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Re: You are silent [Re: capliberty]
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That's cool, but that's not quite what I'm saying. The last thing I'm trying to do here is to get people to blindly believe what I am saying. This is impossible anyway. It is all experiential knowledge, I just want everyone to experience that.

I don't mean to imply that you never should feel fear. This is of course ridiculous. It's just that without the story of the 'me', it can be just a feeling, and you can feel what it is like to feel it. All of a sudden 'terror' can be exhilirating and you can be curious about it. It can be just what it is without wishing that it would ever go away. The point is that when we think this silly thing we label as 'fear' should go away and not ever exist, that is bondage.

Hmm, now I disagree partly with what I wrote, too. Self is not absolute, it is absoluteness. Self is not silent, it is silence. It is not hidden, which is why we can't find it when we go looking. (Not that that means to stop seeking). And silence doesn't mean absence of sound. It is that same silence permeating the sound of a jackhammer, it is just silence dancing with silence. It's kind of a subtle difference, but it's important. You are the direct experience of absoluteness experiencing absoluteness, there is nothing to be absolute or non-absolute.

You are allowed to believe what you want about right and wrong, and who am I to tell you different if you have found your truth? My freedom is seeing them as the transparencies that they are. There is just silence dancing with silence. Is it right to stay in school? Well, that might help the story of the 'me', but really does it make a difference? The only difference it can possibly make is in the story of me, which is just a story. THIS never changes. By this I mean the thisness of being. What you really really really are never changes. How can something that never changes ever be right or wrong? It transcends right and wrong because those are just illusory ideas within the story of the me.

The story always knows what is right and wrong, it has to! Because without these boundaries of right and wrong, the story is actually uncertain of itself. The me wants to be right all the time, and it wants to see other people it decides to disagree with as wrong all the time. When we take away these illusions of right and wrong, a little separateness disappears. All of a sudden there's not such a clearly labeled and defined 'you' and 'me'. The story wants to be sure of itself so badly! That's why it creates all of these ideas, it is like the food of the fake me. But you can't really be sure of anything. All of a sudden you aren't in this box of beliefs and ideas and expectations. What are you without right and wrong? What are you when you just are and don't expect anything from anyone or anything? You can surrender everything you want to silence but the only thing silence wants is nothing. Silence doesn't care if you go to the jungle and give up all of your things, or if you give up all of your relationships, or whatever. Silence just wants you to give nothing, and then it gives you the best gift in the world. Nothing.

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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you kind of remind me of level 5 mushroom trip in your reasoning, you've definitely evolved the basic meanings behind concepts and words? Its funny how once you evolve the meaning the concept dissolves, as they form and converge as you transcend the 3 dimensional spectrum, as the paradox of good and evil, right and wrong, space and time, etc. converge into one, as our being evolves at an exponential rate, it dissolves the meanings to which our ego is bound, meaning our existence becomes one with the universe, as I was trying to convey to some of the people here that there is no real point to philosophy, because the meanings we attach to the words to convey our philosophy becomes obsolete, lose their meaning through the evolution of our thinking

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Re: You are silent [Re: capliberty]
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Hehe yes, no-one ever found truth in a book, a debate table, or at the top of a mountain. Real truth is here within itself, expressing itself within everything right now. It's so not hidden, which is why we can't find it when we look. It reveals itself when we stop looking for a something and start looking for the sake of looking.

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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ummm....God is Love.  Love is known to us because of God.  and for all you mathmatical people:  if God = Love then Love must = God.  "the heart of man is desperately wicked and decietful above all things."  i don't just believe it because the Bible tells me so, but because it's a fucking no-brainer.  look around.  do you think you're better than the psychopath on death row?  maybe you don't have as many issues as he or she does, but ALL sin is the same in the eyes of the Holy God. 

we cannot surrender our entire beings to a simple "feeling".  Jesus, save us from the fools trying to tell other fools how to think.  what happens when the blind lead the blind?  myself included.  i don't claim to know everything, but shit, people, i DO know when to give credit and respect to GOD, our Creator and His son, Jesus, the Savior of men's souls! 

pray without ceasing.  give thanks to God for His mercy. even now to those of you searching for Who or What God is exactly, thank Him for His mercy in sparing your sin-filled lives long enough to show you the TRUTH and the meaning of life!!!!  God is LOVE.  it is not of ourselves because we are imperfect.  we need a Savior.  the ultimate sacrifice was made for our retched souls to be able to connect with our PERFECT Creator and therefore we can experience His perfect Love!!!  THANK YOU, GOD!!!!!!  we don't deserve it.

a redeeming quality is that you are on the right track with wanting to be consumed by love.  just remember Who love comes from and that without Him true Love wouldn't exist.  :heart:


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"super-cali-fragi-listic-expi-ali-docious"
-Mary Poppins

"if it's fucked up, un-fuck it."
-K.S.

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Re: You are silent [Re: realitycheck]
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I agree with most of what you said. I don't think it makes sense for anyone to call anyone blind, especially if they (you) are readily admitting your own blindness. How is one blind man going to tell another blind man the color of his eyes?

The way I see it, God is love, yes. But that love that god is permeates all things, including us. The mistake comes when we see Jesus as the sole son of god. We are all the children of god, and entirely capable of everything Jesus was. Jesus chose surrender. So surrender every moment to God.

All these ideas about us not deserving God's love are what prevents us from knowing it. If we did not deserve, then it would not be there for us. So many people prevent themselves from feeling even a little joy because they think they are too terrible, when that has nothing to do with it. If God permeates all, then we are of God and not only deserving of his love, but infused and sustained by it. The true nature of everything's being is God itself. When you wake up from the dream of the story of 'me', you notice that what you really really are has absolutely nothing to do with even the ideas of perfection or imperfection. You are no different from god, there is absolutely no separation between us and god. And it is within every bit of dust in the universe. And the story of the 'me' is perfect even within its own fiction of perfections and imperfections, which are designed to bring about the realization that we are not a story. It is out of God's perfect love that we exist to grow and realize him. We are not just here to suffer and then die, hoping we made it into some heaven.

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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correct.

If someone speaks Spanish, their understanding of love may seem entirely different to us when they try to communicate it.

But it's still love.

The same is true if someone speaks Christian, and wants to see it as a separate unity from self, or Gnostic Christian seeing that they want to transform into Christ-consciousness, and that there is no separate Christ to be found.

Or maybe they speak Buddhist and they want to say, you know what it doesn't matter, I'm going to sit down and meditate and find it on my own..... and then they kind of keep quiet about it and just love people.....

Maybe Christianity is the only way, who knows....... maybe .0001% of the population that has transformed into Christ-hood (and hopefully it's at least 1%) does...... and they would be able to tell you.

The rest of us are just trying to make sense of things.

To me Jesus makes sense, I just am not sure if it's anything more than a symbol and a metaphor...... but I would hope that the proper forces guide me into the right path for me to experience love and dissolution of all inferior concepts, til gradually I am nothing but love (peace and joy and happiness and all those things considered as well) and everything else is shed away.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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