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OfflineLOBO
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How do you classify the mushroom spirit?
    #1628373 - 06/12/03 10:24 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

For those that feel and believe that shrooms have a spirit, how do you classify this spirit?
In My case I am more and more convinced that there is some type of intelligence behind this sacrament.
Through the years of "dreaming with them" I felt that I have establish a type of relationship with it and start to understand how it communicates with me.
I came to the conclusion that this spirit for years was testing me to prove if I was worth of its friendship, like bad trips etc.
Until one day the spirit it self appeared to me, told me that now I was all right, and that had things to show me.
Since then all my ventures into its realm have been very positive, one way it communicates with me, is with sensations to my body when it approves or disproves something I am thinking, or if it wants to show me visions will pull me away from a spot.
I also feel that this spirit is very playful and sometimes likes to tease me, I felt it does this when I am very stiff and serious and to enter fully into its realm, I have to let go and become like a child.
Well I know that some of you must think that I am crazy, but I will like to know if any of you feels this way and if you have any thing to add to it.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: LOBO]
    #1628920 - 06/12/03 02:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

How do you classify the mushroom spirit?

As a concept, a thought experiment, or a focusing technique.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: LOBO]
    #1628932 - 06/12/03 03:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Seriously Lobo, if the mushroom had a spirit, don't you think that a trip would be qualitatively different than one on pure synthetic psilocybin? No one can tell the difference, which seems to point to a purely chemical interaction.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Swami]
    #1628969 - 06/12/03 03:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

hey lobo,
i dig your rhymes.

i hear what ya mean.
i haven't gotten that uplink from shrooms however: my door was unlocked differently.

but same nonetheless. what works for you works for you.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: 11polakie11]
    #1629100 - 06/12/03 04:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I can't even find the mushrooms
let alone the spirit.

I've read of people meeting the peyote spirit who chastised them for using it primarily recreationaly rather than as a spiritual quest but I personaly think the drive towards experiencing an expanded state of awareness reflects an inner need to connect with spirit, to work on oneself spiritualy. There IS more to life than meets the eye, and any psychotropic could be a religious sacrament (imo)


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: castaway]
    #1629190 - 06/12/03 05:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

If you wanna meet the mushroom spirit, eat 5 dried grams and say "hello, am I alone?" and see what happens  :smirk:


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1629547 - 06/12/03 07:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I hope one day I could do that .

I guess I need a guided entheogenic experience; There must be web-sites for that kind of vacation


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1629642 - 06/12/03 08:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

If it answers... I would be very scared.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Cougheeman]
    #1630421 - 06/13/03 02:44 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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In My case I am more and more convinced that there is some type of intelligence behind this sacrament.




its God.  to understand this, you must understand God, if you instantly think of any religion or any other bullshit you heard about god, then you are already off track and will think duh.

letting go is definately the thing to do!  go out of body, dont stick around and feel the discomfort that you will start to feel if you dont LET GO. dont sit there and feel like you have just a skeleton and no body, if you feel like this then its time to leave the world behind  and be one with the universe(or if it suits you better, god).(now whos the crazy one?)  lay down, close your eyes, relax and let go, THEN you will know the "magic", hallucinating isnt very fuckin magical to me.

its pretty logic to me to let go, why wouldnt you? why take something if you arent going to experience what you pay for.  To me the shroom experience is all about the out of body experience and merging with God.  if you aint merged with the universe and become one(with god) then you aint trippin balls!

you need to understand that it isnt the mushroom that has the spirit, the mushroom simply opens your mind to acknowledge the spirit that is always there, even if you dont think it is.  God has a keen sense of humor, doesnt he?

:grin:, imho


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: LOBO]
    #1630601 - 06/13/03 04:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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For those that feel and believe that shrooms have a spirit, how do you classify this spirit?



I think that the mushroom spirit is not the mushroom itself...but
...what I really think is happening is that the mushrooms allow you to see the spirit all around us...  It's the same spirit that dwells through-out our entire planet.
It's what we call nature, god, satan, life, death, weather, patterns, coincidences, EVERYTHING. It's constantly moving... It's ALIVE.
It is within mushrooms as well as everything else.
Psilocybin just changes our brain chemistry- (thus perception) -allowing us to view this spirit in ways that would normally be hidden. I don't think that it is a spirit in and of itself, but it's more like a connection with a spirit that is everything that we know, 'the gaian mind' or the collective consciousness. It always makes itself known to me in the form of an enormous, usually red serpent who never stops moving.  :smile: 


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: LOBO]
    #1630641 - 06/13/03 05:53 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Swami]
    #1630644 - 06/13/03 05:58 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know Swami.. I think I could tell a real trip from one on synthetic psilocybin.. want to challenge me?


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Re: Lobo [Re: LOBO]
    #1630736 - 06/13/03 08:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)


"one day the spirit it self appeared to me, told me ..."-

Voice language?

"one way it communicates with me, is with sensations to my body when it approves or disproves something I am thinking,"-

Chills in the chest region? Chakra?

"and become like a child"-

Become vulnerable to the influence of the spirit.
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Ask for stuff to write down like automatic-writing,
you know, stuff like the meaning of life, and then post them somewhere under a pseudonym.

Ask a question for me please...

"Does inclusive resolution of conflict towards the alleviation of misery have to include pain and death? And if not then how do we get around it."

I'm stuck on my path at the moment and could use some pointers also if any are forthcoming...I appreciate any help you can provide.


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Re: Lobo [Re: castaway]
    #1630744 - 06/13/03 08:46 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

To answer some you, and to relate a bit more of my feeling with respect to the mushrooms, I feel the connection to the spirit Gaia, and what can only be describe as being in the presence of God (on heavy douses), but at the same time I feel very clearly this unique presence which is the mushroom, has a distinctive personality, and it is it that helps you reach the other levels, kind of a guide.
In some esoteric literature they talk about, that each plant and animal has a governing spirit (deva) and that some people claim that they can communicate with them and is how they have learned about the properties of each plant etc.
No like I said before I did not feel this before, it showed it self to me and from then on is that I feel its presence.
And I have read that they gave synthetic psylocibin to Maria Sabina and she said that it had no spirit?
I know it sounds cucu, but is what I am experiencing.


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Re: Lobo [Re: castaway]
    #1630766 - 06/13/03 09:30 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

"Voice language?"

When it appeared to me, id not hear sound coming out of it but I understood very clear the message, I guess telepathy?

"Chills in the chest region? Chakra?"

More like mini orgasm?s in the hole upper torso and head.

"Become vulnerable to the influence of the spirit."

NO not vulnerable, become like when you were a little kid (5 or 6 years)connect to how you use to feel back then.

And for your question my friend, The answer is with in you I dont think the mushroom will give you that answer It may just help you get rid of the fog in your mind.
Take 5 grams and you will have your answer, I am pretty sure what the answer is, not because I am wise or enlighten.
Because is usually the same answer for every thing.
When you reach your higher self, every thing is as it should be there is no conflict confusion or doubt.
You live in love harmony and wonder is in that state that you realize all your conflicts are illusions or like Mr T will say just jiba jaba.
The problem is that we forget later and fall a seep again.
But what do I know, I am just jiba jabing  :wink:
 


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Re: Lobo [Re: LOBO]
    #1630803 - 06/13/03 10:12 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I hope you don't mind the questions.
I am intrigued.

Does this communication only occur under the influence?

And how often do you partake of the entheogenic experience in the course of a year?


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Re: Lobo [Re: castaway]
    #1630886 - 06/13/03 10:54 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

For the moment just under the influence, and I take the sacrament no more than 2 or 3 times a year (at least 5 G).
Takes me a long time to digest each experience, and I don't mind your questions, I am intrigued my self thats why I posted the topic.


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Re: Lobo [Re: LOBO]
    #1630918 - 06/13/03 11:05 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

"at least 5 g"-

With Maoi (sp?) (rue)?

Do you have to take that much to experience communication?

I've only experienced a level 1 I guess and that was in Panama 25 years ago when I was in the army. If I did 5g around here I'm pretty sure I'd wake up in the observation ward.

Do you have a trip record I can see?


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1630931 - 06/13/03 11:09 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know Swami.. I think I could tell a real trip from one on synthetic psilocybin.. want to challenge me?

Yes, I want to open myself up to felony charges for manufacture and distribution...

Maria Sabina, the cuarandera and shamaness, from whom the magic mushrooms were "rediscovered" by Wasson, was given pure psilocybin and noted no difference. So to speak of a "mushroom spirit" is highly inaccurate as the "spirit" resides in the chemical structure of the tryptamine molecule, not from a formerly living fungus. The mycelium, spores, fruiting body and all that a mushroom dreams of and lives for, is totally irrelevant.

The "spirit" has no life of it's own and is unable to be "contacted" until subsequent
interaction with human neuronal receptors. This is known as a "bio-chemical" reaction not superstition.






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Re: Lobo [Re: castaway]
    #1630961 - 06/13/03 11:22 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I always use rue, "communication" happens in my case at least at a level 3 and up trip.
I don?t have trip reports sorry.


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