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 Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF?  [Re: ]
#616309 - 04/23/02 11:26 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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The brain usage myth started from an MRI scan and was misquoted, which hardly qualifies as spirituality or philosophy. I went over this in GREAT detail previously.
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: Swami]
#616353 - 04/23/02 12:27 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you. Still, can anyone respond to my questions about controlling the internal organs and generally the hole body??
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: dumlovesyou]
#616398 - 04/23/02 01:11 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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here's what i did. I read the Revelations, they scared me shitless, then I read Mathew which just about destroyed me from the shame it brought on me. I said to myself, what the " Hell " am i doing or have i been doing for my whole life, really thats what happened. I then vowed to myself that i would stop giving in to the devil ( temptation ). I haven't had a smoke for three days man, it is the best feeling, i feel so much more alive and free than before, almost like a kid again, it will change your life. I also said that i would follow Jesus, teach his good news, and devote most the rest of my time to my ascension which would include energy work, meditation, esp training for i will need all those skills for the last days to "survive". My diet has drastically changed, I can only speek of one downside, the wishing to return home to the creator, but i have been told to do the alpha meditation to balance this emotion. As soon as you learn to accept that this reality is no more or less real than your dreams, or any other demension, you will never be the same. I would highly recommend reading shift of the ages, really i have found the key to all of the things i am experiencing is simply believing, leaving most of the information and experiences from this demension behind and looking into the next, it's about seeing something more outa life, a higher purpose for yourself, a longing for knowledge which will come to you, i gaurantee it.
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insanity with a plan, a plan to stop exercising truth as compared to breathing thin air, but to experience truth as all there is to experience, for what do i not already have that exsists? All i can do is enjoy the ride.
Edited by cHeMiCaLbLuE (04/23/02 01:17 PM)
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: dumlovesyou]
#616403 - 04/23/02 01:16 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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The real question is; is it really YOU doing the controlling in the first place?
*coughs (society)*
dumlovesyou, in response to your question about controlling the mind;
i believe it is possible to gain greater control over the mind through correct use of the WILL. This is not as simple as it seems though. For instance, you may have to go through a complex and deep pattern of thoughts until the desired effect can be achieved.
I think a good example of this is someone who has studied the bible for years and has taken every word to heart. When these people go through the willed actions of recieving a baptism or communion, I believe that it causes a change much deeper within the human psyce than would be possible in a normal state of conciousness. They are, therefore, effectively in dominance over the mind. This sometimes results in the much sought after "spiritual experiance".
i dont know if this helps you or not
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: cHeMiCaLbLuE]
#617100 - 04/24/02 05:53 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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WOW!! COOL! When did you actually start all this?? I ask because you say you haven't smoke for three days. I started practicing for few weeks now, but it's not very easy. I hope I will never give up! I realized a lot of stuff lately, that's why I am asking these questions..  I am waiting for your replay. I also keep a diet.
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: dumlovesyou]
#617161 - 04/24/02 07:46 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey,
I was just reading through this thread and noticed you comment. Just wanted to clarify that the idea that we only you use 5% of our brain (or 10, or 20) is not true. There is, in fact, no evidence for this claim that can be found in the scientific literature. I asked a professor of mine about this a while ago, and although he did not know how the myth started, he and colleagues are positive that there is no basis for it.
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Concepts which have been proved to be useful in ordering things easily acquire such an authority over us that we forget their human origins and accept them as invariable.- Albert Einstein
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: buttonion]
#617411 - 04/24/02 01:41 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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...the idea that we only you use 5% of our brain (or 10, or 20) is not true.
Yea, if that were the case, chimpanzees would be graduating from MIT and Cal Tech. After all, their brains are big enough if you believe that nonsense.
Another example of pop-science. Swami, I feel your pain.
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: ]
#617435 - 04/24/02 02:16 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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MIT was my alma mater; so what EXACTLY are you saying?
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: ]
#617437 - 04/24/02 02:18 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone ever said we use 10% of our brain. I think the original quote was that we use 10% of our brain's ABILITIES
Sure we use 100% of our brain, maybe not all at the same time, but we use it all. The point is we don't use it to its full capacity. Rational thinking can only get you so far when expanding the natural abilities in your brain. There is a point where one has to step outside the lines of logic and take a flying leap into the unkown, that is how (some) new things become discovered. If everyone just stood around a river and said..."Let's be logical here.. we can't cross it, its too deep and the current is too strong, forget about it" instead of taking a creative approach and oh.. say.. building a bridge.
Some 400 years ago it was logical that the Earth was flat. Columbus decided to take a chance and sail around the world. He recieved a great deal of criticism before he left on his journey.. that he would fall off the end of the Earth and he would never make it. Everyone KNEW the Earth was flat. Progress is made by trying new things and discovering. We haven't discovered everything there is to know, and science and logic is not the only thing that got us to where we are today.
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: ]
#617491 - 04/24/02 03:24 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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step outside the lines of logic and take a flying leap into the unkown, that is how (some) new things become discovered. If everyone just stood around a river and said..."Let's be logical here.. we can't cross it, its too deep and the current is too strong, forget about it" instead of taking a creative approach and oh.. say.. building a bridge.
Logic and creativity are not mutually exclusive, nor are exploration and logic. These are false dichotomies that have been expressed countless times. I've personally experienced quite a few episodes where people have told me something couldn't be done and I have done it. Rationally, logically and creatively I suceeded. You're bridge example brings up the necessary idea of creativity, this is true, but another element is attitude and how one approaches obstacles. If logical principles are ignored in building a bridge, it may very well fail.
Some 400 years ago it was logical that the Earth was flat. Columbus decided to take a chance and sail around the world. He recieved a great deal of criticism before he left on his journey..
You have this totally bass ackwards. Actually, Columbus was aware of scientific theories about the earth being round and the criticism he may have received was from those who blindly believed the dogma (not logic) that earth was flat.
Do not confuse methodology of rational thought with belief. Logic does not tell us beliefs. Logic is not a means of perception. Logic is a tool for eliminating bullshit and by so doing, helps us to understand the universe as it is. Unfortunately, sometimes the universe does not fit with the mental constructs that we have imagined. At this point, a rational person will alter his ideas.
I think you will agree with me that there are a great number of people who hold onto current scientific theories the same way religious people hold on to their own dogmas. I am not an advocate of either religious or scientific dogmas.
Edited by evolving (04/24/02 03:58 PM)
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: ]
#617495 - 04/24/02 03:30 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone ever said we use 10% of our brain.
I think the original quote was that we use 10% of our brain's ABILITIES. I don't think anyone ever said we use 10% of our brain.
Nope. He spoke of usage, not ability.
Some 400 years ago it was logical that the Earth was flat. Columbus decided to take a chance and sail around the world. He recieved a great deal of criticism before he left on his journey.. that he would fall off the end of the Earth and he would never make it. Everyone KNEW the Earth was flat.
Puh-lease! Not the perpetuation of another tired myth. I want to leave the shroomery, but my work here is never done.
The Myth of the Flat Earth
Summary by Jeffrey Burton Russell
for the American Scientific Affiliation Conference
August 4, 1997 at Westmont College
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How does investigating the myth of the flat earth help teachers of the history of science?
First, as a historian, I have to admit that it tells us something about the precariousness of history. History is precarious for three reasons: the good reason that it is extraordinarily difficult to determine "what really happened" in any series of events; the bad reason that historical scholarship is often sloppy; and the appalling reason that far too much historical scholarship consists of contorting the evidence to fit ideological models. The worst examples of such contortions are the Nazi and Communist histories of the early- and mid-twentieth century.
Contortions that are common today, if not widely recognized, are produced by the incessant attacks on Christianity and religion in general by secular writers during the past century and a half, attacks that are largely responsible for the academic and journalistic sneers at Christianity today.
A curious example of this mistreatment of the past for the purpose of slandering Christians is a widespread historical error, an error that the Historical Society of Britain some years back listed as number one in its short compendium of the ten most common historical illusions. It is the notion that people used to believe that the earth was flat--especially medieval Christians.
It must first be reiterated that with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat.
A round earth appears at least as early as the sixth century BC with Pythagoras, who was followed by Aristotle, Euclid, and Aristarchus, among others in observing that the earth was a sphere. Although there were a few dissenters--Leukippos and Demokritos for example--by the time of Eratosthenes (3 c. BC), followed by Crates(2 c. BC), Strabo (3 c. BC), and Ptolemy (first c. AD), the sphericity of the earth was accepted by all educated Greeks and Romans.
Nor did this situation change with the advent of Christianity. A few--at least two and at most five--early Christian fathers denied the sphericity of earth by mistakenly taking passages such as Ps. 104:2-3 as geographical rather than metaphorical statements. On the other side tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, and scientists took the spherical view throughout the early, medieval, and modern church. The point is that no educated person believed otherwise.
Historians of science have been proving this point for at least 70 years (most recently Edward Grant, David Lindberg, Daniel Woodward, and Robert S. Westman), without making notable headway against the error. Schoolchildren in the US, Europe, and Japan are for the most part being taught the same old nonsense. How and why did this nonsense emerge?
In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat. I obviously did not find it among medieval Christians. Nor among anti-Catholic Protestant reformers. Nor in Copernicus or Galileo or their followers, who had to demonstrate the superiority of a heliocentric system, but not of a spherical earth. I was sure I would find it among the eighteenth-century philosophes, among all their vitriolic sneers at Christianity, but not a word. I am still amazed at where it first appears.
No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat.
The idea was established, almost contemporaneously, by a Frenchman and an American, between whom I have not been able to establish a connection, though they were both in Paris at the same time. One was Antoine-Jean Letronne (1787-1848), an academic of strong antireligious prejudices who had studied both geography and patristics and who cleverly drew upon both to misrepresent the church fathers and their medieval successors as believing in a flat earth, in his On the Cosmographical Ideas of the Church Fathers (1834). The American was no other than our beloved storyteller Washington Irving (1783-1859), who loved to write historical fiction under the guise of history. His misrepresentations of the history of early New York City and of the life of Washington were topped by his history of Christopher Columbus (1828). It was he who invented the indelible picture of the young Columbus, a "simple mariner," appearing before a dark crowd of benighted inquisitors and hooded theologians at a council of Salamanca, all of whom believed, according to Irving, that the earth was flat like a plate. Well, yes, there was a meeting at Salamanca in 1491, but Irving's version of it, to quote a distinguished modern historian of Columbus, was "pure moonshine. Washington Irving, scenting his opportunity for a picturesque and moving scene," created a fictitious account of this "nonexistent university council" and "let his imagination go completely...the whole story is misleading and mischievous nonsense."
But now, why did the false accounts of Letronne and Irving become melded and then, as early as the 1860s, begin to be served up in schools and in schoolbooks as the solemn truth?
The answer is that the falsehood about the spherical earth became a colorful and unforgettable part of a larger falsehood: the falsehood of the eternal war between science (good) and religion (bad) throughout Western history. This vast web of falsehood was invented and propagated by the influential historian John Draper (1811-1882) and many prestigious followers, such as Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918), the president of Cornell University, who made sure that the false account was perpetrated in texts, encyclopedias, and even allegedly serious scholarship, down to the present day. A lively current version of the lie can be found in Daniel Boorstin's The Discoverers, found in any bookshop or library.
The reason for promoting both the specific lie about the sphericity of the earth and the general lie that religion and science are in natural and eternal conflict in Western society, is to defend Darwinism. The answer is really only slightly more complicated than that bald statement. The flat-earth lie was ammunition against the creationists. The argument was simple and powerful, if not elegant: "Look how stupid these Christians are. They are always getting in the way of science and progress. These people who deny evolution today are exactly the same sort of people as those idiots who for at least a thousand years denied that the earth was round. How stupid can you get?"
But that is not the truth.
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: Swami]
#617841 - 04/24/02 10:30 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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jesus christ did anyone read that?
meanwhile Shroomism's valid idea was lost in irrelevant trivialities.
Peace.
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: Swami]
#617857 - 04/24/02 10:51 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't understand WHY everybody here(exept Shroomism, Chemicalblue, and few others) stick to this percent!!
"I think the original quote was that we use 10% of our brain's ABILITIES. I don't think anyone ever said we use 10% of our brain. "
Maybe I said usage, but the whole post is named CONTROL YOURSELF. This is what I wanted to know. How to get over your brain and control it. CONTROL MYSELF! It's me in this body, but i know shit about it! THe problem was how can I get to control every cell of my body, how to make my mind think whatever I want to. Think nothing if I want to..etc
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: dumlovesyou]
#617890 - 04/24/02 11:29 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Focused meditation such as candle-gazing is a good place to start.
Practice and discipline are very useful tools. Say you get the urge to toke up and reach for your bong. Stop and tell the needy part of you, "Hey, maybe in an hour or so."
Break ritualistic habits. Drive in your car with the tunes OFF. Time for your favorite TV show? Pass it up and go for a walk.
It all depends if one wants to be a robot or a free and spontaneous being.
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: Swami]
#618190 - 04/25/02 08:41 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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.....didn't mean that sort of thing......only that the frontal lobes usually don't completely develope until late 20's early 30's and this can lead to less thinking before doing, and more impulsivity........
As far as the 10% use of brain theory, I think that this may have to do with "awareness".......we are using our brains but how much of this use "brings Jethro off the farm" is pretty much up to how "aware" Jethro decides to become a rational thinker and realize that 2 & 2 are 4.......or that he just doesn't want to walk around in cow shit anymore......
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: Tannis]
#618272 - 04/25/02 10:08 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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brings Jethro off the farm" is pretty much up to how "aware" Jethro decides to become a rational thinker
Poor Max Baer, aka Jethro of the "Beverly Hillbillies", never got another acting gig, because he refused to play a half-wit again, though he was actually a brilliant, educated man.
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Re: CAN YOU CONTROL YOURSELF? [Re: Swami]
#619011 - 04/26/02 01:00 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for your answers. I don't know what else to say now. Anyway,
BE YOUR OWN MASTER!!
CONTROL YOUR OWN MIND, THEN YOU WILL CONTROL THE HOLE UNIVERSE THAT"S INSIDE YOU!!
And of course!!!!! SHROOM ON!!!!!
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