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OfflineEllis Dee
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Satan worship & Human Sacrifice
    #537289 - 01/31/02 11:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Folks try to say there is no such thing as Satan worship and human sacrifice, and if there is it's not related. Well here's proof it exists:

http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=494741&in_review_text_id=454351

Satanists jailed over ritual killing

A couple who killed a friend by stabbing him 66 times in a Satanic ritual were jailed today in a case that has fascinated Germany with bizarre details of devil worship and vampirism.

Daniel Ruda, a 26-year-old former car parts salesman, and his 23-year-old wife Manuela had confessed to the killing in their apartment, surrounded by human skulls, cemetery lights, scalpels and incense.

They have shown no remorse, saying the devil ordered them to send him a human sacrifice because he wanted a "court jester".

A judge in the western town of Bochum sentenced Daniel to 15 years and Manuela 13 years in a psychiatric ward.

The court heard how Manuela acquired a taste for vampirism during a visit to London, where she attended "bite parties" at which people voluntarily had blood sucked from their veins.

Throughout the case, the couple shown defiant behaviour in court, making rude gestures, rolling their eyes maniacally and sticking their tongues out.

Manuela, a former high school student who said she drifted into the "Gothic" scene after the devil contacted her when she was 14, slept in a coffin in their apartment.

She met Daniel after responding to his advertisement in a heavy metal magazine that read: "Pitch black vampire seeks princess of darkness who hates everything and everyone."

The dead man, a 33-year-old colleague of Daniel Ruda's, was found in the couple's apartment covered in knife wounds and with a scalpel protruding from his stomach. A pentagram, the sign of the Devil, had been carved into his chest.

The couple spent a week on the run after the murder last July, driving around Germany and attempting suicide several times.

They were arrested after being spotted at a petrol station in Jena.

During that week Daniel had bought a chainsaw, saying he did not want to be empty-handed when the Devil called again.

The court heard during the trial how the two had launched themselves into a world of devil worship, inciting each other to commit violence.

Daniel said he had merely been a tool of the devil. "If you run someone over with a car, you don't prosecute the car," he said at one point.




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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #537986 - 02/01/02 06:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

interesting...

Somehow, I find the devil to be very interesting. Not that I want to serve him or anything, don't get me wrong, I worship Christ, but Satan is, well, a most interesting character.

Maybe it has to do with how God created him, or maybe it's natural for me to pay attention to an adversary, maybe both.

Anyhoo, I'm looking forward to Armagedon, as it promises to resolve this evil thingy...


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #538125 - 02/01/02 10:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

what a fkn hilarious article
`Manuela, a former high school student` wtf? a former high school student?
and how can one be sentenced to X number of years in a psych ward, you either get prison or get declared insane, if insane you go in until cured, there is no time limit.
and they had cemetery lights in their apartment....what the fuck are cemetery lights? are they like blob-lamps? and incense? sooo evil
a pentagram is not a symbol of the devil.
and they spent a week on the run attempting suicide several times?? c`mon its not that difficult to top yourself. maybe the reporter (if thats not too generous a description for the fool that wrote this) means they drove over the speed limit without wearing seatbelts, or perhaps they drank cocacola mixed with aspirin?
thanks rail-gun..made my day
dont forget isiah 45:7 `i create the light and form the darkness...i, the lord, do all these things.`


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #538155 - 02/01/02 11:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Once again most popular myth has it wrong.

The Christian leaders have frequently and deliberately misportrayed other religions to their own advantage.

For example: Witchcraft and Satanic Worship are often paired together, though one has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the other, nor with the devil for that matter.

Set was an Egyptian god, whose Priesthood can be traced to predynastic times. Images of Set have been dated to around 3200 BCE, with astronomically-based estimates of inscriptions dating to 5000 BCE.

A worshipper of Set was a Setan or Satan. Thus, a Satan worshipper is actually redundant.

Witchcraft pertains to the Wiccan religion whose roots are in northern and central Europe and pre-date history. It was very earth-based, into herbal healings, people and plant fertility and the celebration of seasonal changes (solstices and equinoxes).

The Catholic Church wanted no competition from these other practices and so launched a highly effective propaganda campaign against them that lasts till this day. Of course, they (in their Christ-like loving manner) helped matters along with torture and fear to ensure that the masses converted and stayed in line.

Case in point:

In Palo Alto, CA a few years back, the local library frequently brought in speakers of different religions to expose children to the variety of theological ideas. There was a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Muslim, etc. But when a Wiccan (witch) was scheduled to appear, the whole town got up in arms and she was banned from speaking.

Yes, a highly effective campaign.

Ask me again why I am so outspoken against non-critical thinking...


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Swami]
    #538282 - 02/02/02 03:13 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Swami do you know of any decent web pages with basic history and stuff about the religions of ancient egypt? i'm travelling a lot these days so i'm too lazy to look for books...


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #538412 - 02/02/02 09:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I was once killed by satanist

and

a witch turned me into a newt...I got better...

But seriously dude, I know a guy who goes to this one church ( where I met him ) and every Halloween for years he was abducted and ritually abused physically and sexually by a group of satanist.

A woman in my present church was used in ritual (satanic)abuse and had her genitals cut up when she was a kid.

I also knew a satanist who did not do these things and have know several wiccans who are appalled by this sort of thing and would never do anything other than healing.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Traveller]
    #538447 - 02/02/02 10:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Too lazy to use a search engine? Doesn't get much easier than that.

No, I have no cool pages bookmarked.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Swami]
    #538646 - 02/02/02 04:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Monotheists confuse me the most out of any group of belief,this shit harks back to the 3 million kids abducted every year "Stranger Danger" stuff.Theres no vast satanic conspiracy.Oh fear the illuminati the counsel of 13 eats your soul.Man some people are so paranoid.One lone whacko doesn't constitute a group of believers.Anyway,I'm an atheist.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Swami]
    #538774 - 02/02/02 07:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, that's really interesting Swami.

So that means that Satan or the devil as an evil entity is a construct of the church to scare people away from other religions. I think all dualism (good vs evil, etc) is a product of fear, and power-driven people exploit this. We still see this today with George W's "either you're with us, or with the terrorists." In reality everything is graded, not lumped into two mutually exclusive and polarized categories. We need to step back from our categorizing (nothing more than a desire for order and control) and treat everything how it really is.

Silly, silly dualism.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Swami]
    #538818 - 02/02/02 09:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

Witchcraft pertains to the Wiccan religion whose roots are in northern and central Europe and pre-date history. It was very earth-based, into herbal healings, people and plant fertility and the celebration of seasonal changes (solstices and equinoxes).



Wicca is not the same as traditional witchcraft. Wicca is a recent invention made up by some guy in the 40's or 50's. If you'de like a source for this info I can get one for you.

Wicca is a recent development and not the same as ancient or medival witchcraft.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #538843 - 02/02/02 09:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I will rely on your knowledge as regards the word Wicca, but my point remains.

The Catholic Chruch merged an Egyptian religion with that of a northern European religion in the minds of it's followers, though they were totally unrelated, and portrayed them both as evil, to win converts.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #538850 - 02/02/02 09:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Swami as always has it one-sided. He would have it that God is _also_ a product of church exorting control over the masses. In a way he is right. In other ways, mystical traditions over centuries have described evil spirits of all sorts, and Satan is a prominent figure in multiple religeons (under different names, some linguistically related -- Shaitan, for example -- and some not).

I personally have known satanists. They are a real group of people who consciously choose to serve "evil". Clearly, they must invent evil before they serve it. They aren't very pleasant people. Ones I knew were very good psychologists, keen in subjects like hypnosis, extrasensorics, etc. Some are said to be strong psychics, capable of controling other minds. It is said that they learn these things during satanic rituals and happenings. Why not? Satanic rituals are, generally speaking, very stressful. They put the mind in unusual states, kind of like shrooms. There is much knowledge that can be gotten from that by a capable mind.

As far as Satan goes... everyone has a face and an ass. To some God shows one, to others -- the other... No miracle here (as Swami always says) :smile: 


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #538853 - 02/02/02 09:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Of course there are some satanists who do that kind of stuff. There is also many other people who stab others. Not all satanists do though, because my friend used to be one, and he is totally against violence. I was reading a satanist page, and some of the stuff on it was really good, and true.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Warped_Ventricle]
    #538925 - 02/03/02 12:47 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

All of this is entirely dependant upon an individuals view of Satan, or whichever similar character. To many, Satan was merely an aquaintence (I can't remember what order he belonged to) of God who refused to worship humans. For this he was cast out of heaven. After that the path forks, some say he commited atrocious acts of evil, others say he was framed, or that the acts were only metaphors blown out of proportion. This is of course only one of many paths that a worshipper might follow...

It's the same thing in the God circles. The Catholic style churches say that Heaven and Hell are real and take things very seriously. On the other hand; the United Church says that the Heaven sides of things are all true, but there is no such thing as Hell. All the negative things are explained as metaphors and whatnot. I go to heaven, Charles Manson goes to heaven, Bush and bin Laden go to heaven. We're all equal in his sight... That kind of thing.

Satan and God cannot come and speak for themselves and tell us what exactly their supporters are supporting, so we have to guess. We're basically shooting in the dark. I try to avoid the whole ordeal.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ulysees]
    #539572 - 02/03/02 09:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I just can't get over the defence these people used... "The devil made me do it!"

Like... how do they come up with this? I guess they read Genesis and skip out on the free will section and focus only on the temptation of Eve... that must have been demeaning for the defence lawyer...


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: mr crisper]
    #539590 - 02/03/02 09:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

>>>and how can one be sentenced to X number of years in a psych ward, you either get prison or get declared insane, if insane you go in until cured, there is no time limit.

I guess in Germany you can be sentenced to a specific number of years in a psych hospital.

>>>>a pentagram is not a symbol of the devil.

I think an upside down pentgram is a symbol of Satanism, it's called a baphomet and they put a devil head in it. Do a search on 'baphomet' and 'pentagram' you'll quickly see what I mean.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #539601 - 02/03/02 09:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

actually the upside down pentagram is used for other things...
i remember reading one thing about sexual energy, forgot everything else.

http://www.angelfire.com/id/robpurvis/pentagram.html
this might be a lousy link, i only skimmed it.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Anonymous]
    #539640 - 02/03/02 10:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

hey smack
sorry to be so lazy
this is copy/pasted from the site you posted

-The pentagram may be inverted with one point down. The implication is of spirit subservient to matter, of man subservient to his carnal desires. The inverted pentagram has come to be seen by many pagans as representing the dark side and it is abhored as an evil symbol. Fundamental christians, indeed, see any form of pentagram as such. However, these are recent developments and the inverted pentagram is the symbol of Gardnerian second degree initiation, representing the need of the witch to learn to face the darkness within so that it may not later rise up to take control. The centre of a pentagram implies a sixth formative element - love/will which controls from within, ruling matter and spirit by Will and the controlled magickal direction of sexual energies. This is another lesson of initiation

gardner, as mentioned, is the founder of wicca, a modern day interpretation of what was traditionally called the craft.

i know a lot of so-called satanists use the inverted pentagram as a symbol of their beliefs, perhaps they just focus on the certain aspects of its meaning that correspond to or support their intentions, christians do much the same thing with the cross, a symbol that dates back, in various forms at least to the egyptian days.


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Anonymous]
    #539645 - 02/03/02 10:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The pentagram is a symbol of Satan as well being generally occult. The 'Chruch of Satan' has a web page devoted to it.
From: http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/BaphometGallery.html


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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #539647 - 02/03/02 10:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

re:Silly, silly dualism
fer sure, but wouldnt life be boring....or even non-existant, without it.
how could we have up and down, left and right, positive and negative, boys and girls, not to mention the old fave - in and out?
silly, mmm maybe, fun? definitely!


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