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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Lobo [Re: LOBO]
    #1630990 - 06/13/03 06:41 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Rue (or caapi) is hardly part of the mushroom family. It contains the chemicals harmine and harmiline which also work fine in synthetic form.

So once again, how can the mushroom spirit be contacted, if in fact no mushrooms are truly necessary to have this contact? Are you merely being poetic? Or are you saying the spirit exists independently of the fungus and the fungus is merely a catalyst; a transport system to where the spirit resides?


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Swami]
    #1631046 - 06/13/03 07:14 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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So to speak of a "mushroom spirit" is highly inaccurate as the "spirit" resides in the chemical structure of the tryptamine molecule, not from a formerly living fungus. The mycelium, spores, fruiting body and all that a mushroom dreams of and lives for, is totally irrelevant.




semantics, semantics , I frankly don?t know were the spirit resides whether is the fruit body or not (I will think the later"), that?s not the point, If you feel more comfortable with "The tryptamine molecule Spirit" works for me.
I called it Mushroom spirit it just feels better to me to get my experience explained.

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The "spirit" has no life of it's own and is unable to be "contacted" until subsequent
interaction with human neuronal receptors. This is known as a "bio-chemical" reaction not superstition.





Well that?s your opinion and I am glad that you see it so clear, That is not my case, The intention of posting this topic was to share an honest experience that I had and try to understand the mushroom experience and how it reacts to my being, this topic was for those who share similar experiences and feel that the "mushroom has a spirit" and that there is a possibility that could be communication with it.
If you read my first posting is very clear.
I may one day think and feel like you, but for the moment I will continue with my explorations because there maybe just one possibility these things do happen and exist, and are part of the Human experience.
I like to keep my mind and options open for the moment.
But your opinions are welcomed.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: LOBO]
    #1631086 - 06/13/03 07:38 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

semantics, semantics , I frankly don?t know were the spirit resides whether is the fruit body or not (I will think the later"), that?s not the point, If you feel more comfortable with "The tryptamine molecule Spirit" works for me.
I called it Mushroom spirit it just feels better to me to get my experience explained.


That is fine, but is not merely semantic nit-picking designed to irritate you. Clarification is actually necessary to set the groundwork for a discussion.

Webster:

spir?it ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sprt)
n.

The vital principle or animating force within living beings.


As no living or formerly living organism need be used, then it cannot be either the tryptamine molecule spirit (it was not living) nor the mushroom spirit (the mushroom is not necessary).

This contact may actually be accessing a part of the human mind normally hidden from view, so one may be have an internal rather than an external dialogue.



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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Swami]
    #1631128 - 06/13/03 08:04 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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This contact may actually be accessing a part of the human mind normally hidden from view, so one may be have an internal rather than an external dialogue.





Swami I accept that possibility that the dialog could be with in, but can you accept the possibility that it could also be outside?
Did you had this experience? that you are so sure.
I am open to both possibilities, but I am basing my explanation on my experience, and it feels like outside.
Now if you want me to admit that I am crazy cuz I talk to shrooms, I am even open to that explanation.
I am not here to convince you or any body in that case, I just wanted to share this experience and if some one had something similar to share it back that?s it.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: LOBO]
    #1631158 - 06/13/03 08:16 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

the closest i have come to "feeling" the "shroom spirit" is when i felt that the world was nearin an end, i "felt" this, it was said to me thought feelings, i also came to realize that people were becomign more and more open everyday, and not so close minded and becoming more aware of their spirituality.


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Re: Lobo [Re: LOBO]
    #1631901 - 06/14/03 02:22 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

What you describe certainly fits with another description:

http://pathwork.org/lectures/lectlist2.html

"Establishing contact is always up to you, however, and it always requires your openness. Then you will receive.
If you are patient and you do not want only one particular answer, or if you are not set in your mind to receive the answer in one particular way, but leave to God as to how it will come to you -- then you will gradually establish a perfect and wonderful contact. Perhaps it will feel quite different from what you have imagined, but whatever God decides will ultimately be best for you.So when seeking such personal contact, this should be your motive and this should be the way to go about it.

The higher self certainly manifests itself. But it cannot always come through clearly, for it is covered by many layers of imperfection, layers of dense matter, all the distortions that necessitate life on earth. If these layers were not present, life on earth would be superfluous. If the higher self could manifest itself as easily as all that, you would not have to live again and again; you would be advanced far enough not to have to go through further incarnations.

The voice of your own higher self is so far away and soft, sometimes so inaccessible, that it does not speak clearly to you in so many words, but acts simply by guiding you to heed what you call "conscience." Thus the higher self can influence you to fight your lower self.

The higher self, when listened to, can make itself known in the course of life, through certain actions and reactions, but it cannot converse with you the way a spirit can.

In other words, the higher self acts and guides to a certain extent, but it does not speak coherently. It inspires thought, but it does not speak the way I speak through this medium. Or it does not speak in a way capable of being heard."

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The first 24 lectures provide the complete kernal of the channelled work and the rest was 'gravy-train', to be blunt, I think.

There are many points I disagree with and yet I found these articles to be a very enlightening read.




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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Swami]
    #1632813 - 06/14/03 05:19 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Webster:

spir?it ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sprt)
n.

The vital principle or animating force within living beings.





When you think about it, among all the animating forces that cause mushrooms to grow, the human intent to have a shroom trip is included. I have seen many mushrooms that wouldn't have existed if it weren't for this human interest in them. Therefore, the "spirit of the mushroom" is partly human and lives within our brains.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: LOBO]
    #1632964 - 06/14/03 07:44 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Swami I accept that possibility that the dialog could be with in, but can you accept the possibility that it could also be outside?
It is possible, but highly unlikely. What evidence would point you in that direction?

When I eat an apple, does the apple allow me to access energy from "outside" or is the energy released from the chemical breakdown of the sugars?

Similarly, when I eat magic mushrooms, does the mushroom allow me to access energy or dimensions from "outside" or is the effect merely a result of biochemical reactions?

Did you had this experience? that you are so sure.
I have had one contact experience that was very powerful. As a non-tripping person nearby would experience nothing unusual; it certainly points to an internal state no matter how it "feels".

Remember though, that a schizophrenic hears voices that no one else can, but these voices feed him false information.

The one measure (to me) that contact came from outside (or from accessing such a profound inner state as to transcend the inner/outer definition) would be to receive verifiable information that would be impossible to know otherwise.





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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Swami]
    #10230311 - 04/25/09 05:24 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

im not sure if theres a mushroom spirit persay... but maybe more of a connection with the life force of the world.

a beeing of sorts, more of a force then an entity.

a spirit maybe?

who knows.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Swami]
    #10230320 - 04/25/09 05:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Swami said:
Seriously Lobo, if the mushroom had a spirit, don't you think that a trip would be qualitatively different than one on pure synthetic psilocybin? No one can tell the difference, which seems to point to a purely chemical interaction. 




I believe it is a chemical reaction that puts you into a state where you can communicate with the spirits. I don't think that there is a mushroom spirit, that is IMO. A lot of people do think there is one. I have heard that the mushroom spirit is male and the ayahuasca spirit is female.

I communicate with the spirits on mushrooms in a dream like manner. I can talk and they talk and show me scenes. I usually get a lot of energy work done on me, that is accompanied by abstract images.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: kingjames488]
    #10230353 - 04/25/09 05:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

This is probably not the actual mushroom spirit, but this is something I saw on my last trip.  It was toward the beginning of the trip and I was laying on the bed with my eyes closed.  It's a rough, simplistic, childlike sketch of something that was fleshy, three dimensional and very much alive at the time.  Each of the petals is a snake head and the stem moved like a snake.  The different facial expressions represent that each one had a separate consciousness, but worked as a whole creature.  I had the sensation that it knew everything about me and had a rather low opinion of me.  It was hungry, drooling, and it was going to eat me.  I didn't want to go there, so I got up off the bed and walked to the living room, never to see it again.  Not a fantastic drawing, but the vision of it has stuck with me ever since and I wonder if being consumed actually would have been a good thing, even though I was stifled by fear.  On the other hand, I probably made the right decision.  Because the main theme of the peaking hours was that everything in my life had lead up to that trip, that day, and the experience was doing what it was supposed to be doing.  I think I was simply offered a choice of how it was going to go down:  in the La-Z-Boy recliner in the living room, or in the interdimensional belly of a snakeheaded bloodflower.



The words don't mean anything.  I just sketched this on a piece of paper where I'd already written myself a note to meet my friend on Friday.  Once again, sorry the drawing is so stupid looking, but I had to put it out there.  Is this part of the mushroom intelligence or an "invading entity" trying to take advantage of me in my state of weakness?  Am I the only one who's seen this thing?  Is it just a meaningless creation of my sick, cowardly soul or was it a harbinger of something more?


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: sterbeklang]
    #10231681 - 04/26/09 12:12 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I've never seen a snakeheaded bloodflower, but on high doses of Psilocybe I tend to see a malevolent jester figure; perhaps the personification of the Trickster archetype?

IMO you should try to embrace whatever experiences are trying to make you afraid.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: deCypher]
    #10231990 - 04/26/09 01:16 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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tend to see a malevolent jester figure; perhaps the personification of the Trickster archetype?




You read too much into things. That is just me fucking with your head. :yesnod:


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: deCypher]
    #10232101 - 04/26/09 01:39 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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deCypher said:
...but on high doses of Psilocybe I tend to see a malevolent jester figure; perhaps the personification of the Trickster archetype?



Interesting, one of my friends who I tripped with experienced this same figure whom he called, "The Joker".


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Albert King]
    #10232144 - 04/26/09 01:47 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe those spirits can work on your rating.:satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: Icelander]
    #10232157 - 04/26/09 01:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Low ratings are God's will made manifest.


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Re: How do you classify the mushroom spirit? [Re: deCypher]
    #10233304 - 04/26/09 05:28 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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deCypher said:
I've never seen a snakeheaded bloodflower, but on high doses of Psilocybe I tend to see a malevolent jester figure; perhaps the personification of the Trickster archetype?

IMO you should try to embrace whatever experiences are trying to make you afraid.




Oh yeah, this totally had the Jester feel too it.  But a dark, all-knowing Jester who wanted to eat me.  All it needed was the little hat with the bells on it.

I think I agree with you to some extent... I was very afraid of it and probably should have confronted it instead of running away.  But it was my first trip in 10 years, so I was scared.  Maybe next time.


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