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OfflinePsycheStudent
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The true purpose of humanity
    #1632214 - 06/13/03 11:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It is hard to find true meaning in life where people can only explain life by means of dogma, myth, and simple rationalizations. What is the true purpose of life on this planet?

Through my analyzation of life and what our true purpose could acually be I have finally come to some conclusions of true our purpose as a species on this planet. First, I believe we are not here strictly for our own happiness and pleasure. This is nowhere near a purpose for existence. It is also no coincidence that everything pleasurable is potentially addictive and destructive. Not to say we should not seek pleasure but to say that there is an equalibrium that needs to be maintained.

Second, I found that humans are distinctly different from other creatures and are capable of self-reflection for good reason, for everything has true purpose or why would it even exist. Does anyone actually realize how much had to go exactly right for anything at all to exist in the cosmic void we call space? This was meant to happen and for good reason. The ultimate reason.

The expenditure of matter in the universe is currently explained by the Big Bang. The formation of the planets is currently explained by the Nebular Hypothesis. But, read these and other theories all you want, you will not get any insight into the what could be our true purpose and reason for being.

I believe we are able to self-reflect because we are consciousness evolved. Every living thing has consciousness to some degree, even life that has no brain. The brain is simply the tool consciousness manipulates in order to control a physical body and interact with a physical world, a from of true telekinesis. As life evolved from single-celled organisms, consciousness evolved too, into different and more efficient life-forms. Theses life-forms get weeded out by the survival of the fittest and continue to change.

Would you like to see proof of the intelligence of nature? Here is one of many examples; I have a California Kingsnake as a pet. This pet was captive bred and obtained by me as a hatchling. Kingsnakes have the defense mechanism to mimick rattlesnakes when threatened. They shake their tail violently exactly like a rattlesnake does, only they do not possess a rattle. My snake was captive bred. It has never encountered a rattlesnake in its' entire life, but yet it knows how to mimick one perfectly. I seriously doubt that the snake consciously knows that it is mimicking a rattlesnake. How could it, it has never encountered one. Nature designed this defence and chose to instill it in the brain of the kingsnake because they closely resemble rattlesnakes and other poisonous snakes, but are not themselves poisonous and have little defence against preditors. There is no other logical explanation for this to possibly happen unless nature really has consciousness. There are millions of examples of this in nature, this is only one.

We as human beings are far different than any other life-form on this earth showing us that we have a purpose all our own. We evolved at the time we did for good reason. We are consciousness evolved and now have been given the chance to liberate our mind (our branch of consciousness). This is the greatest gift that we can possess. We can even utilyze anything we need from nature and have the gift to create anything we need that nature does not directly provide (like your car). But, instead of trying to acheive this purpose most people choose to remain ignorant to this and only seek vain desires instead of trying to acheive our ultimate purpose. What other purpose could we truely have? Does anyone really believe that be could one day travel to another world light-years away or something equally prepostorous? There is a cosmic speed limit. No matter can travel faster than light for a reason and all attempts to get by this will be futile. The answers we seek are within and not in the physical world. Even if we could somehow get around to another world, we will surely wipe out ourselves and possibly the whole planet before that technology would ever be established.

Ultimately, humanity as a species of life and our planet, will eventually meet demise like everything in the cosmic universe. But while you are living in this world you possess the greatest gift of all, the chance to acheive liberation and move to higher realms of existence where your mind will no longer suffer.

All matter in the universe gets recycled and is connected in one way of another. To believe that the mind does not is naive and foolish.


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: PsycheStudent]
    #1632221 - 06/13/03 11:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)


You must be new here.


Good post, but this is like kindergarden stuff in this forum. :wink:


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: Murex]
    #1632331 - 06/14/03 12:50 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

awsome post!, nothing wrong with going back to the basics :laugh:


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: soylent_green]
    #1632341 - 06/14/03 12:55 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks you. I felt that this needed to be said in order to give insight to anyone who was interested.



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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: PsycheStudent]
    #1632662 - 06/14/03 04:51 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i liked it and i usually dont read anything that long on here. i got one beef with you tho what makes you think that we will never be able to travel faster than light? cause einstein said so? that doesnt mean anything when man first decided to break the speed of sound they didnt know what would happen they thought maybe when you hit it your plane would blow up like it hit a wall or barrier that is why they called it the speed barrier well that was obviously wrong. and whos to say that the speed of light is absolute? even now as i type this there are very smart men and women working on the varible speed of light theory. then there is the folded space theory and many others also remember that einsteins theory of relativity is just that a theory. theorys arent proven so it works for our take on physics now but probly will be redesigned or improved on in just a few hundred years. if i was a betting man your damn right that id put my money down for man to walk on a new planet orbiting a new star. unfortunately i wont be there to see it.

i think our reson in life, our purpose, is simply being. you see we are here for a purpose and its one we as humans will never know. that said all we can do is live and die. but you cant live life looking for an answer because youll never find one. you can live your life for what it is an experiance. in the words of van wilder "dont take life to seriously...or you wont make it out alive"

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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: blaze2]
    #1632755 - 06/14/03 08:30 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Heh Murex..  now now..  don't go chasing him away already! :wink:


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: nubious]
    #1632805 - 06/14/03 10:12 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think i understand everything now.

The universe is a continually expanding and evolving system. It is more chaotic and more complex now, than it was yesterday or 1 second ago. In the beginning there was perfection, complete order. Then something happened. It started getting more chaotic and it hasn't stopped since. I read somewhere that it was 15 billion years ago.
It isn't a sensible question to ask what the meaning of it is, because looking for a purpose is just an evolved instinctual human reaction to find out what things are for and how they can be used. What can i use the universe for? Anything. Everything. There is no purpose, it just is.


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: PsycheStudent]
    #1632855 - 06/14/03 11:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Good post and well-written.

You convey your thoughts rather clearly. I especially like the example of the California Kingsnake. I find animal instincts to be a really fascinating field of biology. The examples of a spider who knows exactly how to build a web, or a bird who knows exactly how to build a nest, are good ones as well. I just think it's so neat that specific knowledge and information can actually be passed on through the genes.

I wonder why humans have no instincts, though. We are a very social animal, completely dependent on others for our survival. Maybe we will develop instincts and such as a result of the rapid "consciousness evolution" that many people say is taking place. Perhaps instincts are not really passed down through genes, but instead the spider knows how to build his web because spiders have already undergone some sort of consciousness evolution? Who knows...

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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1632865 - 06/14/03 11:31 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

What do you mean humans have no instincts? We have loads of them. The two most obvious ones are the most important for our survival, this is 'grasping' and 'suckling'...you know, grab the boob, suck on it.


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: zee_werp]
    #1632879 - 06/14/03 11:39 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

True, I agree that grasping and sucking are instincts that we have. However, the mother still has to place her baby at her breast and assist it in suckling, so this behavior is almost learned in a way.

In reply to we have loads of them, though, I completely disagree. In fact, grasping and sucking are the only true instincts we have, that I can think of. I am interested to hear what other instincts you think we have, though, because this is something that I've thought about a lot.

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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: PsycheStudent]
    #1632938 - 06/14/03 12:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees!!! - - I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues, and I'm asking you sir at the top of my lungs....."


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: PsycheStudent]
    #1632979 - 06/14/03 12:59 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

PsycheStudent writes:

First, I believe we are not here strictly for our own happiness and pleasure.

Why do you believe this? By what process did you come to this conclusion?

...everything has true purpose...

Unproven and unprovable. Existence need have no purpose or justification.

...or why would it even exist.

Invalid question. The question assumes that existence cannot occur randomly. Existence exists. There need be no "why" behind it.

This was meant to happen and for good reason.

Proof, please.

The ultimate reason.

Which is?

But, read these and other theories all you want, you will not get any insight into the what could be our true purpose and reason for being.

Perhaps because there is neither purpose nor reason for it.

I believe we are able to self-reflect because we are consciousness evolved.

If you mean that self-reflection is possible only to conscious entities, is that not self-evident?

Every living thing has consciousness to some degree, even life that has no brain.

Even if this were true (and there is no evidence that it is), this does not mean that every living thing is capable of self-reflection.

We as human beings are far different than any other life-form on this earth...

Correct.

... showing us that we have a purpose all our own.

This does not logically follow at all. Pure speculation.

We evolved at the time we did for good reason.

Proof, please. And by the way, what is this "good reason" you keep alluding to?

Even if we could somehow get around to another world, we will surely wipe out ourselves and possibly the whole planet before that technology would ever be established.

Speculation with no shred of supporting argument.

But while you are living in this world you possess the greatest gift of all, the chance to acheive liberation...

Liberation from what?

... and move to higher realms of existence...

How?

... where your mind will no longer suffer.

Why do you presume my mind is suffering now?

All matter in the universe gets recycled and is connected in one way of another. To believe that the mind does not is naive and foolish.

What you assert regarding matter may be true. Why do you presume the mind is a material object?

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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: Phred]
    #1633024 - 06/14/03 01:37 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think it is just as much possible that we have a divine purpose than if we have no purpose at all.

You are quick to debunk his claims, but you can't offer any proof of your own.

There's the whole "burden of proof" thing, but I don't see that either side holds more weight.


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1633031 - 06/14/03 01:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:


In reply to we have loads of them, though, I completely disagree. In fact, grasping and sucking are the only true instincts we have, that I can think of. I am interested to hear what other instincts you think we have, though, because this is something that I've thought about a lot.




Well one instinct I can think of is the "flight or fight" instinct. This is where our mind automatically responds to some sort of stimuli and decides whether to run, fight, or just stand still. Of course, sometimes this instinct can be either over-developed and hyper-sensitive, or even non-existant.

I think one of the things that distingushes us from other animals is we can question our instincts and change them.


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: PsycheStudent]
    #1633034 - 06/14/03 01:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The purpose of human life on the planet Earth is to constantly learn and evolve, emotionally, physically, mentally, and spiritually, through constant life experience.


That is one of them anyway.


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: Twirling]
    #1633036 - 06/14/03 01:45 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

That is not an instinct by definition.  It is something we learn.

Infants do not recognize anything as threatening or dangerous.  As we age, we learn to see different things in these terms, and then learn to either fight or take flight from them.

In reply to

"I think one of the things that distingushes us from other animals is we can question our instincts and change them."

What instincts???    :confused:


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: Grav]
    #1633096 - 06/14/03 02:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Grav writes:

You are quick to debunk his claims, but you can't offer any proof of your own.

I need not. He is the one asserting that there is some "purpose" to life (although he never gets around to naming this purpose), the burden of proof is his. He provides nothing but opinion, belief, arbitrary assertion and speculation.

I am not "debunking" his claim, I am asking that he provide at least an iota of supporting evidence for it, or at the very least that he tell us what the "purpose" actually is.

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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: PsycheStudent]
    #1633156 - 06/14/03 03:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

gee it looks like everybody around here has got everything figured out pretty nicely.


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: Strumpling]
    #1633217 - 06/14/03 03:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with pinksharkmark. You can't make statements like these without proof. All pinksharkmark was doing is breaking down his theory. All these people that claim to know the "truth" should go and start their own church's, at least then they could make some money off of this bullshit.

That being said, I don't discount either possibility. I'm just highly skeptical of someone who does.

RebelSteve33 - I believe basic emotions are instinctual. Happiness, distress (has a varied range (fear, discomfort, anger, etc.))


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Re: The true purpose of humanity [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1633338 - 06/14/03 05:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry, pinkshark, I was sort of going into my own little argument there of purpose vs. no purpose from a fundamental perspective. (is that the right way to say it?)

I see that you were responding to a post that went into a more detailed view of purpose.

All apologies for not reading very carefully!


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