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    #2109143 - 11/15/03 03:27 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Can someone with some knowledge on the subject please explain to me some of the basic beliefs of Satanism? Thanks.


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Re: Satanism [Re: silversoul7]
    #2109149 - 11/15/03 03:31 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

This site seems kind of ridiculous to me, but I reckon its real.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html


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Re: Satanism [Re: chunder]
    #2109155 - 11/15/03 03:35 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

there are as many ways to worship satan as there are to worship God.


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Re: Satanism [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2109160 - 11/15/03 03:37 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

If you want a happy medium between Satan and God, worship me, fireworks_god! I don't mind! :devil:
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Re: Satanism [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2109416 - 11/15/03 05:33 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

there's a girl I met once who used to be a satanist. She and her satanist friends used magic to gain power. By this she means that they would make use of language to manipulate people. For example the word satan has a lot of baggage attached to it, so they call themselves satanists and it fucks with people's minds and how people see the satanists so the satanists gain power.


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Re: Satanism [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2109422 - 11/15/03 05:40 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

I was a satanist when I was a kid. I used Anton LaVey's treatises for performing rituals with a few friends of mine. We weren't disciplined enough to be successful. It's all attention. It's all the power of awareness. Everything is awareness, and how that awareness is channelled is how things manifest. This as simple as it sounds is the master key to all spirituality, and satanism.


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Re: Satanism [Re: eve69]
    #2109631 - 11/15/03 07:16 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

The real website for the Satanic Church.

Satanism is a philosophy based essentially on reversing the primary ideals of the major religions of the world, claiming the reversal to be the essence of the "real world". It boasts as it's golden rule "Do unto others as they do unto you", a dictum suggesting that meeting or exceeding the aggression put against us is a way of solving problems, ensuring the strongest and most worthy are in control, and keeping a civil order based upon a hierarchy enforced by brute force and intimidation.

And, unfortunately, such a philosophy is essentially the "real world". Though, if we look carefully, we'll discover that this kind of self-focus as at the basis of the suffering of the world: the famine, disease, poverty, war and pollution. Anton suggests somewhat indirectly that we should attempt to distance ourselves from these effects by indulging in our carnal passions, using our wit to manipulate and control others to ends that are ultimately destructive. Though, it is inescapable that the problems of war, famine and disease specifically eventually impact every citizen of this earth.

All of this being so, it's my personal opinion that Satanism is a religion based less on awareness and much more upon ignorance. The irony is that Anton LaVey emphasizes all throughout his writings that "ignorance is the greatest sin." This is probably the only common ground he has with other theologies.


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Re: Satanism [Re: silversoul7]
    #2119438 - 11/18/03 12:16 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

and...
what of the supposed luciferian cabals hidden in the murky corners of the masonic lodges ???
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remember, the first black mass celebrated in the 20th century was held by "uncle al" crowley - & not everyone in the circle walked out under their own power at the conclusion of the ritual...
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& what of the concept of "the loyal opposition" ??? :wink: ...
(heh)


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Re: Satanism [Re: silversoul7]
    #2119523 - 11/18/03 01:14 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

Apparently the search button wasn't working when you started this thread.
Well, it works now--->thread on Satanism


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Re: Satanism [Re: Sclorch]
    #2119639 - 11/18/03 01:55 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

some wiccans and pagans have told me that the upside down pentagram is bigoted. But by that same logic, the upward pointing pentagram is just as bigoted.

thats why I like the merkaba, or better yet, Metatron's cube, because these shapes contain both upward and downward pentagrams, and are thus more balanced than either of these shapes.

The merkaba is the Tao of sacred geometry!


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Re: Satanism [Re: silversoul7]
    #2119826 - 11/18/03 02:48 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

here are the 11 "laws" of satanism
Found here - http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ethics.html#Rules

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them
3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal
6. Do not steal (paraphrased)
7 is not relevant. (deals with magic)
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself
9. Do not harm little children
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him


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Re: Satanism [Re: Shroomism]
    #2119846 - 11/18/03 02:56 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

^^^^^^^^^^^^ thats the kind of satanism I have always thought of when someone asked me what Satanism is: its more about self-reliance and independance than outright evil.

But there's also a helluva lot of posuers that claim to be satanists and have much different tenets.


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Re: Satanism [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2119869 - 11/18/03 03:03 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

Ya.. the Satanism I know was pretty respectable
But there is just as much dogma and factions of it as their is in christianity. Some Satanists exist purely as anti-christians.


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Re: Satanism [Re: Shroomism]
    #2119913 - 11/18/03 03:17 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal
Is not a mating signal a sexual advance? Mating signals are highly ambiguous. Even "obvious" ones may have more to do with control than mating.

Do not harm little children
Up to what age, height or weight before it is OK to harm them?


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Re: Satanism [Re: Swami]
    #2119938 - 11/18/03 03:26 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

Hey, I didn't make the rules, or said I agreed with them, I just posted them. Anton Lavey was very confused if you ask me.. though he did bring up a few good points.


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Re: Satanism [Re: Shroomism]
    #2119961 - 11/18/03 03:33 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

>> 5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal

Let's not forget the chapter on "Satanic Sex", about using magic and manipulation to lure individuals into satisfying our sexual appetites.

Satanism leaves a poor taste in my mouth. I will stop commenting on it thusly.


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Re: Satanism [Re: Ped]
    #2119969 - 11/18/03 03:35 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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Satanism leaves a poor taste in my mouth.



Then don't put it in your mouth. :wink:


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Re: Satanism [Re: Ped]
    #2119973 - 11/18/03 03:37 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

I get a similar bad taste from it. A few of my friends tried to get into Satanism back in high school, it didn't last very long.. though I can say their downward spiral into ignorance, hatred, and belligerence was pretty spectacular  :smirk:

Oh yes and who can forget the chapter on Psychic Vampires. 


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Re: Satanism [Re: Ped]
    #2119977 - 11/18/03 03:38 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

Let's not forget the chapter on "Satanic Sex", about using magic and manipulation to lure individuals into satisfying our sexual appetites.

Is it better to use a Ferrari or position of leadership or play in a rock 'n roll band to lure individuals into satisfying our sexual appetites?

Or is it prefereable to be sexually disatisfied?

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Re: Satanism [Re: Swami]
    #2119998 - 11/18/03 03:43 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

No, it deals mostly with psychological abuse and domination over others to make them fear you so you get what you want from them.


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