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Re: does the future exist? [Re: Amberthefrog]
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Physics is just a model, a practical model, but one that is continually being proved wrong.

A better interpretation is that physics is a model that is continually being improved, always converging on perfection as a limit though never actually reaching it.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Someone once asked me if I've lived in Florida my whole life.

I answered: "not yet".


And then they shot you dead?


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Re: does the future exist? [Re: Diploid]
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Once the model DOES converge, the mystery is solved and the Universe blows up and starts over with a fresh set of constants.


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Re: does the future exist? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Diploid said:
Someone once asked me if I've lived in Florida my whole life.

I answered: "not yet".


And then they shot you dead?


Someone would HAVE to kidnap him and take him to another state first.....    :evil:


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
dblaney said:
Quote:
trendal said:To someone outside of time, the future and past exist.


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I am not extremely well studied in physics, but as far as I know, this is a meaningless statement, as it is not possible to exist independently of time.


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Perhaps I should have used "space-time" instead of just "time" :wink:



But, if one were outside of space-time, observing space-time, wouldn't it appear as solid matter (as everything would be happening at once)....?


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: PhanTomCat]
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No, because two things never happen in the same place and time :wink:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: trendal]
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No, uhm, yeah, sort of- in the mind's potential only.


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Don't interrupt my delusional rant with the facts.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: trendal]
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Two things don't happen at the same time while IN the space time continuum - while being part of it....

If you were separate from it, what do you think you would see....?


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: PhanTomCat]
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"If you were separate from it, what do you think you would see....?"

"My God, it's full of stars !"


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
Perhaps I should have used "space-time" instead of just "time" :wink:


I don't understand how a spatially and temporally limited being (such as ourselves) could step out of space-time. Perhaps you could explain that to me?


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: dblaney]
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Who said anything about us, or anyone like us, being able to step out of space-time? :smirk:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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BlueCoyote said:
"If you were separate from it, what do you think you would see....?"

"My God, it's full of stars !"


That is exactly the thought I had in mind....!    :smile:  :thumbup:


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: trendal]
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Time is a measurement of motion. The "future" is a possibility of the direction of motion. Since it is a possibility, it does not exist. It is an idea, a concept, a non-reality.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said:
I don't understand how a spatially and temporally limited being (such as ourselves) could step out of space-time. Perhaps you could explain that to me?


Awareness does not exist within space-time.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: fireworks_god]
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*not to FWG*

Quote:
Does the future exist?


Not if one forgets their spouse's anniversary...


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Re: does the future exist? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
*not to FWG*

Quote:
Does the future exist?


Not if one forgets their spouse's anniversary...


What the....!!??  Is FWG the only one exempt from this....!!???
I guess modship has more power than I had originally thought....    :strokebeard:


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: PhanTomCat]
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I sit on a council that shapes world events now. :smirk:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
dblaney said:
I don't understand how a spatially and temporally limited being (such as ourselves) could step out of space-time. Perhaps you could explain that to me?


Awareness does not exist within space-time.


It seems that awareness can only arise within the context of space-time, however. Awareness is ALWAYS awareness of an object. Awareness would not be awareness if it were not aware of something, would it? And anything one can be aware of is spatial and temporal. So unless you mean something else, how can awareness not exist within space-time?


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: PhanTomCat]
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PhanTomCat said:
BlueCoyote said:
"If you were separate from it, what do you think you would see....?"

"My God, it's full of stars !"


That is exactly the thought I had in mind....!    :smile:  :thumbup:


>^;;^<


What makes you think we would see anything? Our sight is only a way to percieve things within spacetime. How do we step out of spacetime when we are just matter within it, percieving and manipulating this so called spacetime.

+ what the above poster said :smile:


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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass
It's about learning to dance in the rain

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Re: does the future exist? [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said:
It seems that awareness can only arise within the context of space-time, however. Awareness is ALWAYS awareness of an object. Awareness would not be awareness if it were not aware of something, would it? And anything one can be aware of is spatial and temporal. So unless you mean something else, how can awareness not exist within space-time?


How does awareness arise from the context of space-time?
Or did you meant to say that it arises from the realization that space-time is just a concept, a mental construct? Because if it so, it's not the same thing. You can't say that space-time was the catalyst of your awareness, it's the other way around... it's your awareness that makes one realize that space-time is limited.
Also, being aware of the concept space-time is not the same thing with having awareness in space-time.
More to that, awareness in something that can't be measurable, it is so by it's infinite potential. Now from what I know, space-time in determined, therefore finite... so if you state that awareness happens in space-time, you box awareness in... you limit it... and then I can conclude that the concept of limited awareness is a conflicting term.
The mental construct, in my opinion, is not one and the same thing with awareness, though they exist in a symbiotic manner.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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