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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: psyka]
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If you must defend your beliefs, then your beliefs are wrong.

And what do you base this on? I doubt this would hold true in many situations. Debate in this forum is all about defending beliefs to see if they hold up. Some do and some don't.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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I base it on "Truth should be able to stand on its own accord as it is always true in the present moment."


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: psyka]
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And what prey tell is truth?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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All things change, therefore all states of being are in a state of impermanence.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

Edited by psyka (05/12/07 11:45 AM)

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: psyka]
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No. That is not truth. That is a truth. What is truth?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
    #6905662 -

It is here and now. Looking beyond the present moment is craving for a concept for ones intellect to grasp at an aspect of truth.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: psyka]
    #6905674 -

So. Everyone IMO and experience does this. What does this have to do in particular with this subject? Are you being "spiritual"?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (05/12/07 11:52 AM)

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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I said deeper self delusion because we are all operating under delusions...all of us. No one is exempt. That was my meaning. I am deluded, you are deluded, we are all deluded. Value judgments add another layer of delusion to the dream.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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Read my last post.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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And what is delusion?


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I said deeper self delusion (as in being on "double secret probation" -animal house.)

:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

And hey, you can only speak for your own delusion. It's a trap to say others are deluded. Don't be trapped Hue. Don't do it.:grin::heart:

Edited by Icelander (05/12/07 08:41 PM)

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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Well think about it. If you are already operating under a set of beliefs that may or may not be accurate to reality, to assume additional beliefs reduces the possibility of accuracy.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: psyka]
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Delusion is operating under a set of beliefs as if this set of beliefs were accurate to reality.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Delusion is operating under a set of beliefs as if this set of beliefs were accurate to reality.


So, effectively, operating in general? :grin:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Well think about it. If you are already operating under a set of beliefs that may or may not be accurate to reality, to assume additional beliefs reduces the possibility of accuracy.


Yes, the best way to avoid delusion is to quit believing anything.  :grin:

Quote:
Delusion: false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence.


We MAY all be deluded, to one degree or another, but this does not necessarily mean that any additional beliefs will increase our delusion.  Only false beliefs which have been invalidated by the evidence = delusion.

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Delusion is operating under a set of beliefs as if this set of beliefs were accurate to reality.


So this is your belief?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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I'm saying I don't prefer to interact with most people because our values are so differing. Not that mine are better but very different.



My god they are going to have a tough time with you at the re-education camps.

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Clean]
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No shit.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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No, that is part of my psychoses.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Which is just another belief. Maybe it's not psychoses. Maybe you thinking that is delusional?

You are now on the road to OZ. I hope you're happy.;)


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (05/12/07 10:34 PM)

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