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OfflineMurex
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Neo-human speaks
    #1112012 - 12/05/02 01:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

[from Waking Life]

Neo-human guy: If you're looking at the highlights of human development, you have to look at the evolution of the organism, and then add the development of the interaction with its environment. Evolution of the organism will begin with the evolution of life, proceeding through the hominid, coming to the evolution of mankind: neanderthal, cro-magnon man. Now, interestingly, what you're looking at here are three strains: biological, anthropological (development of cities, cultures), and cultural (which is human expression). Now, what you've seen here is the evolution of populations, not so much the evolution of individuals. And in addition, if you look at the time-scale that's involved here: two billion years for life, six million years for the hominid, a hundred-thousand years for mankind as we know it, you're beginning to see the telescoping nature of the evolutionary paradigm. And then, when you get to agriculture, when you get to the scientific revolution and the industrial revolution, you're looking at ten thousand years, four hundred years, a hundred and fifty years. You're seeing a further telescoping of this evolutionary time. What that means is that as we go through the new evolution, it's going to telescope to the point that we should see it manifest itself within our lifetimes, within a generation. The new evolution stems from information, and it stems from two types of information: digital and analog. The digital is artificial intelligence; The analog results from molecular biology, the cloning of the organism, and you knit the two together with neurobiology. Before, under the old evolutionary paradigm, one would die and the other would grow and dominate. But, under the new paradigm, they would exist as a mutually supportive, non-competitive grouping independent from the external. Now what is interesting here is that evolution now becomes an individually-centered process eminating from the needs and desires of the individual, and not an external process, a passive process, where the individual is just at the whim of the collective.
So, you produce a neo-human with a new individuality, a new consciousness. But, that's only the beginning of the evolutionary cycle because as the next cycle proceeds, the input is now this new intelligence. As intelligence pods on intelligence, as abilty pods on ability, the speed changes. Until what? Until you reach a crescendo. In a way, it could be imagined as an almost instantaneous fulfillment of human, human and neo-human, potential. It could be something totally different. It could be the amplification of the individual...the multiplication of individual existences, parallel existences, now with the individual no longer restricted by time and space. And the manifestations of this neo-human type evolution could be dramatically counter-intuitive; That's the interesting part. The old evolution is cold, it's sterile, it's efficient. And, it's manifestations are those social adaptations. We're talking about parasitism, dominance, morality, war, predation. These will be subject to de-emphasis. These will be subject to de-evolution. The new evolutionary paradigm will give us the human traits of truth, of loyalty, of justice, of freedom. These will be the manifestations of the new evolution, and that is what we would hope to see from this, that would be nice.



..........What do you all think about this theroy?


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
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Re: Neo-human speaks [Re: Murex]
    #1112048 - 12/05/02 01:27 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

It's a great blend of hogwash and bullshit.  So many errors, scientific and philosophic that it boggles the mind.

I also think I am tired and need to sleep.  I'll be back later to tear it into tiny little pieces.

Good Night Murex!  You rock hard! :smile:

Good thread btw.  It should "create" some great conversation and "evolve" into a great thread. :wink:


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Re: Neo-human speaks [Re: ]
    #1112064 - 12/05/02 01:34 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Goodnight Mr. Mushrooms.  :smirk:


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: Neo-human speaks [Re: Murex]
    #1112181 - 12/05/02 02:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah... there's alot of sophistry in that movie.
Nothing original (new to the silver screen maybe).
A whole lotta rhetoric.

Reminds me of my story about Dirk the dog.


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Re: Neo-human speaks [Re: ]
    #1112384 - 12/05/02 02:57 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i eagerly await your analyzation.
my somewhat malleable mind was fairly taken by that long passage. I can at least notice the speaker has taken many liberties and assumptions. how else can they make such a broad, complicated subject and stick it into a <10 minute vinette.
i've seen about a half hour of Waking Life, but it seemed like i was paying too much attention to the interesting animation than the subject matter....


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Re: Neo-human speaks [Re: Murex]
    #1112419 - 12/05/02 03:21 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

He's making the assumption that the next stage of evolution would be a concious replica of man with the 'benefits' of artificial intelligence/machinery. Assuming that this will ever be possible, and I highly doubt that it will, then what makes this neo-human so divine and perfect. Giving the human brain the ability of much longer life could no lead to global enlightenment. Thats ridiculous. The natural corruption of man would most likely lead to some horrible disaster, where the neohuman would become quite powerful and unremorseful. But this is a character in a movie about a dream. I have had numerous dreams where strange thinks like this have been mentioned by a character in my dream.


Edited by Remy (12/05/02 10:33 AM)


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