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 monkeylove
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 Mush And The Spirit 
#617299 - 04/24/02 11:26 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Has anyone had a profound spiritual awakening from mushrooms? I mean, one that you can remember after the trip is over?
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 Xlea321
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 Re: Mush And The Spirit [Re: monkeylove]
#617338 - 04/24/02 12:15 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, pretty much every time I trip. I think it depends on the persons temperament, just like some people's temperament is suited to working in an office for 50 years, buying a big car, going for a few beers, other peoples temperament lends itself to spiritual experience.
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Re: Mush And The Spirit [Re: monkeylove]
#617398 - 04/24/02 01:33 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mushrooms are sacred to me I a only use them for self exploration, I had spiritual awakening from them but I do understand your question, I still can not bring every thing back from my journey, I know that I have been in some strange and fantastic place, but when I come back I only have a vague memory, like waking up from a dream.
What helps to remember is a tape recorder and if there is something important try to recorded, I say try because things get very complicated to do when I am tripping (like pressing the wrong buttons, or walking) but that is a another story.
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Re: Mush And The Spirit [Re: LOBO]
#617442 - 04/24/02 02:29 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think we all need to be careful what we consider a "spiritual experiance" and i do not exclude myself from this either.
For instance, i had done acid and shrooms at least 30-40 times until something actually clicked and it was like life was the dream and entering this state of conciousness was like "waking up".
When i used to trip, i would always end up with that "wierd" mush feeling and i could never take large amounts because all it would do is intensify this feeling to an unbearable point. Dont get me wrong, i was still having the full blown "psychedelic" experiance and everything that comes with it. Lately i have been thinking that maybe the "psychedelic experiance" is more like the dynamic transition state between body and spirit.
Anyway, with much learning and experimentation i have found methods that assist in the journey from normal conciousness to the desired state. These methods include physical actions as well as certain thought patterns and vocal sounds which result in the willed change in conciousness. I can now take mushrooms in "heroic doses" and be just fine. I was actually amazed, being a scientist, when i discovered that this very real physical discomfort was merely caused by my resistance to the mental change that was taking place.
Again, referring to my first statement, i do not claim to have reached some ultimate level nor do i claim to be a guru. Truthfully, i have only been able to reach the "end" or "desired state" or "spiritual experiance" a few times and i have done much experimenting, i can assure you.
Getting to your actual question, i believe the key elements that need to be brought back from a trip are the ways to get back to that state. Think about music and art, much of that is brought back from other states of conciousness. What happens when you listen to music while tripping? I dont want to get into all of that. thats just my 2 cents
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Re: Mush And The Spirit [Re: Catalysis]
#617464 - 04/24/02 02:55 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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When i used to trip, i would always end up with that "wierd" mush feeling and i could never take large amounts because all it would do is intensify this feeling to an unbearable point.
See my Thread: "Can't Trip Anymore" as this the exact same feeling that I had yesterday.
Anyway, with much learning and experimentation i have found methods that assist in the journey from normal conciousness to the desired state.
Would be interested in hearing more about this.
I can now take mushrooms in "heroic doses" and be just fine.
That's pretty amazing!
I was actually amazed, being a scientist, when i discovered that this very real physical discomfort was merely caused by my resistance to the mental change that was taking place.
I don't doubt that, but am not sure if I would like to risk that level of extreme discomfort again, even with new tools to assist me.
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Re: Mush And The Spirit [Re: LOBO]
#617525 - 04/24/02 03:58 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Strange, I always have a crystal clear memory of every second of a trip. It's too important to forget!
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Re: Mush And The Spirit [Re: Catalysis]
#617550 - 04/24/02 04:23 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Every experience is a spiritual experience..it's just a matter of degree.
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Re: Mush And The Spirit [Re: Catalysis]
#617651 - 04/24/02 06:01 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes I had that weird mush feeling for the first two years, I did not like it at all, it was to uneasy for me that?s way in the beginning I use to do it always with some fear, fear of venturing into something very alien to my mind.
But Later I started to only do it in nature settings and got easier, (I only do it in nature and no less that 5g) and added rue into it (it helped a lot) and one day after a mega dose I saw what was to me the spirit of the shroom, and it said to me (not in words) that it had things to showed me, and that are relationship was ok like it was accepting me o something, and since then so far I always have a very positive trip, with no edginess to it.
Now take this story like you want I am only describing what happen to me.
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Re: Mush And The Spirit [Re: Revelation]
#617670 - 04/24/02 06:28 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I had my first when i was 16. I had done cid about 30 times previously and was very knowledgable in psychdelia. It was about the eighth hour of a moderately powerful LSD trip which was just winding down. I had returned home and went into seclusion in my room where i proceeded to turn on the radio (rebel radio) and spark a pipe. I vivedly remember the song "hanger 18" come on by Megadeth. Its kind of like remembering what you were doing when JFK was shot (not that i was alive then).
Anyway, this is where it gets a little fuzzy. I remember sitting down and begining to focus on the music until i could visualize the patterns and gain a deeper understanding of it (which is common on acid). The state of conciousness which i subsequently entered is very difficult to describe. I think it can be closely related to the idea of a "stream of conciousness" experiance. It was as if i knew the answer to everey question before i asked it...but for some strange reason i didnt really ask anything because nothing seemed important enough, i guess. Like i said its difficult to explain.
Ive heard the question on this forum; What real usefulness can come from all this?
I dont really know, but it is interesting to note that i have been able to play the guitar ever since...
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 Re: Mush And The Spirit [Re: LOBO]
#618057 - 04/25/02 03:48 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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the first two times i tripped, in high school, and the third, my second year of college, were not undertaken with any amount of knowledge about set and setting. they were difficult, painful, edgy and weird. my body was on fire as my mind tried to stick around and cope with the situations i'd put myself in. i had no intention of ever doing it again.
then, a couple entered my life through a Green party meeting, and asked me to trip acid with them after we became friends. we tripped in a group of 6; the couple and their friends, who are now married, had tripped many times together and trusted each other like, well, family. the album, to which i have since tripped many times and always with amazing results, was tripping daisy's _jesus hits like the atom bomb_. we laid on sleeping bags, drank OJ, didn't try to talk or entertain each other or seem normal... just sunk lower and lower and slower and slower until... BANG. the shared space, the Beat, the Real Experience. none of us knew how to talk about it at the time, but my friend recalled later that at one point he opened his eyes to see if we were there with him... and at that exact moment ALL of us opened our eyes for the same reason... i peaked as i never have before or since in total bliss and release into the Beat (i say since because that reality has become my baseline on every drug :P). with some stuttering, almost every trip since (for nearly four years now...) has been a spiritual awakening, a humbling and empowering and gentle reminder that the world isn't Reality and Reality isn't so far away.
here's something i wrote to that same friend last night, my current description of what I understand or remember about the Beat:
there are two simultaneous realities, the square one and the Beat. the Beat fits all music and all instinctual movements. if you can settle down, and be genuine with several virtue-type words like hope, faith, gentle nature, childlike playfulness, etc... you will find the Beat. when you find the Beat, you wake up into your whole self, and are reinitiated into the club of old souls. uncanny things will happen which could be explained by coincidence, except that they happen more and more frequently. 'the look,' a physical acknowledgement of a shared space of love and recognition that is not telepathy but what i called Shary McRealinheimer once, will follow you. no matter how square you look, the Beat dances you and the Real Kids of the Sun will see you and welcome you home. it will happen more often if you look like a Freak, because they won't be as easily scared off. (acknowledging the reality of the Beat and the Share is difficult enough, coming out of the western brainpress, and getting up the courage to practice with strangers and loved ones is much harder still... difficult sounding like a nutter) some Kids are much better at 'the outloud version' and will readily acknowledge with body movements and mumbled words what is happening. some Kids remember the Beat (its existence, not its rhythm) all the time, and they make art to remind the rest of us. this surprise recognition thing is part of the Purpose or something. we, the old souls, the neutral angels, are secret agents with the shared mission of figuring out how to recognize one another as... elves, aliens, ninjas, muppets, cartoons... and form heaven through genuine communication, courageous acceptance of total freedom, and mutual responsibility.
god and the devil share the Secret Recogniition office in the Secret Purpose building. god's job is to make this recognition incredibly simple, and the devil's is to make it almost impossible. they pretty much set the whole thing in motion with the whole mushrooms vs. language thing, and now they play with bubbles all day and do cartwheels in the park. they have huge, hard eyes that pour out love.
animals stay in the Beat all the time, and they spot you too. little kids feel the Beat, too, and if we start them right and don't feed them a line about 'growing out of it' so they stop playing with reality and only play in their heads, they'll be much stronger than we are by our age. speaking of kids... the old souls stand like old trees in various proximities... those close to one another are trying across lifetimes to strengthen their links and bonds in preparation for the final merger, the square Circle... the people you are closest to seem to come out of nowhere and you feel like you've known them all your life; when you share the Beat with them you'll find this is quite apparently true. some Kids have been working together for aeons; they are real soulmates and find each other electrically, magically, with a POP, though whether this is easy or hard has maybe to do with karma and specific challenges the two need to work out. their act of creation is a square Circle, a fuck and an act of perfect Love, and the combination carried out in this spirit is a magic person, a naked cluemonkey, a wave of potential in the great WHOMPWHOMPWHOMP of the Beat. the Beat is mad, chaotic, frenzied, but also slower, softer and smoother than the square world. the Beat is Godhead, it is nothing, it is you and it makes square reality look like TV. it is the Real Experiencing the Real. it has layer and layers and layers of complexity but is totally simple.
just voices from the Beat, metaphors strung together, guesses and intuitions... responses welcome  i wonder sometimes if any of this stuff resonates with anyone else...
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Funny that I can read somthing like what you wrote "the beat" and say I understand you.
Thanks for sharing.
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