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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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I never said he was incorrect, but that his attitude is a trap. If one chooses that trap there is no correct or incorrect...only choice and responsibility for that choice.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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One must choose their altitude with considerable care.


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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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And he never said that the ways of dominant culture were incorrect, just that they were ignorant and fear-based.

We all have our personal biases about they way humans "should be" or "would be better off" or "could find more contentment and satisfaction."  You are putting forth your opinion that giving the ways of modern culture a :thumbdown: is a trap, just as he has put forth his opinion that humans are not well-served by being assimilated into that culture.

I don't see a difference.  :shrug:

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas: And he never said that the ways of dominant culture were incorrect...

I could swear it's already been determined that the only bit of correct incorrectness floating about is this one ...

Veritas: He is absolutely correct in his claims that your attitude is incorrect.

Then again, when a "schizophrenic" calls for a reality check...





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Edited by spiritualemerg (05/11/07 09:01 PM)

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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Certainly not! He is absolutely correct in his claims that your attitude is incorrect


You were indicating that I was being a hypocrite with this statement. I made no value judgment of any sort. I only indicated that the viewpoint I perceived him expressing was a trap. A trap is a trap...it is not good or bad. It is all in what you want to catch.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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You also said:

Embracing that attitude puts one in danger of deeper self delusion.

Is this a value-neutral statement as well?

C'mon, you were clearly expressing a judgment that his attitude towards humanity is incorrect, and then stating that he was incorrect for saying that they were incorrect.  :lol:

It's OK, as I said, we all have our "pet" ideas of what constitutes the best philosophy--why else would we find it entertaining and edifying to post here? :wink:

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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then stating that he was incorrect for saying that they were incorrect


No, you are putting words in my mouth. Your trying to tell me what I meant instead of reading what I said. Now here is a value judgment: if you assume what people mean instead of reading or hearing what is actually said there will be communication errors. Value judgments are necessary in life. I simply said that to render judgments about incorrect and correct concerning a way of life is a trap.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: spiritualemerg]
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Very much agreed. It is a very practically oriented practice :smile:


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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There is no difference. And I am not saying culture is wrong. I'm saying it's asleep and therefore unskillful. Culture is "right" in the fact that it is. Not my preference though. That's what this thread was about for me. I'm saying I don't prefer to interact with most people because our values are so differing. Not that mine are better but very different.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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Why are you arguing with her? She was agreeing with you. Your wording here is more clear and to the point. Put that way I agree with you.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Why are you arguing with her?

Don't put words in my mouth:grin:.

I wasn't arguing. I was agreeing with her point and then explaining myself further. Remember that I left my initial wording to get that great reaction out of you.:heart:

I'm glad that we agree. I knew we would.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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If you had simply said that it was a trap, then I might agree that your statement was not a value judgment, but you also said that it would lead to "deeper self-delusion," and I cannot agree with you that this is meant to be neutral.

I'm not putting words in your mouth...in fact, I quoted you word-for-word. I stand by my assessment.

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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Ouch. Now Hue, what does your self-importance have to say about this?:monkeydance:

Now don't hit.:kaboom: I'm just having fun.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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Sheesh, you'd think that it was somehow unusual for someone to have an opinion as to the "best" or "most preferable" way for humans to think/feel/believe/act.  Isn't that the point of philosophy?  To kick around one's ideas about THE way to live, and invite others to do the same, in order to discover the merit of said ideas?

As I said, there is nothing wrong with stating that you do not believe someone else's idea of the way to be is correct.  But to follow up such a statement with another statement that there is no correct way, and that we should not judge others' ways as being incorrect, is a bit off.

:shrug:

Still love ya', Hue!  :hug:

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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She loves ya Hue. Soon both our families will be together and the loving can begin in earnest.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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:lol:  :rofl2:

*Hue opens new browser window, logs in to his online travel service, quickly cancels flight.*

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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Hey, we're all going to the redwoods again for a day. :heart:

Some new faces will be along to meet.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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Ah-hah!  So you are interested in some humans.  :wink:

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Veritas]
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of course.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Not too interested in Humanity. [Re: Icelander]
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If you must defend your beliefs, then your beliefs are wrong. Truth should be able to stand on its own accord as it is always true in the present moment.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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