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 Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice  [Re: Ellis Dee]
#539649 - 02/03/02 08:39 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'm not denying that it is used by satanists... this is usually the first thing people associate with it. but it also has other uses.
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: gribochek]
#539679 - 02/03/02 09:26 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami as always has it one-sided. He would have it that God is _also_ a product of church exorting control over the masses.
Don't do that, Grib. Those are your words, not mine. I merely gave a little history of how two disparate religions came to be associated with each other and with evil through the clever use of propaganda.
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Swami]
#539724 - 02/03/02 10:22 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Annoying, isn't it?
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Swami]
#539788 - 02/03/02 11:42 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami, either you accept the possibility of the ultimate good or the divine God, and then accept the possibility of ultimate evil or the feroscious devil, or you deny both. You can't say "God is possible but devil is the result of propaganda".
The viewpoint that God has been invented to control the masses has very very much validity to it. But this view, as well as the similar opinion regarding the devil is one-sided in that it implies that God (Devil) are _solely_ the product of propaganda and no further exploration into these matters are thus necessary. But anyway, sorry if I misread you.
-- Grib.
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
#540017 - 02/04/02 05:45 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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The inverted pentagram is a symbol of second degree Alexandrian witchcraft (see Stewart Ferrar's book 'What Witches Do'). The Baphomet, though adopted by the late Anton Szandor LeVey and his 'Church of Satan in the 1960's, was adapted from the whole medieval scandal concerning the Knights Templar - the crusaders returning from the Middle East. Their exposure to the teachings of 'Mohatmedans' somehow the spelling/name got bastardized to 'Baphomet,' and the worship of a goat's head (a typical witchcraft image). The Church tortured their own warriors, for whereabouts of treasure, and of course accused them of heresy. That evil of the Church may have become symbol enough for LaVey, along with the Hebrew inscription "Leviathan," around it - serpent of the watery abyss.
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#540232 - 02/04/02 12:01 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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 Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
#540304 - 02/04/02 01:38 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think dualism is the root of all evil. If you would want to get rid of "evil" you would have to get rid of "good". There's always an idiot running around with voices in his/her head telling him or her to kill.
Satan doesn't have the exclusive right to ritual sacrifice. Look a bit into the history of South America for instance.
An interesting article about the origins of Satan:
http://www.phhine.ndirect.co.uk/archives/sp_orsatan.htm
And one about black magick:
http://www.phhine.ndirect.co.uk/archives/ess_bmlhp.htm
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: raytrace]
#540399 - 02/04/02 03:36 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am inclined to give another description of devil, which looks less like Al Pacino 
What if being a dragon would be the same as eating your own tail?
What if existence were impossible without inherent contradictions?
What if laughter had an emotion opposite to it?
What if there was a fire that consumed everything? What if that fire was the entrance to heaven? Who would then enter heaven?
If one puts on the mask of suffering, the inside of that mask is the face of the Devil.
-- Grib.
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: mr crisper]
#540864 - 02/05/02 12:48 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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i didnt read all these posts, so i dont know if this has already been covered. but a friend of mine is a witch and really into ocultism.
he's read about almost every religion(including the entire bible twice WOW!)
and this is what he says about TRUE satanism, and the true church of satan.
apparently real satanists, dont worship a "satan" in the traditional since, its all a huge metaphor to being against christianity e.i. christians say alot of things are sin, and you should be ashamed to do certain things, wheras satanist are primarily concerend with satisfying all primal urges(sex, lust, food, pleasure) since in christianity "satan" is evil, they say they worship it to totally dissasociate themselves from christians. Actually, acording to the satanic bible(where he read this all) satanists dont believe in god, or satan. like i said its a metaphor.
they merely believe in satifying your natural human nature, on top of that, they preach not "loving" everyone, they say its a waste of your love and energy. they say love your family and friends, and people you care about. but everyone else just be nice to and friendly.(this oddly enough is something in common with christianaty, because christians dont truley "love" everyone like they are taught to do, therefore making them hyprcrites on a large scale, or heathens in their own religion, not all but most) this is basically all i know, i know that TRUE satanists dont sacrifice animals or any of that shit.
all that vampire/sacrifice the goat stuff is a direct result of sterotypical movies and media, originally designed to keep people scared and hateful of satanists, ironiclly enough it totally backfired as it picked up speed in modern media, and underground scenes. since you see alot of moronic teen agers taking this type of portrayel as a green light to have a cause for their sick curiosities....
with all that said, I am an agnostic till further notice.
BTW did you know maralyn monroe, and sammy davis junior were both ordained members of the church of satan? its true.
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
#540871 - 02/05/02 12:56 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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BTW i forgot to mention, there are branched off sects of the church of satan, be all of these that involve violence, are condemmed by the original founding church of satan. these sects are probably confused about the true meaning, and cant get past the christian belief they were ingrained with(and probably rebelling against) so they still relate satanism with evil, and therefore do things publicly thought of as evil, or something....
and that thing with the pentagrams, acording to my same friend(who loves marilyn manson for some reason, his music taste has always been shit) marilyn manson was kicked out of the church of satan for wearing a pentagram necklace. i'm pretty positive that the pentagram is the symble for the church of satan, but wearing one is atomatic cause for being barred from the church.
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
#540883 - 02/05/02 01:16 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Swami, either you accept the possibility of the ultimate good or the divine God, and then accept the possibility of ultimate evil or the feroscious devil, or you deny both. You can't say "God is possible but devil is the result of propaganda"
in reply to the above statement is say, i think the view of if theres good there HAS to be evil, and vice versa. its nothing more than a preconcieved believe ingrained into humans minds for hundreds of years.
we are one with god, and god is all there is. if god is all there is, how can there be anything else?
The message of christianity: firey hell awaits you if you question gods UNCONDITIONAL love.......
whatever.....
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
#542433 - 02/06/02 11:45 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok true satanists will never kill another person without their consent, these human sacrifices you hear of those are christian satanists, not members of the church of satan, the inverted pentagram with the goat's head in it is called a baphomet, this represents satan.
satan means adversary or opponent, satanism preaches that truth will never set anyone free, but that only perpetual doubt will, satan represents indulgence in the "sins" (not compulsion) as they all lead to emotional or physical gratification, satan represents kindness to those that deserve it, and hate to those that deserve it, not love wasted on ingrates, satanism is a logical intelligent philosophy, almost everything you will ever read about satanism is a lie, go direct to the source, the satanic bible and the devil's notebook will show you how to live a satanic life
evil is coined as what you dont like, good as what you like, evil is live spelled backwards, if evil we are then live we will!
on a side note, according to the bible 'jesus christ' called himself the morning star which just happens to mean lucifer, the fallen angel, divinity in human form....
also the baphomet is not complete without those symbols around it at each point, they mean leviathan one of the four crown princes of hell, leviathan is water, lucifer is air or enlightenment, belial is earth which stands for mastery of carnality or baseness, and satan is fire
the word devil come from the indian word devi which means god, i think, i dont have my bible handy so some of this may be off a bit.
ave satanis!
rege satanas!
SHEMHEMFORASH!!
hail satan!!!
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: insectvhore]
#542447 - 02/06/02 11:58 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey, thanks for the info, interesting.
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Lord_A]
#542516 - 02/06/02 12:55 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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what does santani ave or ave santani? thats in a fantomas song i heard
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]  1
#543655 - 02/07/02 11:54 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not to offend any of you guys religiously, but my view as a "Psychedelic" Wiccan:
If you were to take all the Gods and all the Demons the world has worshipped & feared and project them over each other, this total picture would be an approximation of what I believe is the One. (Wicca has a Sun God & Moon Goddess but this is meant, in my opinion, as a symbol; a way to percieve the Divine. Note: Both are "Good" AND "Evil", if one were to fall in the pitfall of imposing this distinction on the Universe)
Take everything that ever was, is or shall be and combine it with everything that could be, happen etc. and let this Totality of Everything flow into One.
If one could grasp this one would look at the True Face of God.
Ponder this: you'll be surprised at what you'll find !
I won't spoil the surprise for you...!
And as to Pentacles: If a Pentacle were satanic, the Swastika was invented by that one-testicled man they call Hitler. (Dunno? No on both!)
Since so called "satanism" sprang from the Bible (No JHVH = No Satan) and extremely old carved Pentacles exist one can say with certainty that the Pentacle predates Satan by well over 5.000 years.
And as for satanism itself I'll quote from Christianity & Wicca:
YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
WHAT YOU SEND OUT FROM THEE COMES BACK TO YOU TIMES THREE.
Boy: are these guys in for a Treat!
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Re: Satan worship & Human Sacrifice [Re: Asante]
#544760 - 02/08/02 11:07 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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the baphomet or pentacle as wiccan seeker likes to call it...? was i think first used around 1476 i think, the swastika is a symbol either buddhist or hindu i cant remember it means life or becoming,
ave satanis rege satanis and shemhemforash all mean HAIL SATAN,
johnny on the spot are you a dwarves fan? beyond the human race he came from outer space just to cum upon your face began to shake it loose that sonic reproducer just like medussa only hot, johnny on the spot
wiccan seeker if you were to combine all into one there would be nothing, with no other things to base existence on all existence collapses there IS nothing, but we see it through divisions and varying degrees of density, but all in all there really isnt anything, existence does not exist
BBin where the hell are you?
im reading upwards now and i see markos already covered much of what ive said, no matter
someone said we are all of god, and god is all there is, well why call it god? why externalize...
"you are all I i am all YOU", though to best say what i meant in that last statement i wouldn't say anything
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