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Christian Theology
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I found this link to be a very clear exposition of Christian theology (despite the many typographical errors). With patience, one can learn a great deal about the intellectual doctrines that developed from the few sparse words found in the canonical Bible. I am mind-blown even now to think that wars were fought over some of these intellectual differences about things that no person could ever Know - the nature of God. I included some paragraphs about the meanings attributed to the words 'Son,' 'Son of God, 'Logos' and other pertinent terms. My intention is to aid people in getting past the crude personifications of terms like 'Son of God' which turn the younger generation away from exploring the deeper meanings of Christianity.
http://shoutvoicetrump.com/Trinity.shtml


The "Son of God," as we use the Biblical appellation to designate Jesus of Nazareth, is quite different from the Nicene concept of God the Son. This latter phrase is non-existent in the new Testament. Jesus had a beginning when He was born of a virgin ... The man Jesus did not pre-exist in heaven any more than His brethren pre-existed (other than in the mind of the Creator). ... Jesus to be considered eternal (just as all of God's elect are eternal Eph.1:4,5): as they exist eternally in the counsels of God before all time. The Logos is thus eternal while the man Jesus is not.

... Greek theoreticians confused these two ideas: God's pre-existent Logos and the historical man, Jesus.

... Greek speculations ... that the Lord Jesus' himself, not the Logos or Wisdom or Spirit that was incarnate in Jesus, left the heavenly sphere to 'make us rich through his poverty.' In other words, Jesus Christ has been errantly conceived as pre-existent and eternal - God the eternal Son, rather than Son of the eternal God - a belief that the pre-existent Logos in heaven, had taken on the identity of the historical Jesus of the gospel events.

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... Thus, instead of that which was eternal remaining simply the Logos: the full expression of God's thoughts at the beginning (Jn.1:1), the eternal Word became an eternal Son: a Second Person, loving and being loved by the Father for all eternity. This concept is nowhere present in the Bible. It was the Logos becoming flesh which gave to us the Son "that in the dispensation of the fullness of times [God] might gather together in one all thins in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth [male and female: Christ and the Church]: even in him." Eph.1:10

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Before time and space (... before the creation) John is speaking of the divine Logos, not the divine Jesus! There is a distinct difference;...
"... Jesus of Nazareth is the Word made flesh, God's Logos in person, God's Wisdom in human form."

"For since the writings of John the title of 'Son of God' is given only to the historic Christ so called, neither the Logos alone, nor Jesus alone, but... Jesus through the Logos united with God is 'the only begotten Son of God.'"

This is precisely the point made by the Apologists. ... the conjuction of the two natures in Christ, ...

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"St. John uses Logos as a title of the pre-existent, never as a title of the incarnate ... For him the Logos is called Son only proleptically (... something as existing before its proper or historical time...). He was called Son of God and Son of Man only because he was to become such at the incarnation ... The Son of God is Logos plus flesh.

In his first epistle John emphasizes ... that it is the Word which is pre-existent and not the Son. For nowhere in the Bible do we find an eternal Son!
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word [... the Logos], and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (I Jn.5:7)

... scholars agree the best translation reads, "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God [not Son], who is in the bosom of the Father, he has explained him."


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Re: Christian Theology [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I wonder, is the term 'logos' interchangeable with the term 'truth'?


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Re: Christian Theology [Re: WScott]
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Logos can mean 'word,' 'meaning,' 'reason,' and perhaps 'truth' in the synonymous sense of 'reality.'


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Re: Christian Theology [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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What I am then getting at, pending on the actuality of logos being synonymous with truth, is what then is there to separate Jesus Christ of the New Testament (referring to Him being God) and other spiritual/religious leaders around the world such as Prince Siddhartha (Buddha)? Both of these men's teachings are rooted in the Golden Rule, compassion and serving humanity. Both of these men.. were men. Men who knew the truth.. or logos.


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Re: Christian Theology [Re: WScott]
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This fear that Christianity would "unravel" is brought out in this lengthy article. Doctrine had to support a unique Truth of special manifestation of God all the way down to the physical plane, not just remain in the realm of mythos. It is the root cause of Christian imperialism and does not IMO, facilitate the Enlightenment/Salvation of humanity but it has been responsible for numberless atrocities against humankind.


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Re: Christian Theology [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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thank you for posting this.

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Re: Christian Theology [Re: porcupine]
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It's a point of view that is worth revisiting. Obviously, 'Saint' Paul was completely wrong about the immanent return of Christ in glory, or, perhaps Paul was himself as Gnostic as many early Gnostics thought he was before the exoteric Church interpreted Paul's words along historical lines. Elaine Pagels wrote The Gnostic Paul and illustrated an alternative way for his words to be understood. Clearly, there has been no triumph of God's Goodness over evil in the world, and to maintain so on the basis of Biblical doctrine - that Christ's victory over death was a victory over evil as well, only it's only partially realized, is wrong! That flies in the face of reality! Roman Catholic persecutions, the Inquisition, pogroms against the Jews, Crusades against the Muslims, witch hunts and torture, countless wars, chattel slavery, the Holocaust, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, Stalin, the H-Bomb, ethnic 'cleansings,' Angola, Hutsie & Tutsies, blood diamonds, Thai child sex-slave industry, serial killers, oil company eco-disasters, global warming....

Justification, Sanctification, Deification [Theosis], Beatitude, Ascension, Resurrection, Judgement, etc. might more accurately refer to 'movements' of Consciousness [formerly" Spirit] in the process of transcending the confines of our earthly mind-body in particular, and the world in general. In the words of the title of a book by Rev. John Shelby Spong: "Christianity Must Change or Die."


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