side", but you also assumed that people on this site are non religious and need to be "taught" the glory of God. Most people here are very faithful, especially those who have found faith by being an individual. We certainly don't need you to help us.

A couple of problems I have with what you just said:

You told us not to look for God inside of ourselves. Personally, I think that Faith is found in yourself, creation is found in your soul, Christ is the spirit of compassion and creation that can only be found in the magic of the spirit. You look outside yourself for some abstract figure of GOD, you're only hiding from yourself and your own wisdom. Don't tell people where to find their spirituality. Your ego is astounding. I can't believe you're not sitting around somewhere drawing pictures of yourself and plastering them around the local churches. You haven't achieved anything except the newfound glorification of your own egotistical mindset.

You started this thread by saying you were looking for help with psychological problems. Your post is further proof that people WITH PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS should not take hallucinogens. Did you do ANY research before you ingested a mind altering substance? If you had you would have known that contact with hallucinogens by the psychologically disturbed can produce profound and lasting delusions, in your case delusions of grandeur. Shit, even the DEA's website would have told you that.

But whatever, the mainstream Christian community is chock full of morons and sheep, I'm sure the smart and loving people there can tolerate another one. People around here are interested in intelligent, respectful discussion, and since you can't offer intelligent, respectful discussion about spirituality, you will largely be ignored.

I found an upside to your post! You're not hanging around girls, so your chances of reproducing are relatively low.

BTW, you totally sound like a narc sent here to sniff around by some sort of Christian backed police force. Maybe that's just the paranoia talking, but there it is.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7580447 - 10/31/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for posting that i actually did skip over that, but im still not going to read it.....not yet anyway


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7580460 - 10/31/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i can say confidently that christ never wanted any of this.

christ smart dude

you not so much.



the WAy of christ is kindness compassion and humble acceptace of fait.
this was not really new at the time of christ. peple had been preaching similer if not exactly the same thing for millenia.



ego. is the only barrior in this discussion.



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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7580469 - 10/31/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

no good hearte dpersonl hates christianity, or anything else for that matter. you came inb here trying to spark some kind of contovercy, but yourr not even doing that well.
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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7580477 - 10/31/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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so....did all of you people just ignore everything that i said? it certainly sounds like it, so im going to post it again, then perhaps you will all put some consideration into it and not be completely blind to what i said. it's almost as if you skipped over my last post.

so many people misunderstand the truth that is of Christ. Christianity is not the issue here, christianity is a man made system of belief and dogma, But christ is the really real. The question one needs to ask is "who/what is christ". christ is love, light, life, and truth. Christ is the creative principle. What is love, what one recognizes as love, is who christ is, what one recognizes as being really 'ALIVE' is Christ, what one recognizes and understanding and clarity (light, as opposed to "darkness, metaphorically speaking), is who christ it, and the beauty of created order, as opposed to chaotic out-of-controlness, is who christ is. Christ is what is TRUE humanness, which is DIVINE, and we are all truely one, and oneness is by a christic connectedness. And the basis of understanding, of true life is the loos of ego, it is the death of the self and oneness the divine personhood. but the problem is, the we have forgotten how to be one, we have forgotten truth, we have forgotten how to live, and in our arrogance we devise futile methods which we believe will lift us from the slump of the ugliness that seems to pevade the world (dont get me wrong though, for there is intense beauty around us, despite genocide, starvation, and human calousness), but which actually perpetuates our destructive path, and this is what our ego does to us, or insatiable perception of self importance. this needs to be curbed to find out what is truely true and really real. and this is what christ is, and it is true that this is the way to peace (i use the word "what" in order to de-anthropomorphise the reality of christ, {though christ is person}, because the personhood of christ i think confuses people and destract them from the WAY of christ). i hope that this perhaps gives some understanding. also, those that are attempting oneness with the Christ, with the way, with peace, are still human people, and human afflictions are inevitable. one does not become a man of knowledge the instant he decides to learn, he must unlearn what he thinks he knows, and gradually, and the harder he works and the more serious he is about this undertaking, he will break free from ignorance and come closer to knowledge. the same is true for thoe that long to reclaim the divinity first given to them. not only that, lots of the people that claim to be "christian" are merely adherents to some religion, and are not necessarily seekers of the Christ. 

now do you understand what im saying? in this sense, im sure that even people whoe 'hate christianity' are in reality in harmony with the christic persona. this is wht "christianity (for lack of a better term) actually, not a system, not a religion, not a dogma, not churchiness. in this sense, buddhists, new-agers, alchemists etc. can be harmonized with the christ, and yet not necessarily realize where their harmony lies, know what i mean?



i have not forgotten shit :grin:
thats why i use dmt
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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7580481 - 10/31/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it seems that you're ignoring what sactually being said, and are just bringing what you think you know about what christ is into the converstion, like i said, unlearn. (im also speaking to the guy that posted this in the first place. and i think i agree with a lot of you, but that's beside the point. the point i am trying to make is that most of the things that all of us value, ego dissolution, love peace, harmony, truth, uprightness and the like, these things ARE what christ is, and not just something that we do)


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7580493 - 10/31/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i'm not offended because the topic is a sad joke anyway.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7580510 - 10/31/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"the WAy of christ is kindness compassion and humble acceptace of fait.
this was not really new at the time of christ. peple had been preaching similer if not exactly the same thing for millenia."

thats part of my point, notapillow, the person of christ is nothing new, it is something that is instilled in nature, something that is intimately a part of nature. and yes, ego is the only barrier in this discussion. we all have one, many of us strong ones.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7580546 - 10/31/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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we havent had a good christian crusaid on the sight in a year or so if i rmemeber right



Have you checked out the P&S forum? Fivepointer still posts his right-wing Christian hate speech there.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: wps]
    #7580608 - 10/31/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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"While I appreciate your quaint traditions, superstitions, and, you know, I on the other hand am an evolved being who deals solely with the source of light which exists in all of us, in our own minds, no middle man required."

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He said that? Yet another great man I never got to smoke a bowl with. Maybe somewhere in Hendrix heaven I'll find him.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7580647 - 10/31/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The idea is NOT to PROVE GOD, it is to share my story about how He found me and to nudge anyone who is ready and willing to hear so they can allow God to prove Himself to them.




Honestly I don't really see too much of your particular story there. In the beginning I see you trying to get people here to relate to you in a way (the shroom and acid talk) then you throw out the usual religious catch phrases.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Asante]
    #7580661 - 10/31/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

OK everybody, lets keep this thread respectful.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7580678 - 10/31/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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it seems that you're ignoring what sactually being said, and are just bringing what you think you know about what christ is into the converstion, like i said, unlearn. (im also speaking to the guy that posted this in the first place. and i think i agree with a lot of you, but that's beside the point. the point i am trying to make is that most of the things that all of us value, ego dissolution, love peace, harmony, truth, uprightness and the like, these things ARE what christ is, and not just something that we do)



thats more or less exactly what i said. christ. son of god, virgin man or dog. was a smart dude.
his words have been broken down through a milleneas old game of telephone.
take what peace you can from the words of christ and from the bible. it is a tool for learning. not sculpting humainity, socialy or peronaly.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7580880 - 10/31/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

God is not for everyone, neither are drugs. I will assume that most people can decide what choices to make with a good rationale for their actions. As long as you are happy with your choices, then drug use or god use shouldn't matter. Neither is ultimately superior, at least while alive. Can't let use of either get too extreme, or it can be harmful to your health. Something to consider.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: confusion]
    #7581133 - 10/31/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ultimately, i think some of the most important things are love and sincerity, everyhting else should stem from that


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7581282 - 10/31/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ultimately, i think some of the most important things are love and sincerity, everyhting else should stem from that



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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7581332 - 10/31/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was raised in a Christian home and one of my bigger problems with Christianity is that "God" is susposed to be all knowing. Well, why is it he gives us free will. "God" knows when I am born whether or not I am going to Heaven or Hell. That is not free will. Doesn't that seem kinda sodistic.

Happiness is the key to life. If "God" makes you happy, good for you. If drugs makes you happy, good for you also.

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: jpea14]
    #7581386 - 10/31/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"i understood i was god when i was praying and realized i was talking to myself."


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7581515 - 10/31/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you gave up drugs for chrisianity? you got ripped off


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: danlennon3]
    #7581578 - 10/31/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Don't feed the trolls guys.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7581686 - 10/31/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Stop preaching.

Why can't you damn born-agains just be born again and leave the rest of us out of it?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7581728 - 10/31/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Religion is such a motherfucking joke <slaps forehead in dismay>


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7581734 - 10/31/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Why can't they get a little more cult-like and drink strychnine kool-aid at the next worship. Right after that they can go string harps with their invisible friends.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Adom]
    #7581741 - 10/31/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Because the true meaning of christianity is to piss off everyone that doesn't waste hours of their lives over it every week, and spends it doing something better, like taking a dump, or sleeping.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7581747 - 10/31/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Go talk to your fucking hands, no one cares.

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7581752 - 10/31/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7581755 - 10/31/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Sorry if I offended anyone and my post was not well met. I wasn't being pushy and I certainly wasn't invading this forum as I already had an account.

I simply wanted to share my story about what Christ did for me and how he can do the same for you. If anyone has any question please feel free to message me on my youtube account.

www.youtube.com/user/Johlyisd



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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: adrug]
    #7581778 - 10/31/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The Heavenly Father gave us 1 way to him and that is Christ Jesus. Does that mean all who aren’t Christian are going to hell? No, the Bible does not say that…it says Christ is in charge of who goes. If you want to minimize your odds of going to hell and maximize them of going to heaven, not to mention have your best life today




Um.... pretty sure you are wrong there, I do believe the Bible has written out the parameters of who and who doesnt go to heaven.....


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: andrewss]
    #7581788 - 10/31/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I am not going to Heaven when I die. I'll kick St. Peter in the balls.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7581807 - 10/31/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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hey man, i am a truth seeker. i grew up in a home of christian people, true, spiritually mature christian people. however, what it was that gave me reall tangible understanding of being a chinld of God and of a having a true, sincere relationhip with God, was mushrooms. I started eating mushroom for the reason of finding the truely true, and as i knocked, the door was opened. God communicated profound truths to me through the mushrooms, primarilly what faith really is, and how to live by faith, and the freedom that comes through this way of life. mushrooms have been extremely valuable to me in understanding my relationship with the Christ, who has set me free to soar like an eagle. It is very true that the bible has taught me the specifics of who God is, and who his son is and what he has done. i have learned so much by reading the words God has left us. I too have read the bible complete and re-read it. it has been so valuable in teaching me, and so have the mushrooms. I use them as a tool. i do not think that they have such inherent properties as the ones i have experienced, but i think that since the spirit of God lives inside me, and God and i live in harmony and onesness, his spirit is with me as i endeavour to use the mushrooms as a tool. it seems to me that he has blessed me with this amazing and interesting piece of his creation. in fact, what it is that drew me towards christ in the firt place was cannabis, this was my spiritual catalyst. Christ lives in me, and i believe that he has blessed me for not condemning myself for what i know is right. Romans 14 has given me much clarity on the controversy of this issue. Anyway, i appreciate your testimony of Christs leadership in your life.




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    #7581831 - 10/31/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The Heavenly Father gave us 1 way to him and that is Christ Jesus. Does that mean all who aren’t Christian are going to hell? No, the Bible does not say that…it says Christ is in charge of who goes. If you want to minimize your odds of going to hell and maximize them of going to heaven, not to mention have your best life today




Um.... pretty sure you are wrong there, I do believe the Bible has written out the parameters of who and who doesnt go to heaven.....




the things in the bible condemning homosexuality are just saying "hey, you might be happier if you weren't such a flaming homo"

its there to help us be happy in this life, not the next

jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within you. much love to homos btw


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: sleepy]
    #7581881 - 10/31/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I sort of like reading the bible from time to time.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7582041 - 10/31/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with you. Just remember to be careful when you are talking to other people about this stuff and let the Lord speak through you. If you try to explain this stuff yourself sometimes you can make it worse for people. But I am Christian and am really happy to hear about you.


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    #7582049 - 10/31/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The Heavenly Father gave us 1 way to him and that is Christ Jesus. Does that mean all who aren’t Christian are going to hell? No, the Bible does not say that…it says Christ is in charge of who goes. If you want to minimize your odds of going to hell and maximize them of going to heaven, not to mention have your best life today




Um.... pretty sure you are wrong there, I do believe the Bible has written out the parameters of who and who doesnt go to heaven.....




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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7582051 - 10/31/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Can you honestly say you get the MOST HIGH from being a christian? What about christians who smoke crack, they must get really fuckin high.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Asante]
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    #7582299 - 10/31/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm really disappointed at many of the responses here. :frown:



Unfortunately, people tend to respond with hate and close-mindedness to others they find hateful or close-minded.  I didn't watch that YouTube thing, so I don't know what's in there, but I didn't find the original post all that bad.  A bit preachy, perhaps, but not angry or hateful.  As for me, although my spiritual beliefs don't fit neatly into one category, I tend to identify myself as a Christian.  I don't take the Bible literally and I don't believe the world was created in 6 days, but I do consider Christ to be central to my spirituality.  I'd say my problem with the original post in this thread is that he comes of in a proselytizing manner.  I don't seek to convert anyone, but I've found that even telling people about my beliefs can elicit some condemnation and ridicule from others.  Now, I try to very careful about the extent and manner in which I express my beliefs on the Shroomery.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Silversoul]
    #7582356 - 10/31/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

if we have to find jesus does that mean he's hiding??


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Asante]
    #7582375 - 10/31/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: bbaeker]
    #7582385 - 10/31/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

im disappointed this hasnt been moved

what do you expect though its a drug forum


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im disappointed this hasnt been moved



Actually, it has been.  It was originally in P&S, but I guess the moderators found it lacking in spiritual or philosophical content.  Go figure.  :shrug:


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Silversoul]
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fuck religion - i love tripping. end of story


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it all goes together
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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7582953 - 11/01/07 04:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This isn't really pointed at anybody., more of a disgruntled rant - but Im sick of hearing about peoples miraculous transformations because of GOD.

I work in a place where we help a population that comes from bad backgrounds, and a lot of them convert to some sort of organized religion while in prison/rehab, etc.

I think religion is just another drug, and my theory is proved time and again, when the ones who are all hopped up on the christ, have a bad situation, and jump right back on the drugs.

Also, going to church is not a get out of jail free card to do and say what ever you want. Some of the meanest, nastiest people at my job are also the most "god fearing" and they really just don't get it.

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7582963 - 11/01/07 04:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

haha christianity is the biggest LOL religion i can think of.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7582965 - 11/01/07 04:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I dont get why the original poster got all sorts of bad ratings. It was clearly an opinion piece, intended to presuade people to accept christianity. It wasn't poorly written...

It just seems like some people knowingly clicked on a thread advocating a certain life path for the purpose of poo-pooing on that path

I'm not sure I really got anything out of the op's thread, but it was somewhat interesting, and certainly as advertised. While not exactly an original opinion, it certainly espouses a view not too many on these boards have.


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    #7582984 - 11/01/07 05:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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It just seems like some people knowingly clicked on a thread advocating a certain life path for the purpose of poo-pooing on that path




It'd be the same if someone was preaching worship of Odin, Allah, or Hitler. You can be as virtuous and as kind hearted as you like, but that doesn't detract from the fact you're associated with a hateful doctrine that preaches violence towards others and bigotry.

That's why I don't like this guy. That and he's dissing on psychedelics. They can't show you the way, but they can open the door. Some people, in awe of what they see, can't figure out how to go through it, or trip up.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7583002 - 11/01/07 05:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Congrats you've been brainwashed?

God spoke to me too, he said smoke some pot and live life.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Shroomism]
    #7583005 - 11/01/07 05:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hey, God spoke to me too!! what a coincidence!

he told me to stop reading the original post after the first paragraph. i'm glad i listen to God. he's all-knowing after all. :smirk:


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7583057 - 11/01/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

when i die, i want to go where ever gandhi got to go. if you are christian, you believe gandhi went to hell. if he doesnt get to go to heaven, there is no reason i should get to go.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7583741 - 11/01/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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You can be as virtuous and as kind hearted as you like, but that doesn't detract from the fact you're associated with a hateful doctrine that preaches violence towards others and bigotry.



You're judging him on preconceived notions of what Christianity is about, rather than what he's actually saying?  Excellent.

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That and he's dissing on psychedelics. They can't show you the way, but they can open the door.



So, in addition, he's also saying something that conflicts with your personal beliefs, and must suffer as a heretic.

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Silversoul]
    #7583807 - 11/01/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

A) dont force opinions
B) Why come to the shroomery boards to force opinions. We people dont need your guidance really.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7583906 - 11/01/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

when i die i want to be worm food, seriously. i have passed on my genes already and give them right direction in life before i die,. when i completed that i can die as a happy man knowing that my life had purpose and it was good. If religion is what makes your life makes sense, thats good for you. Religion for me would be like waking a path of illusions . I dint get that religion trip or we are all connected trip , my trips focus on nature and its system and how perfect it is, how life and death is perfect and how our ego is just a playground for thoughts in this life. I see the beauty in evolution and any thought that makes me think about there is higher powers or such makes that whole system of beauty I see in nature it makes it not so perfect if that was the case.. I have thought about it alot and I found out that how I see the world is the only way for me to make the world make sense. Life is great


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: GbBaker]
    #7584013 - 11/01/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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A) dont force opinions
B) Why come to the shroomery boards to force opinions. We people dont need your guidance really.



Care to explain the difference between forcing an opinion and sharing an opinion? Or is it just forcing an opinion because you disagree with it?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Asante]
    #7584158 - 11/01/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I actually do believe in Jesus, as being a real human, I believe in the light and love. I believe he was probably a really good man. Just like many of us all are. But I also believe it's a tool. When the truth speaks through masses there is then untruth. Find universal truths within your own self, not for the sake of belonging to a group.

Look at what religion has done to people throughout history. It persecuted us for being human, It's added governments and countries to rally the masses.

It's always changing face to follow the time. I believe in the power the creation, i believe we are the power of creation. We are the ones that make it and break it, just like mushrooms in a way. I try to follow heart my heart.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Cheezit]
    #7584697 - 11/01/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The other day at a Phil and friends show I was minding my own business jamming out on djembe, some guys came and sat down next to me. They wanted to know all my views on religion/spirituality and god etc. Not being a complete asshole, I shared with them my views based on my life experiences. They then proceeded to tell me how my personal spirituality was wrong and how jesus was the only way to heaven. It didn't matter that I told them I was raised in a Christian household, baptised at the age of 5, and had probably read and memorized more of the Bible than they had.. I was a sinner. I then told them why people like them are the entire reason I was turned off from the religion in the first place and that self-righteous attitude is exactly what made me despise it.

God is in all things, god is everything and everyone. There is no one true path to God as all paths are relative and subjective based on your experiences. What is real is love, and treating people with respect. Religion is just a lot of bullshit designed to control people's minds for the most part. See: Chrisianity and the Crusades.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Shroomism]
    #7584809 - 11/01/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I try to look at the individual rather than the religion. If I meet a Muslim, I'm not going to automatically think that they're sponsoring Al Qaeda. Similarly within Christianity, I've met a wide range of people. And I'm not even just talking about different denominations. Even among different people within a certain set of beliefs, there are different ways they live out those beliefs.

At my old job, there was a guy who you might call "born again," but he never shoved his beliefs down people's throats. He had T-shirts and bumper stickers expressing his faith in Christ, and I heard him listening to gay-ass Christian music in his car, but never tried to preach to us.

Even among those that preach to people, there are differences. There are the ones who tell you that you're wrong and you're going to hell, and then there are there ones that are like "This is Christ did for me, and he can do it for you too." You may remember a former member of Korn, Brian "Head" Welch, who became born again. I happened to hear an interview with him on the radio in which he expressed that he had no hate for gays or for different religions. For him it was all about the love, and I think you'll find it's the same for a lot of Christians.

I think the problem is that people tend to remember the assholes, and then when someone else talks to them about Christianity, it triggers a Pavlovian response in which that person is immediately lumped together with those assholes.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Shroomism]
    #7584897 - 11/01/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I personally don't believe in any of that, nor do I carry disdain for people who do. None of us can concretely explain why we're here, or if we truly have some ultimate purpose beyond reproducing. Seeing as nobody can explain our meaning, not even the religious nuts, I say: LET'S PARTY. Who gives a damn if people do drugs or engage in activities that are unholy? People can still be good and kind-hearted, even if they don't follow God's word - even if they do drugs or commit sins. This forum is proof of that.

If I were God, I'd make judgements based on how people lived their lives, not how skilled they were at sucking my ethereal wang.

If God is expecting us to figure him out before time's up and drops us into Hell if we don't succeed, then that's... fucked up. On that note, assuming God was a proven entity, I'd have a hard time following somebody who throws you into a firey pit for eternity if you disobey them. That seems pretty tyrannical, to me.

To me, it's all just hysteria. People still claim to have seen Elvis Presley at local gas stations. Same concept. It's easy to believe what you want to, and thus make yourself see what you want to.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7584921 - 11/01/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's always gonna be sour grapes with you, til you get right by Jesus.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Silversoul]
    #7584977 - 11/01/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

People can believe whatever they want - I'm not going to judge them for it. Practice whatever your religion and mind your own business, you're cool with me. It's when people start preaching about how their religion is the ONLY right religion, and start trying to shove their beliefs down your throat, when I get offended. I don't have a problem with christianity per se.. but some christians yeah.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Shroomism]
    #7584981 - 11/01/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

how was phil shroomism :gdicon: ?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7584982 - 11/01/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It was amazing :hippie:
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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Shroomism]
    #7584987 - 11/01/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

really you went to gelns falls.
i was thinkign of buying that shw, i dont midn trey with phil, on a good night he shreds it.
i heard he did good and made up for an under the weater jackie greene
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    #7584995 - 11/01/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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It's always gonna be sour grapes with you, til you get right by Jesus.






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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7585010 - 11/01/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah Im actually in glens falls.. it was kind of weird for me they kept switching between phish and dead.. phish and dead.. phish and dead.. was like a rollercoaster. But yeah they still tore it up.. worth getting a soundboard imo


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Shroomism]
    #7585014 - 11/01/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

really i diddnt see any phish tunes in the set lise
sept shine
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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: notapillow]
    #7585034 - 11/01/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You don't have to convince us to pray or find ''God''.

God can be me, you, Him, It, All.
He is within anything, he is within us.
God, or All?

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7585044 - 11/01/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

oh god do i luv choclate. i just finished off the remaining of our halloween candy.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Shroomism]
    #7586202 - 11/02/07 12:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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People can believe whatever they want - I'm not going to judge them for it. Practice whatever your religion and mind your own business, you're cool with me. It's when people start preaching about how their religion is the ONLY right religion, and start trying to shove their beliefs down your throat, when I get offended. I don't have a problem with christianity per se.. but some christians yeah.




How do you then accept that all religions and deity worship asks their followers to spread and convert all the heathens?

I see great great harm in deity worship and only will we truly evolve as beings when we wake up from the silliness of mysticism and theistic belief.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Thor]
    #7586210 - 11/02/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I see great great harm in deity worship and only will we truly evolve as beings when we wake up from the silliness of mysticism and theistic belief.



Sounds like the statement of a true believer.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Silversoul]
    #7586217 - 11/02/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Thor said:
I see great great harm in deity worship and only will we truly evolve as beings when we wake up from the silliness of mysticism and theistic belief.



Sounds like the statement of a true believer.




Amen.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Thor]
    #7586623 - 11/02/07 05:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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How do you then accept that all religions and deity worship asks their followers to spread and convert all the heathens?




That isn't true. When was the last time a Jew or Buddhist came up to you and tried to get you to convert?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Seuss]
    #7586640 - 11/02/07 05:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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How do you then accept that all religions and deity worship asks their followers to spread and convert all the heathens?




That isn't true. When was the last time a Jew or Buddhist came up to you and tried to get you to convert?




agreed. There is a difference between the practices of a religous/spiritual group and the religion itself, as set out through its texts.

There exist plenty of religions that don't advocate unwelcome advances on anyone, especially in christianity. Many of these denominations live near me... good people, live and let live mentality.

People seem to jump on the anti-christianity bandwagon for the sins of the christians, not the sins of christianity.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: johnm214]
    #7586653 - 11/02/07 06:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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agreed. There is a difference between the practices of a religous/spiritual group and the religion itself, as set out through its texts.

There exist plenty of religions that don't advocate unwelcome advances on anyone, especially in christianity. Many of these denominations live near me... good people, live and let live mentality.

People seem to jump on the anti-christianity bandwagon for the sins of the christians, not the sins of christianity.




yes but they all have the same bible,
if people are allowed to pick and choose from the bible the creates a climate that allows every kind of christian extremism possible(be it world domination, or murder of abortion clinic workers)

There is no way to separate the two; yes there is nothing wrong with this wishy-washy type of christianity but it allows every nut with a bible to have his own personal agenda become specifically respected for the sole reason that he can claim it is part of his religion.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: druqs]
    #7586668 - 11/02/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

All I'm saying is that their are a number of christian denominations that follow the good parts of the bible and preach decent idles, such as nonviolence, acceptance, and charity. While these groups may not follow the bible word-for-word, as their is all sorts of contradictory shit in the old testament, it seems to be a positive influence on their lives.

people identifying themselves christians are no more responsible for the actions of others as are we for the death of that kid who killed himself while others encouraged him on the IRC

check out the menonite and amish perspective and practices... seem pretty accepting and progresive in alot of ways


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: johnm214]
    #7586675 - 11/02/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah the new testament, specifically the teachings by jesus such as non violence are an acceptable part of the bible, but why only take these specifics and turn them into a religion? every sane person knows the difference between right and wrong...

i wounder if amish kids would still choose the life they lead having been given both options...

some one killed themselves on the shroomery IRC?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: druqs]
    #7586686 - 11/02/07 06:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i wounder if amish kids would still choose the life they lead having been given both options...






They do have both options, that's what I mean about it being somewhat progressive, well, that and the fact that they don't demean those outside of their faith, and they don't baptise at birth... you have to make your own decision as to whether you accept the religion at around your late teens (same w/ menonites)- so your not "pushed" into anything prior to you really being able to decide.

The amish get a year or so to go out on their own prior to commiting themselves to the church. During this time they leave the community and may live as a non-amish. At the end of this time they decide whether they wish to commit to the church. If so, they are accepted, baptised, et cet.

Better then most religions that force infants to be baptised

Here's a link on the practice (from google cache as I can't get wikipedia to work right now)

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:xlIc_A48jOcJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa+Rumspringa&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: johnm214]
    #7586689 - 11/02/07 06:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah thats pretty true i guess,

they should ask jew kids at birth if they want their foreskin though... :tongue2: :thumbup:


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: johnm214]
    #7586732 - 11/02/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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All I'm saying is that their are a number of christian denominations that follow the good parts of the bible and preach decent idles, such as nonviolence, acceptance, and charity. While these groups may not follow the bible word-for-word, as their is all sorts of contradictory shit in the old testament, it seems to be a positive influence on their lives.

people identifying themselves christians are no more responsible for the actions of others as are we for the death of that kid who killed himself while others encouraged him on the IRC

check out the menonite and amish perspective and practices... seem pretty accepting and progresive in alot of ways




I have no qualms with the quakers. If someone said that the earth was created when a god took a massive dump and spun it into the solar system, I would have no problem with that.

What I would have is someone coming to me, saying that believing in their big pile of steaming shit is the truth, and that my life is not complete without accepting it, or if I dare to criticise their fiction, I am not being respectful to their beliefs!

Well fuck me. If someone wants to believe that fire is cold and that drinking mercury is good for you, should I respect their beliefs? If someone says christianity is the one path to salvation, and I find it utterly disgusting due to all the evil, nasty shit in it, then I'm an intolerant bastard. At least I'm not malicious, or actively trying to attack people physically because my "beliefs" (or thinly disguised intolerance, with the guise of religion as an excuse) compel me to.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7586750 - 11/02/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I understand your aversion to preaching, but then why would you think poorly of someone who posts something in an appropriate forum, with a clear title. You knew what this post would contain, so why would you have a problem with it being available to those interested?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7586758 - 11/02/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

arrogance and ignorance is a disgusting combination, on all fronts.
so many assumptions, so many large egos.
we are going to destroy ourselves.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7586782 - 11/02/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Merkin]
    #7586786 - 11/02/07 07:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

to the whole thread,

blah blah blah. :blah:


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Seuss]
    #7586861 - 11/02/07 08:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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How do you then accept that all religions and deity worship asks their followers to spread and convert all the heathens?




That isn't true. When was the last time a Jew or Buddhist came up to you and tried to get you to convert?




Jews don't try and convert per se, but here in this city they canvas the streets looking for "lost sheep" of the faith to rein in.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Seuss]
    #7586900 - 11/02/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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How do you then accept that all religions and deity worship asks their followers to spread and convert all the heathens?




That isn't true. When was the last time a Jew or Buddhist came up to you and tried to get you to convert?




yeah, Jews just mainly convert other people's land


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: johnm214]
    #7587992 - 11/02/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I understand your aversion to preaching, but then why would you think poorly of someone who posts something in an appropriate forum, with a clear title. You knew what this post would contain, so why would you have a problem with it being available to those interested?




Because I'm a sucker for xtian trolls. They're funny.*

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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: schoolOnCid]
    #7588783 - 11/02/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Do you believe in extraterrestrials?


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7589259 - 11/02/07 07:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

of course he does. In their stories, god doesn't come from earth, thus is by definition an alien.


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Re: From high to MOST HIGH, my journey from drugs to Christianity [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7589378 - 11/02/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the only reason christ is so popular is because Constantine adopted it as the new roman religion. there are/were probably tons of people like christ or buddha. Muhammed was said to have a form of epilepsy that resulted in religious experiences. he was just in the right place at the right time with enough charisma to band a bunch of tribes together. there are kids around with the same form of epilepsy (if it is true that muhammed had it (check wiki)) but...well theres lots of reasons why they arnt considered prophets. so i guess my point is the big spiritual teachers had good pr and theres no reason to follow any of them and say that you're a christian or buddhist or jew because they all have pieces of the puzzle. I bet theres tons of non-pop spiritual teachers who are just as good as they are.


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