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You are silent
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Look for what it is that feels feelings. What is that thing feeling feelings? It is not some mental fabrication. How many versions of this mental fiction of 'you' are there? One for your parents, one for your best friend, one for your girlfriend, one for yourself? None of these are real. Fear of losing this illusory you-ness gets in the way of realizing self. Look for what it is that feels.

You are silent and eternal. You are Truth. You are the same as a butterfly, a tree, the wind. What you are is inexplicable and it will never be known, even by the most enlightened saint because it cannot be known by any mind. Mind is not your enemy. Simply, it cannot know what you are. Mind can only categorize and compare. You can only be it. You are it. There is no duality, this is all inside the illusion of mind. Good and bad and right and wrong do not exist. It is the formulation of these opinions and our sustaining of them that keeps us from truth. What you truly are is not affected even a little bit by fear or grief. Fear and grief do not exist.

You are THAT. You are eternal and silent. You are no different from the lord. You are alone because there is only you.

What is it that feels?

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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edit: please hit the caps lock again...

Edited by Annom (06/19/06 07:02 PM)

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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How's the shroomy trip goin? :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: You are silent [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
How's the shroomy trip goin? :mushroom2:


Haha well I'm not tripping, but thanks :smile:  I just wanted to share.

It is this fear of self that prevents us from seeing what we are.  It is reflected in everything we see.  Every time you open your eyes, all you can possibly see is self.  When you find that someone is annoying you, you are annoyed by yourself.  Listen to every thought coming from that little mind up there.  Accept yourself, you will begin to find peace with everyone, even people who were your worst enemies at one point.  There are no friends or enemies in reality, only self.

The thing that binds us is all these notions of rightness and wrongness and good and bad.  None of that exists!  We enjoy this separateness, don't we?  We enjoy the company of those who convince us, yes!  We are RIGHT!  Those other people are WRONG!  Abortion, war, industrialization...  So many issues to be right or wrong about, right?  You do not exist through that rightness.  Rightness is a complete illusion.  It is this idea of separateness that binds us.  When there is no separateness how can anything be right or wrong?  Suddenly lovingness creeps up.

The natural state of beingness is complete love and acceptance.  All of a sudden, all this sadness isn't happening TO SOMEONE.  It is just there being what it is, before it is happening to anything, before it is even sadness, before it is anything.  The mind cannot touch what you are because to the mind things are only something specific.  When there is just THAT before it is anything, the mind cannot grasp it.  You can only be it, you are it.

It means being okay to reconcile with parents or friends, no matter how deep those emotions are buried.  I used to have this tremendous fear of telling my dad that I actually loved him.  Why is that?  I didn't get along with him too well for a few years there.  If I said I loved him, that is weakness, right?  That is WRONGness!  I was WRONG?  NEVER!  I couldn't show that to my dad.  But how much better does it feel to be able to say that?  So much better!  It is choosing to live within love instead of fear.  It is only that choice.  When there is no self to lose face or be afraid of crying to loved ones, there is freedom.  There is peace.  You have to be fearless to realize self, because you might actually have to face all those fears you have!  You might actually have to face yourself, and not only that, but be totally okay with it!

You have access to happiness this very moment.  You have complete access to beingness.  What you do not have is the power to change everything.  Other people, the current situation, what happened yesterday, etc.  You have the power to be and accept that with love.  The second you decide that something needs to be changed to enjoy this beingness, this experience, you bind yourself.  It is all right here as what you are.  Find what it is that feels.  You are thisness, thatness.  It cannot be understood by mind.  You can only be it, you are it.

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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What is self? Seems like everyone is enthralled with this thought, but it seems to me (seems being the word) that self is the focus that we see "ourselves" are playing out in the 'unlimited'. the ultimate. so what is self? God, Allah? Is it something that cannot be totaly explained?

Personnaly i think that we can discribe our selves as well as we can describe nanoscopic life. that is my opinion anyways


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"Centuries ago, sailors on long voyages used to leave a pair of pigs on every deserted island. Or ... a pair of goats. Either way, on any future visit, the island would be a source of meat. These islands, they were pristine. These were home to breeds of birds with no natural predators. Breeds of birds that lived nowhere else on earth. The plants there, without enemies they evolved without thorns or poisons. Without predators and enemies, these islands, they were paradise. The sailors, the next time they visited these islands, the only things still there would be herds of goats or pigs. Does this remind you of anything? Maybe the ol' Adam and Eve story? You ever wonder when God's coming back with a lot of barbecue sauce?"
Chuck Palahniuk

Edited by LostandFound (06/15/06 01:07 AM)

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Re: You are silent [Re: LostandFound]
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That is precisely what there is no answer for because the moment you give an answer it is COMPLETELY and totally not that.  It is futile to explain because it is only here and now.  It is only feel-able, never knowable.

You are that you are.  Self is absolute.  These don't mean alot do they?  These statements are about as close as you can get, but you can never get what the self is through words.  Self is absolute.  That helps alot...Hahaha.  That means nothing, basically because you can only feel what it is.  You can only be self.  Self is there dancing silently.  All things are within self, self is within all things.  Does this mean anything?

Try to feel what it is to be without judgement, without comparison.  Turn off the mind and feel what is there.  Is there self?

edit:  The reason to be enthralled with the thought is that when you find self, you find freedom.  Suddenly you realize that you are not even touched by any fear at all.  There is only love there, and you are drowning in it continuously.  Even if you are on fire :smile:  Even if you just wrecked your car.  And when it's pay day, you don't have to be attached and clutching to the happiness that brings you.  Therein lies freedom.

Edited by thatiAM (06/15/06 01:12 AM)

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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"Realize that right now, just as you are, effortlessly and naturally you are the Oneness!
You are just overlooking the obvious, yourself!"

See the "false as false" by discriminating within yourself,
between thinking (what comes and goes) and unchanging presence of Awareness, your true nature.
It is very subtle and always present with you, easily overlooked, yet nowhere else to be found,
but right here and now as your own being.
Jean-Pierre Gomez

Edited by felix4life (06/15/06 01:16 AM)

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Re: You are silent [Re: felix4life]
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"You cannot negate that knowing that you are.
It is not dead, empty, silent stillness. Is not about keeping the mind silent,
but seeing that what is prior to the mind is the very livingness itself. It is very subtle."
"Sailor" Bob Adamson

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Re: You are silent [Re: felix4life]
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thatiAM,

A very touching post that came from the heart. I loved it. By not attaching a thought to an experience allows you to become detached from the emotion that controls you. By accepting something, means you know longer fear it, and now that you no longer fear it you are free to create what you desire.

There are no Right or Wrongs or polar opposites, just a wave of varying ratios. When able to float around in potential evaluation all day, this allows you only to "choose" the "pleasurable" experiences you wish to from a first person view in this reality. When not viewing your reality through first person view you are just observing without judgements or opinions and saving energy for the things that you "care" about.

To "care" or "not to care".

"Welcome" in our reality
"Unwelcome" in our reality

Are the only polar opposites needed

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Re: You are silent [Re: felix4life]
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There are no absolutes, and that is an absolute


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"Centuries ago, sailors on long voyages used to leave a pair of pigs on every deserted island. Or ... a pair of goats. Either way, on any future visit, the island would be a source of meat. These islands, they were pristine. These were home to breeds of birds with no natural predators. Breeds of birds that lived nowhere else on earth. The plants there, without enemies they evolved without thorns or poisons. Without predators and enemies, these islands, they were paradise. The sailors, the next time they visited these islands, the only things still there would be herds of goats or pigs. Does this remind you of anything? Maybe the ol' Adam and Eve story? You ever wonder when God's coming back with a lot of barbecue sauce?"
Chuck Palahniuk

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Re: You are silent [Re: felix4life]
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I must accommodate your input. There are two parts of mind. Seeing, and thinking on what was experienced.

With this in mind to "meditate" u see as on being in one place (as apposed to being in all places) in its fruition.


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"Centuries ago, sailors on long voyages used to leave a pair of pigs on every deserted island. Or ... a pair of goats. Either way, on any future visit, the island would be a source of meat. These islands, they were pristine. These were home to breeds of birds with no natural predators. Breeds of birds that lived nowhere else on earth. The plants there, without enemies they evolved without thorns or poisons. Without predators and enemies, these islands, they were paradise. The sailors, the next time they visited these islands, the only things still there would be herds of goats or pigs. Does this remind you of anything? Maybe the ol' Adam and Eve story? You ever wonder when God's coming back with a lot of barbecue sauce?"
Chuck Palahniuk

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Re: You are silent [Re: Evan_1107]
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A net of Jewels 1996 Ramesh says:

"Belief, any belief, is based on the sense of insecurity. Only when all belief is given up are you free to know yourself. In self discovery what you find is the Truth- that Truth which is total, selfevident and which needs no outside support of justification."

Peace
Evan,

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Re: You are silent [Re: Evan_1107]
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lostandfound wrote:
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There are no absolutes, and that is an absolute
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Answers can gravitate, from .0000000000001 etc to 99.9999999999% in this polar opposite perception. But being absolute is coming beyond space and time.

So by saying what you did, you are 99.9999999% correct.

hehe

Light
Evan

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Re: You are silent [Re: Evan_1107]
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if I simply Am that I AM

...

If I loose that I AM and become that I AM something else, do I still exist? It is rather strong when suddenly I am someone other than me, and am not sure if I as a sane or solid entity will exist further than that, if I does not come back to being this me.

my first initiation was not how I wanted to be, it was dark and empty and not loving or radiant or any such thing. I did find in the negation that I could choose what to be though, so if the dream is an accurate reflection. hmm.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (06/19/06 10:11 AM)

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Re: You are silent [Re: leery11]
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You are that you are can't be lost.  It is just what your little noggin up there decides to choose to say, okay so 'this' is 'me'.  You always exist, you will never not exist because you are self/god/that you are/universe/etc.

It's not trying to become someone else or anything else because you already are it.  The 'me' comes from this delusion of separation, it is just a fiction.

When you surrender even this 'me' to what real self is, there can be nothing more loving than that because it is entirely selfless.  You give up your safety net of knowing always how to feel and react about every situation, and what to think about all people.  You can love even the things that it's culturally (even as human culture) taboo to love.  You are love, what is there to not love? 

It is just giving up that you are this little me.  You don't become anything, you already are it.  And it is busting with love.  So much love that it can't be contained in any parcel anyway, and certainly not a 'me'.  Love was never meant to be contained :smile:

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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Of course what you really really are never changes, but that doesn't mean to give up seeking.  The little 'me' has to seek to realize that it's just a story.  And that's very very important.  When seeking is the most important thing, and it sustains itself & stays the most important thing, you cannot help but to find.

Really, surrender is more important than this notion that some personal thing has to wake up though.  When you seek, be seeking surrender.  Total and absolute surrender of everything (including the little 'me') to this love and beingness that you already are.  This is much more important than questing for some enlightened 'me'.  When you completely surrender to what you already are, then you see that there never was some enlightened 'me' waiting for you at the end of there quest.  How could there be?  You are what enlightenment is already.

You are just getting caught up trying to become it when you are it.  That doesn't mean stop seeking.  Please, seek surrender with all your might.  When you can finally give up this notion of a bigger and better 'me' waiting for you, and just surrender the story of 'me' to love, you have something very special.

Not that after you realize self you quit trying to surrender.  Realization is just the beginning :smile:  Surrender to self always.

Hope this helps :smile:

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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Very well then!

The Heart of the Youniverse

From: http://www.headless.org/


Also.. http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/


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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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my concern is that my ego semi-transcendence states seem to indicate that i am entering other people's minds......

rather than, say, universality, or my inner love, or things like that.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: You are silent [Re: leery11]
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Cool links Gomp.  I also like your pun 'bound to be free' :smile:

leery11-
How could you enter another's mind by accident when you transcend yours?  All that happens is you see that you are what is behind mind.  You are the thatness.  It has nothing to do with reading the thoughts of others or something.

I guess you are thinking this inner love of yours only exists within the 'me' box?  And you are afraid to open the box and take a peek outside?  Beyond that 'me' is an infinite ocean of love and god.  You are leaving nothing behind.  You are waking up to what you really are.  It's not like you forget who you are and you forget everything you knew, you can no longer feel feelings, etc.  It is just that you see the real you everywhere and within everything, and it is blooming with boundless love.  You still remember the 'me' story.  You can function in the world, it's just that you don't associate with what you really are as this story of the 'me' any more.

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Re: You are silent [Re: thatiAM]
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I believe there is a right and wrong, if you want to call it negative nerological impulses in the mind or postive nerological impulses in the mind then do so, and in that sense you can say theres no right or wrong but negative and postive nerological impulses, but really their is no difference between saying one or the other, when we experience a situation we are definitely feeling something, whether thats postive or negative depends on the experience, I think you can't totally detach yourself of what you are, If go in front of 1000 people for the first time and give a speech you'll probabaly have some fear, its just the reality of experiencing something new, if you go snow boarding and you go down a steep hill, your going to feel fear, situations and experiences can induce fear beyond your control, self is not absolute but always changing and evloving through experience, what you say does apply to a certain degree I think, not being so emotionally attached to certain experiences can empower you so I don't totally dismiss what you say,

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