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Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada
    #5262431 - 02/04/06 12:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This global announcement is being posted in efforts to proliferate some unfortunate and wildly convoluted information; nevertheless information that may be worthwhile to consider for anyone who may have participated with or was actively engaged with either of the websites/seed companies listed in the topic header, such that they may be aware of the potential risk that could come with the disappearance of the aforementioned websites.  Note that there are many conflicting reports, but the message is the same: Be aware and stay safe!

As it was first posted publicly:

Quote:

Sad News on RC...PLEASE READ...

It is with great sadness that I bring you the news that RC and HS, OG and CW have been taken down by the authorities in Canada.....

...I have it from a bonofide source that it happened on monday and RC's computers/servers have most probably been siezed, they spent 2 days going thru his house and removed alot of stuff ...

His wife and some members of his family were also taken into custody and it's possible that she may be released tommorrow on bail....There has not been a peep in the media about this so there could be a reason why it was not advertised by LEO......BE WARNED! not to try and log on to Overgrow or Cannabisworld for now since most certainly the security of those sites has been compromised and if it comes back up without me first hearing from RC then it is NOT being run by him.....think about it!

...This could bring up some real security issues with many Overgrow/Cannabisworld members.........be warned guys and do what you need to do to make it safer for all of you.......duck and cover if needs be....

....Yours Faithfully...

Gypsy Nirvana




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Be safe everyone :spliff:
Remember to post responsibly, here and everywhere! :mushroom2:




Archived CannabisCulture statements:

Posted Friday Feb 3, 2006 by Marc Emery and Jodie Giesz-Ramsay:

When the world's largest websites for cannabis growers and enthusiasts disappeared from the web on Monday, January 30, it was thought to be a server problem.

As the week dragged on, tens of thousands of members, seed company sponsors, growers and fans worried there might be more than mere 'server' problems as Richard Calrisian (a pseudonym) had not made any statements in any web based media about any 'technical' problems.

Now it appears Heaven's Stairway Seeds (hempqc.com), Cannabisworld.com, Overgrow.com, Eurohemp.com have been shut down and the owners arrested in Canada; all their web properties seized, including the physical servers that held massive databases on thousands of growers, and tens of thousands of photographs of cannabis plants. Seed companies by the dozens used both Overgrow.com and Cannabisworld.com as a main trading ground. Over 40 seed companies had customer service interactive forums on these sites.

All the information held on those servers is now in the hands of police. It is not known what charges have been laid nor against whom. That police have not boasted about this seizure means the investigation is continuing, before any affected parties can react.

Cannabis Culture began receiving emails on Wednesday saying Richard Calrisian and his wife had been arrested along with four employees, but this could not be corroborated.



Posted Saturday, Feb 4 2006 by Marc Emery:

Cannabis Culture has developed a timeline of events we believe accurately account for the disappearance of Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seeds (hempqc.com), and Eurohemp.

On Monday evening, resident of Montreal Richard Calrisian, the owner of the four websites, was contacted by his web service providers in Vancouver where his servers were situated. They told him that there may be a problem, regarding a police investigation. RC told his provider to shut down the websites immediately.

Within hours, the police (it's unknown what kind of police) apparently entered the server site in Vancouver with a warrant and apprehended the hardware that housed the four web sites.

In the early morning of Tuesday, police in Montreal moved in and arrested RC, his wife, family members and an unknown number of employees.

It is alleged that RC, a pseudonym, is being held at Riviere-des-Prairie (RDP) jail in Montreal, and his wife in is Tanguay jail, across the river from RDP. Cannabis Culture called the prison and found no one there under the name Richard Calrisian.

The bail hearing should be on Monday, but it is unusual that a bail hearing has not yet been held. Typically they take place within 24 hours of arrest, unless an investigation is ongoing and the accused are being held temporarily without bail. This may be because there is a risk that the arrest news might inform other persons who are also under investigation.

Earlier reports of a drug bust in Hearst, Ontario are not related the seizure of Overgrow.com websites.



Posted Tuesday, February 7th by Jodie Giesz-Ramsay:

Did he take the money and run? Or did "RC" go into hiding?

The owner of Heaven's Stairway Seeds, CannabisWorld.com and Overgrow.com has apparently dropped his websites and businesses, and has taken off with everything.

No one knows who "Richard Calrisian" is. No one has come forward with information about the websites. There have been no busts, no arrests linked to the owners. The servers seem to be reachable, but are not hosting the websites anymore.

Was RC scared of being investigated? Did he want to stop paying for an enormous database of information (Overgrow.com)?

Everyone who sells seeds seems to be fleeing North America and going to Amsterdam, Switzerland, Spain, England - the far more progressive countries. They don't want to be picked up by the USA or Canadian governments. Now that the Conservatives are elected in Canada, there's far more risks for people operating marijuana enterprises.

Read the CC Forums thread discussion on the topic here.






Additional Archived Statement from ICMag.com
Posted Thursday, February 9th by Gypsy Nirvana:

RC.....RELEASED!!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

....Hey Guys...

...Now...before I start here let me just get something straight....

....I have been contacted by the same entity that informed me innitially of the aweful situation regarding RC, the O.G./C.W. servers and the R.C.M.P.

...Whether this contact is completely bonafide.... varifyable, or not beyond all reasonable doubt....I am not 100% sure.......maybe about 75% sure till I hear R.C.'s voice.....but thats good enough for me right now......

I feel that it is imperative that I communicate any information to you all out there, for it could help ease your worries in these harrowing times....

Phew....just made it back to London from the Dam........opened my PM box and had this message from the contact...here it is...

''GYPSY,

Sorry Man....i was with RC all night...he is ok.

He is in the process for preliminary hearing,he still needs to go over case file with lawyers,could be a couple of months before RCMP disclose all evidence,he'll keep you posted.

if you want to call him **********
CAUTION home number tapped!

Thats it for me ... i'll be laying low for a while! if ever your in ********...you know how to find me....''

...and O.P. got this message from the same entity:

''RC shut down all sites when he found out an investigation was in progress to protect the members.NO LOGS AVAILABLE!...(Waaay Heey!.....Bloody Good News!!)

OP-RC will prepare a statement for you to post,and he may reguire a defense fund as all corprate and personal assets have been siezed!...

Well my role has been fulfilled ...time to go back to whatever i was doing before.again...thanks for the trust...and who knows? maybe one day, are paths may cross again.''


...I heard his voice.....

...Just got off the dog and bone (phone) with RC.....He sounds O.K.....and happy to be free after being locked up for well over a week.....He asked me to convey his best wishes to you all......and I suggested that I start a fund for his legal defence......He said that he first had to hear from his lawyer if it was cool to be a benificiary of such a fund......


.....I'm just waiting for him to say that it's O.K. to even start a fund........First I reckon that he would have to ask his lawyer if he can recieve payment for his services from such a fund........

....I spoke with him for a short time and did not elaborate upon the charges.......he's not allowed to use a computer......and now he needs to just spend time with his family and work out how his is going to fight whatever the charges are against him.....




Archived statements from THC Ministry Forums:

Posted on Saturday, February 11th on behalf of former OG admin, Plural of Mongoose:

RC is working with the Authorities. OG and CW IP's were logged.

About 48 hours ago I broke my 26 month long self-imposed exile from the internet to post the results of my converstations with RC. Nobody else seemed to the the will or ability to track down and talk to him, and my concerns for the industry and the people I love who participate in it out weighed the enjoyment of my recent relative obscurity. I was sure any calls were going to be monitored, but hey - it's not like my name has never been associated with cannabis seeds, eh. So I called RC. Twice.

The first call was to get his story of what happened to him, and the servers for Overgrow and Cannabis World, and to offer support, financial and otherwise. I had been in contact with a few friends and business acquaintances, and had passed the virtual hat around - to the tune of well over US$50,000 pledged to assist RC, with no strings attached. RC said he would have to talk to his lawyers first for instructions on handling such a large donation. OK, fine. RC has all my contact numbers (always had, btw) and I expected a call the next day with instructions from his lawyers.

After my first call to him, I noted that Marc Emery from Cannabis Culture had a front page story saying RC had split the country, etcetera. Fuck. So, after some introspection, I decided to take the plunge - I was returning to my long lost home, the internet. RC had told me he would be releasing a statement, drawn up with the assistance of his lawyers, within 24 hours. Now, I had taken RC at his word as to what had happened, and I thought his clients, suppliers and members of his sites should have at least an idea of what happened, so I called him back, and said so. He agreed I could post what I put in my first post on the internet in 26 months.

Some things RC said to me didn't sit well with me. I did wake the guy up, but still... my instincts were making my hackles rise. As time passed, I kept thinking - who the fuck doesn't leap on a US$50,000 gift? My instincts said I wouldn't hear from his lawyers about it. I was correct.

Now, I have known RC's real name - and much more information about him, from back in the day when I made a deal with ~Shabang~ to buy out his 1/2 of Overgrow. I started doing the phone call thing to newspapers, the Quebec Provincial Police, RCMP public affairs office, blah, blah, blah. No record of an arrest. No record of bail or release. No records for RC, period. I had a couple of phone calls with ~Shabang~ as well, as he is one of the few people in the world I felt comfortable brain-storming with some of the information I was working with. I trust ~S with my life.

I called everyone I knew - and I know a fuckload of folks - to try and pry out some facts. I got a ton of calls, PM's and emails, and the picture they were painting wasn't jiving with some 'facts' that RC gave me. In fact, the fucker lied to me - to you - to the industry.

Just after midnight last night, I got a call from Marc Emery. Some of you may have heard of him. If you want to Marc bash, stay the fuck outta this thread. I've been in this industry for quite some time, and I don't believe in tearing down anyone who has the guts and determination for a cause that he does. If you don't like doing business with him, then don't. I have managed to negotiate this industry for years without hurting and name calling of people who are, in my eyes, on the same side. (Just ask Dr. Chronic - shortly after his site launched on OG - and when Gypsy was, as usual acting like an asshole and treating the Doc like shit on the boards, his site went down - hardware failure. That day was the first time I talked to the Doc - I called him and offered to host his site until his hardware was repaired. He declined, but that was the basis of a solid business relationship with him, one of my competitors. I have since met the Doc, and he is one of those truly rare finds - an honest to goodness decent and nice man. I would like to think I can call Dr. Chronic my friend, and I won't put up with any Doc bashing here either End of rant)

Emery and I chatted for over 1/2 an hour. At the outset, I was clear that I couldn't give him any information, but we could discuss what we both had knowledge of. I can tell you now that Emery had RC's real name for quite some time, and had been checking high and low, much like I had been, and had found no trace. Emery gave me a who's who list of people who know RC - in some cases for decades - and who RC had shunned any form of contact with since this all started. He quite graciously offered me all they had found out, and didn't pressure me for information in return. His concern for anyone affected by the fallout from this is genuine. The industry is in an uproar, and I hadn't seen anyone else with people working the phones trying to unearth the truth. By approximately 12:53 AM (GMT) Mr. Marc Scott Emery had earned my respect. We ended our chat, but now I still had more questions.

Rumours, speculation and innuendo filled the forums everywhere, and my instincts were screaming by now. Several details RC had given me were blatantly false, but not a smoking gun. Not yet.

And then, this morning at 10:30 AM (GMT) my phone rang. It was an old acquaintance of mine - and he had brought me a smoking gun. He had done business with RC, and RC paid him by check. The check was made out to a business that has nothing to do with cannabis or cannabis seeds. It was the only time that business had ever negotiated a payment from anyone in the industry. And he had just been raided, with the warrant looking for cannabis, cannabis seeds, and financial records. Fortunately, the raid was, well - a bust. Nothing was found, cops were red-faced, and my friend was fine. And pissed off. There is only one person who could have pointed the police to his business. Mr. Richard Baghdadlian, known to you as RC.

I don't doubt that RC was raided, and I don't doubt that his home and business were searched. In fact, I have confirmation they were. He was not arrested. He was at home when I called him, and has since shut off all contact with anyone. I called his lawyers (that little deal a few years ago with ~S, me, RC and OG had left me with all kinda interesting contacts) and they informed me they were not able to contact RC.

So, I'm gonna say it - and lemme tell you, this ain't easy, but now it's time to face some hard facts.

Richard Baghdadlian is co-operating with the authorities to save his own ass, at the expense of breeders, clients, and tens of thousands of members on his sites.

Anyone who had any financial transactions with RC in any way is at risk.

Anyone who posted on OG or CW is at risk. Those forums are gone, and will never be back - the security of every member has been comprimised.

I don't believe IP's were not logged on OG and CW. ~Shabang~ and I discussed this, and how ~S had originally set up the null logs, and db records. Since then, however, RC had instituted many 'anti-troll' features on the boards. Lemme 'splain...

Ask any troll here - if they posted from, say Proxy A one day, and then 3 days later from Proxy B, using the same handle, and admin got tired of them. So, they IP ban Proxy B, while the troll is still signed in. That's how RC would like you to believe it was done. However, if they then tried using a different handle, and Proxy A - well, damned if that one wasn't blocked as well. I can guarantee you that RC had gone back to some default settings to log IP's for everyone, all the time. There is no doubt.

RC is a rat.

OG and CW logged IP's.

The servers weren't seized - they didn't need to seize them - RC has given them complete access to the database records.

People are getting busted based on contact with RC.

I have given oldpink the heads-up a couple of hours ago that I was going to write this up and post it here. Kindly don't tear him up - he is working hard with little information, and is doing the best he can.

As many OG and CW refugees are also hanging at www.hg420.com, I've just got off the phone with Doc Chronic as well, so word of this will get out. (That's important, as that snivelling cunt-rag Gypsy likes to delete any quotes from me over at ICMag. Fuck off Gypsy, and stay outta my thread.)

If I have more information to offer later, I'll post it up in this thread.

If you have some information to give me, email is plural_of_encrypted@hushmail.com, or give me a call - from a safe phone, of course, at 07766 871 905 in the UK, 0044 7766 871 905 in Europe, and from N. America use 01144 7766 871 905.

Take care everyone, I hope you're all safe.

Love,

Plural of Mongoose

PS - if yer gonna quote this post over at other sites, kindly quote the entire post, thank you very much. Mongoose

PPS - Fuck you Richard Baghdadlian - FUCK YOU... Fuck you... fuck you...




Archived Article from MuskogeePhoenix.com:

Posted Friday, February 17th by Leif M. Wright:

Potheads show you?re not anonymous online
By Leif M. Wright
Phoenix Staff Writer

GreenThum43215: Hey, are you the Phoenix guy?
LeifMWright: Yes. Who?s this?
GreenThum43215: You interested in an internet story?
LeifMWright: I?m all ears.
GreenThum43215: Have you ever heard of overgrow.com?

That Internet chat began the weirdest column I?ve ever undertaken, one full of international intrigue, secret marijuana gardens, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Drug Enforcement Administration, a shady character with an Armenian name, a former movie actor turned marijuana seed dealer and tens of thousands of freaked-out potheads who started what I call the Marijuana Bean Field Wars.

Overgrow.com was the world?s largest marijuana cultivation Web site, and possibly the largest single marketplace of illegal ideas in the history of the world. The site taught growers the ins and outs of the plant and how to increase their yields and ostensibly increase the THC content. THC is the chemical believed to cause the ?high? of marijuana.

At its peak before Jan. 31, Overgrow.com had more than 100,000 active members ? a massive amount for all but the largest web sites, and certainly for one that exchanged information that is illegal in most places.

Jan. 31, the site disappeared. Poof. Up in smoke, you might say.
It had warned users a couple of days earlier that it would be undergoing server upgrades, so expect some outages. So no one panicked.

A day later, the site was still gone. Potheads, who are notoriously paranoid already, began to wig out.

What if the site had been busted? Would members be subject to prosecution based on the information they had shared on the site? Had authorities been watching the whole time, building up information so they could attack?

The war begins

GreenThum43215: A lot of people around here are freaking out.

Probably an understatement.

I started searching the Internet for information about Overgrow.com. I found a slew of forums and dozens of sites repeating the same news: Overgrow.com and its parent site, Heaven?s Stairway, had been shut down, their Canadian owner arrested, his house raided and his family jailed.

Heaven?s Stairway was a seed distribution company. Marijuana growers call the seeds ?beans.? Heaven?s Stairway, according to Canadian pot activist Marc Emery, had to be the largest seed merchant in North America, selling cannabis seeds all across Canada and the United States, and probably to other countries, too.

The stories on the Internet didn?t answer some key questions. Were the Web sites shut down by Canadian authorities, or were they, as Emery?s own bust nine months earlier, done in cooperation with the DEA?

Who was the mysterious owner of the sites, and what happened to him? Was he in jail? Was he out? Was he even alive?

What happened to the records of his seed business and the logs on his site that could possibly lead police to those who frequented the site?

Internet forums were atwitter with the details ? or lack of them.

It seems the sites were owned by a Richard Calrisian in Montreal.
But later, it seemed ?Calrisian? had been an alias. His real name was Richard Baghdadlian. And later, it seemed ?Richard? was an alias, too. His real name, they asserted, was Hratch Baghdadlian.

No one seemed to be able to find any official records of his arrest, or even of an investigation.

That, the growers seemed unified in believing, was even more ominous. If the cops had busted Baghdadlian but hadn?t arrested him, it could be that they were still investigating ? or worse, Baghdadlian was cooperating with them, singing like a canary, selling out seed customers, seed merchants and growers all over the continent.

I called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police headquarters in Ottawa.

?We don?t confirm or deny if there is an ongoing investigation,? said Sgt. Nathalie Dechenes, spokesman for the RCMP. ?So we wouldn?t tell you either way. I don?t know if we even have authority to shut down Web sites.?

So I called Emery, who was busted nine months ago and is facing extradition to the United States on charges of selling marijuana seeds in the U.S.

?I?m facing 31 years in a maximum security federal prison,? Emery said. ?It seems to me if Baghdadlian was facing the same thing, he might have started cooperating if they offered to drop the investigation in the U.S. and keep him in Canada.?

Emery had run a seed company in competition with Heaven?s Stairway. When he was busted, his computers were seized (?Nothing was on them,? he said), and his clients in the United States started receiving blue sheets of paper asking them to confirm orders they had placed with his company.

?It was essentially an effort to try to get them to incriminate themselves,? he said. ?But most were smart enough to hit my Web site and find out it was the DEA and not us sending those notices out.?

Meanwhile, several cannabis-related sites were breaking out into full civil war over the Overgrow debacle.

On one side was a fomer movie actor who had had a bit part in a Jean-Claude VanDamme flick and now was calling himself ?Gypsy Nirvana.? He claimed to have spoken with ?RC,? which was a pseudonym for Baghdadlian (growers seem to be big on initials and acronyms).

RC, Nirvana assured everyone, had been arrested, but he was out on bail and he had shut down the servers when he learned of the impending raid ? everyone?s information was safe.

Dissenters began to surface, however, saying Nirvana had a profit motive in mind; he wanted Heaven?s Stairway?s seed business.

On the other side was someone calling himself ?Plural of Mongoose,? who apparently commanded great respect in the growing community. He also claimed to have spoken with RC, who had told him several lies, some of which, combined with a friend being busted, led him to believe RC was cooperating with the authorities.

Caught in the middle was Emery, whose own case had generated a lot of publicity, and who is loved by about half the growing community and violently hated by the other half. Emery?s initial statement on the matter had been that Baghdadlian, tired of the seed business, had decided it was time to bail, so he shut up shop and took off to greener pastures, no pun intended.

The battle raged on in Internet boards with Nirvana accusing Emery of being a jerk for revealing Baghdadlian?s name and phone number on his own site.

Others said Baghdadlian was the jerk for leaving his business partners high and dry, wondering if they could be busted at any time based on information from his servers.

No bust, no investigation, mom says

I called a number given on one site for Baghdadlian. A woman answered and gave her name as ?Mrs. Baghdadlian.?

She confirmed that Hratch is her son and that he was the proprietor of Heaven?s Stairway and Overgrow.com.

?Nothing has happened, there is nothing right now,? she said in an Armenian accent. ?He has not been arrested. There is no investigation.?

I asked her if Baghdadlian had shut the servers down himself. She started stuttering.

?Um,? she said. ?I don?t think I can say anything more than this.?

I asked if she knew where I could reach him to talk to him. She said she did not.

?Wow,? Emery said when I told him about the conversation. ?That sure lends credence to the idea that he took the money and ran.?

It?s possible that Baghdadlian had noticed an increased amount of government servers hitting his sites, saw the writing on the wall and bailed. Emery agreed it was possible.

?Before I was raided, about six weeks before, there was a huge Department of Justice focus on our Web site,? he said. ?Our server logs revealed their IP addresses and we were able to do a whois on them and find out where the hits were coming from.?

Taking the money and running would explain Baghdadlian?s silence ? and the silence of law enforcement, which had thrown a big media party when they busted Emery, patting themselves very publicly on the back for such a large takedown.

What does it mean to you?

The bottom line is those who were doing business with Baghdadlian and Emery were breaking the law if they were doing it in the United States ? they took a tremendous risk to break the law, and they are likely wise to be worried.

Doing that business over the Internet may have given people a false sense of security, since the Internet allows people to feel ?anonymous.?

In the marijuana growing community, the disappearance of Overgrow has made them rudely aware that Internet anonymity is an illusion.

For law enforcement, if there was no bust, they may still benefit from Baghdadlian?s disappearance. Growers all over the Internet were proclaiming that they were done ? they were shutting their operations down for fear ?LEO? would come get them based on information obtained from Baghdadlian?s debacle.

The net gain for law enforcement is a new paranoia in the cannabis-growing world ? and fewer people growing, which means shorter supply and less headache for ?LEO.?

The average, law-abiding citizen can take a good message away from the mess, too, though. The message:

?You?re never anonymous,? Emery said. ?It?s impossible. Governments are investing huge amounts of money to monitor what?s going on on the Internet. If they?re interested in knowing something, they?ll get it.?

Protecting yourself over the Internet ? even in legitimate business ? should take top priority. You may never have thought about breaking a law yourself, but your information is scattered all over the Internet, and those with less scruples than you can easily gain access to it and use it to defraud you.

Be careful. The Internet is still a rough new frontier, much like Oklahoma was in the Land Run years. You may not be facing droughts and maurading bandits, but you face less-than-honest people who will take your information and use it to hurt you.

?Never do business with anyone who won?t give you a real name,? Emery said.

More importantly, never do online business with a company you haven?t thoroughly seen to be trustworthy. Even big companies suffer from ?phishing,? where people will pretend to be the big companies and request personal information from you, which is later used to defraud you.

For those doing illegal business over the Internet, my advice is this: Just don?t.

You can reach Leif M. Wright at 684-2906 or [Email]lmwright@muskogeephoenix.com.[/Email] If you?re ?LEO,? you already know that.



RCMP Take Down Seed Company tied to Overgrow.com
by RCMP Website (28 Feb, 2006)

The RCMP dismantles an international drug distribution network on the internet Royal Canadian Mounted Police crestThe members of the Marihuana Grow Operations Enforcement Team of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police concluded their first major operation when they uncovered a Montreal based criminal organization involved in the trafficking, importation and exportation of cannabis seeds, as well as in conspiring for the purpose of cannabis cultivation via the Internet.

This operation was launched in November 2004 under the name "Courriel" and culminated with the seizure of 200,000 cannabis seeds and the arrest of seven persons.

Project "Courriel" revealed that Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN, 38, from Marsan Street in Montreal, and six other persons operated the Heaven's Stairway company. This company was on the web claiming to be the North American supplier for indoor and outdoor cannabis production.

The cybercompany Heaven's Stairway used the Internet sites hempqc.com, cannabisworld.com, overgrow.com, eurohemp.com, cannabisseeds.com, and cannabisbay.com. These sites were used to order cannabis seeds online and obtain information on cannabis cultivation.

These Internet sites also suggested ways to outsmart the police. Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN was the instigator, head and main beneficiary of the illicit company Heaven's Straiway. The other six accused acted as couriers and performed other duties for the company.

They are Geoffrey CHAN, 33, Maria Cristina CIVITILLO, 32, Natalie BAGHDADLIAN, 40, Manuel Bento FERNANDES, 45, Christopher ALMOND, 38, and Teresa RODRIGUES, 39. They all live in Montreal except Christopher ALMOND who lives in Ville Saint-Laurent.

The organization processed approximately 30 orders of cannabis seeds a day averaging $100 each. The seeds were sent to clients by regular mail. The seven people are facing 49 charges under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and the Criminal Code of Canada. The offences were committed in Quebec, Canada, North America, the United Kingdom and elsewhere in the world between March 12, 1998 and January 31, 2006. Nine searches were carried out during the week of January 30, 2006 in order to gather evidence that criminal activities had been committed. The searches were conducted in Montreal and Laval, as well as in the residences of three of the accused, a business, three post office boxes, a vehicle and a safe-deposit box.

These searches led to the seizure of 200,000 cannabis seeds, more than $183,362 in US currencies and $14,000 in Canadian currencies, both in cash and postal money orders, three one-kilogram gold bricks, a Harley-Davidson motorcycle, a Mazda RX8 and many purchase orders.

Since the searches were conducted, 272 orders have been intercepted by the police. The amount of seeds seized during the searches could have made it possible to operate approximately 500 cannabis greenhouses of 400 plants each, which represent 42 million joints sold on the street.

The seven accused are liable to 10 years' imprisonment. Since the possession of cannabis seeds is illegal under Schedule II of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, clients of the network could also receive a visit from the police.

It should be noted that Project "Courriel", a first in Canada, is the fruit of the work of the new Marihuana Grow Operations Enforcement Team.

This new drug enforcement team is one of the seven teams established by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police across Canada in 2004 to combat the scourge of marihuana. The main objectives of these teams are to interdict drugs before they arrive in our communities and to target and destroy the infrastructure and the networks used by criminal organizations involved in marihuana production. These organizations constitute a threat to public safety and well-being.

For information:
Communications Office
(514) 939-8308




Posted Friday, March 3rd by DRCNet:


Canada Cannabis Seed Crackdown?

The rumors began circulating on Canadian marijuana-oriented web sites a month ago when people reported that the web sites related to what was arguably Canada's largest seed seller -- nobody really knows -- Montreal-based Heaven's Stairway suddenly went down. (The sites include hempqc.com, cannabisworld.com, overgrow.com, eurohemp.com, cannabisseeds.com, and cannabisbay.com.) The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) made it official Tuesday when they announced that the company had indeed been busted in late January and that the owner, Richard Bagdadlian, his wife, and five employees faced serious charges and possible 10-year prison sentences. Other seed sellers and even buyers could face similar attention, the Mounties warned.

"This looks like an RCMP show bust," said Ottawa-based activist Tim Meehan, a long-time cannabis activist currently concentrating on municipal drug policy with the National Capital Reformers. "I think this was meant to put a chill in the seed business and give Prime Minister Harper's American friends the idea that we are doing something about the marijuana seed 'problem,'" he told DRCNet.

In the past fifteen years, Canada's cannabis culture and its commercial infrastructure -- grow ops, grow shops, fertilizer companies, seed companies -- have expanded largely unimpeded. According to knowledgeable observers, there are dozens of commercial seed producers operating in Canada and an equal number of stores and web sites offering the seeds for sale. While "Prince of Pot" Marc Emery and his Emery Seed Company, then Canada's largest, were shut down by the Mounties last year, that raid was at the behest of the US Drug Enforcement Administration and the charges Emery faces are in the US.

Prior to the Heaven's Stairway bust, only three people had been convicted of seed offenses in Canada, and two of them were Emery. None of them got more than a slap on the wrist in the form of fines. Now, Canadian authorities have given notice that the cannabis seed business is fair game, and the Canadian cannabis industry is watching closely.

The RCMP announced it had seized 200,000 marijuana seeds, $200,000 US in cash, and gold, motorcycles, and cars in a series of raids in the Montreal area. The Mounties described Heaven's Stairway as "a Montreal based criminal organization involved in the trafficking, importation and exportation of cannabis seeds, as well as in conspiring for the purpose of cannabis cultivation via the Internet."

The Mounties were sending a clear signal to the cannabis seed industry. "It's an illegal business," said Staff Sgt. Andre Potvin of the RCMP's Montreal drug section. "There has been a general misconception for years even among law enforcement that cannabis seeds are not illegal to possess, and that was clarified with this operation. This has been going on for years and years," he told DRCNet, "and we realized that with the boom in the amount of growing operations that we had better start enforcing the law."

They are doing just that with a vengeance. The Heaven's Stairway arrestees face 49 charges and up to a decade behind bars under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and Criminal Code of Canada for processing what the RCMP said was 30 cannabis seed orders a day averaging $100 each. And since the possession of cannabis seeds is illegal under Schedule II of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, clients of the network could also receive a visit from the police, the Mounties said.

People who did business with Heaven's Stairway should be worried, Potvin warned. "We seized a huge amount of data in their computers and we will be tracing it," he said. "Here in Canada, people who bought seeds should worry. If we can trace customers and link them to the actual growing of marijuana plants, we will be looking at charges. We also received information from the DEA in regard to complaints they had from North Dakota and Wisconsin that kids were ordering seeds from Canada. We have transmitted all the information to all the other partners we have in the world."

"This is probably not a good thing for the industry," Emery told DRCNet. "If you're in the business, make sure you have a good lawyer on retainer, and be discreet! The police have the servers for Heaven's Stairway and all those other sites, and several hundred people are at risk at a minimum. Several thousand are feeling affected and their gardens have probably come down. If you had anything to do with them, you should take appropriate action," he said. "This will create a reduction in wealth and scarcity in our communities."

Although the Bagdadlian bust is creating jitters, not everybody is scurrying for cover.

It's business at usual in the Up In Smoke Caf? about 50 miles southwest of Toronto in Hamilton, Ontario. Seed sales continue, as do sales of cannabis foods, but customers must bring their own smoke. "We openly defy the law; our existence is an act of civil disobedience," said caf? owner Chris Godwin. "I don't really worry too much about it," he told DRCNet. "Most rational police forces don't prioritize marijuana offenses, and most cannabis seed outlets are small shops that quietly do their business and pay taxes."

Up In Smoke isn't all that quiet. "I put cannabis seeds on my advertising," Goodwin said, "and we've had cannabis giveaways." He's not alone in Hamilton, which boasts seven heads shops and at least one other seed purveyor. "We had a cannabis crawl where we went to six different cafes, some where they're openly selling pot, others that let you smoke openly. Canada is not utopia, but it's not so bad."

"I still think stores that sell seeds are not really at much of a risk," said Emery. "I think it's the import-export aspect that draws attention. I wouldn't send any seeds to the US, and I wouldn't sell seeds to someone who says he is from the US. But in Canada, the courts have never sent anyone to jail for seeds before."

But selling to the US and selling seeds in large volumes -- both of which Heaven's Stairway did -- can be a problem, Goodwin said. "Doing that is risky business, and things like this can happen. While I wish I could supply that demand south of the border, I don't sell to the United States."

One group that should not worry, said Meehan, was people providing seeds for medical marijuana patients. "Dealers supplying bona fide patients should have no problems with this increased enforcement, unless the police and the Conservative government want to get the 90% of the Canadian population that supports medical marijuana up in arms."

Providing medicine to patients is one thing; running a commercial seed operation for personal profit without supporting the community that supports you is another. Emery was somewhat critical of Bagdadlian and his crew on a couple of counts. "When we were busted, we were able to assure people we didn't lose any data and no one was at risk because we got the word out right away," he said. "In this case, they were busted a month ago and the police ordered them to keep quiet, and the mail kept coming. It is unfortunate that these folks are putting their own preservation above that of the community they served."

Emery also pointed out that Bagdadlian didn't contribute to the marijuana legalization movement, as he has. "They didn't have any political content," he said. "They did nothing to end prohibition; they were profiteers in an illegal industry, nothing more. When the police raided our bank accounts, there was no money, no drugs, no cash, no kilogram bars of gold, no wealth. We had $12 in one account, but they didn't bother to seize that."

On the other hand, said Meehan, Bagdadlian and his web sites were valuable for patients. "Those seeds were used by patients worldwide, and I know offhand at least a dozen legal Canadian medical marijuana patients who used the growing tips they provided," he said.

Movement politics aside, the Bagdadlian bust is an ominous signal early in the Harper administration. Although marijuana decriminalization or legalization is favored by a majority of Canadians, those are not the people represented by the minority Harper government. While the new Canadian government may be playing to the US, its views on drug policy also reflect an antipathy toward cannabis and a fear of drug-related criminality in sectors of the Canadian polity that now have a voice in Ottawa.

The Conservative victory in January's elections may signal a crackdown of sorts, Emery suggested. "I think the police are going to have a lot more money and political license, and they are emboldened to do more and more, from arresting drug users in Vancouver to going after the largest seed distribution organizations."

If and when more information comes to light, I will include it here. 
Though quite convoluted, I believe enough time has passed such
that any true overgrower would have taken notice and done whatever
necessary in order to assure their safety.

And so, unstickified this thread goes :spliff:


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: geokills]
    #5262440 - 02/04/06 12:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Geo! :thumbup:


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    #5262443 - 02/04/06 12:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Damnit, time for the aluminum hats again.  :shiftyeyes:


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    #5262446 - 02/04/06 12:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, whats the charges?

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    #5262451 - 02/04/06 12:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Get the thick kind


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Turn]
    #5262502 - 02/04/06 12:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

> Wow, whats the charges?

As far as I know, no charges have been publicly stated, nor has news of the bust (which apparently took place last Monday!) been circulated save for the confirmation by Gypsy last night and the subsequent article by CannibisCulture. It should be of some comfort to note that OG and CW reportedly did not log IP addresses on any user accounts. Of most particular concern imo, is if you had an outstanding order with Heaven's Stairway Seed Co / EuroHemp; in which case you should clean up shop right away, especially if you are located in Canada. If nothing else, at least this will serve as a reminder that we need to be diligent in our safety while oppressive laws restrict our freedom of choice and our persuit of happiness. It is only unfortunate that good souls must fall down for bringing us such harmless information.


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    #5262503 - 02/04/06 12:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Damnit, time for the aluminum hats again.  :shiftyeyes:




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    #5262505 - 02/04/06 12:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So whats the shroomeries plan for evading this action being brought?

Are you guys brainstorming? What can they do if you write a program that will change every drug word over to something benign and we all start speaking in secret code- hahahahaha beat them at their own secret society games.

Can the techy wiz kids here create an impenetrable shield to keep an outside force from shutting it down?

Where there is a will there is a way.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: InsatiableThirst]
    #5262507 - 02/04/06 12:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

hat = PF tek


three piece alum. suit = bulk w/poo


they'll never get me!!!!!!!!!

Incredibly sad news though...Kinda glad I didn't frequent Overgrow myself. Hope this isn't a new trend.........

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    #5262710 - 02/04/06 01:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Damn. :frown:

I had been a member of overgrow for a long time now.  Sad, sad time....


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    #5262732 - 02/04/06 02:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

What's keeping us up and running?

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    #5262738 - 02/04/06 02:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

hopefully these busts arent going to be a trend like all those RC web busts. i can see it happening though. good thing i jumped off OG a looooong time ago though. sad to see what the world is coming to with all these ridiculous actions by governments to try and stop "problems."

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    #5262764 - 02/04/06 02:14 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going to start backing up Teks and other things right now.

Can never be too safe...lets just hope it doesn't happen.


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    #5262768 - 02/04/06 02:15 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

you say they didn't log ip's

but what about backups like PM's here at the Shroomery... do those get saved?

Example, let's say i pm someone to send me a print... i don't want my safehouse to get busted. There are people actually living there...


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    #5262773 - 02/04/06 02:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i got a book of tek's that i ahve made... and put under lock and key.
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    #5262781 - 02/04/06 02:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

> What's keeping us up and running?

We are an information database which does not house or distribute any illegal substances, thereby affording us protection under the 1st amendment regarding freedom of speech & press. Due to the nature of an online BBS, we are largely protected from prosecution due to information which third-parties (ie. end-users) may post to the website as long as we are diligent in responding to any potential issues once they are brought to our attention. We readily enforce a minimum age requirement in order to appease obscenity laws and will actively respond to any issues that may be brought to our attention regarding other potential legal violations. My suspicions would lead me to believe that the authorities must have found some legal issues with direct respect to the proprietors of the other websites. Aside from a trip every blue moon and a small stash of personal toking goods, all of the directors here are pretty damn clean. I should also note that we have been taking regular off-site backups of the Shroomery for years now, so in the event of a seizure the site would only be down temporarily until new hardware (and if necessary new directors) can be implemented. Let us hope it won't come to that.


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    #5262791 - 02/04/06 02:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm glad someone is thinking about these things.::thumbs up::


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    #5262792 - 02/04/06 02:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I must say...you guys know what you're doing.  :cheers:


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    #5262800 - 02/04/06 02:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

how was overgrow any different than what you just described?

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    #5262808 - 02/04/06 02:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.

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    #5262822 - 02/04/06 02:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I was just thinking since Overgrow dealt a lot of with seeds, which is illegal here, it caused them to be shut down.

Now, the Shroomery has sponsors for spores...which aren't illegal. Well, just those few states.

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    #5262834 - 02/04/06 02:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Did these sites sell by creditcard? If so the cops now have the names and addresses of everyone who ordered from there. Assuming the cops do start raiding customers what offence have you commited by ordering from a site like this? Or is this offence only if you are caught in possession?

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    #5262839 - 02/04/06 02:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I have no idea. I've never ordered any seeds before.


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    #5262868 - 02/04/06 02:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

> how was overgrow any different than what you just described?

Perhaps they were more 'lax on responding to requests regarding the removal of legally objectionable material (ie. copyright infringements or drug solicitations). Perhaps they allowed the trading of seeds to transpire on their website. Canadian laws may be written and/or interpreted differently from US laws. But as I stated above, I would suspect that the authorities must have found some legal issues with direct respect to the proprietors of the other websites. Regardless, this is all speculation and we can only do what is in our power to protect ourselves - so be safe and be responsible!


> what about backups like PM's here at the Shroomery... do those get saved?

Currently each new backup will overwrite the last. Though the entire database is kept on backup, PM's will be routinely purged from the active system and therefore older sensitive material will not be kept in the backup. Nevertheless, it is important for everyone to act responsibly for their own safety and the safety of those they care about when they are dealing with any activity deemed illegal by our governments. While one certainly shouldn't panic, one should also beware not to let the anonymity of the internet blanket oneself with a false sense of security.


> let's say i pm someone to send me a print... i don't want my safehouse to get busted. There are people actually living there...

There will always be a risk, but remember that spores are not illegal; and also that in an online community of some 40,000 users with millions of posts, it is nearly impossible that any legal authority would dedicate the resources necessary to go after every John and Jane that have sent a print somewhere. Though the government may waste money on making a point, I doubt they would waste that much money as it would likely damage their reputation in the public eye and probably result in a larger outcry for the legalization and decriminalization of such non-toxic substances, in lieu of throwing millions (billions?) of tax-payer revenue at the "problem".


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    #5262923 - 02/04/06 03:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thats for all the info geo, it is really comforting. When the news first hit I was thinking "Damn what if this happens to the shroomery? I would get some killer withdrawels if they took my shroomy freinds away!!!"


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    #5262993 - 02/04/06 03:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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That I didnt get a chance to back-up all of their FAQs - CRAP




Google cache to the rescue!
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    #5263030 - 02/04/06 03:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

this would be the perfect opportunity to sell overgrow.com t-shirts :smile:


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    #5263059 - 02/04/06 03:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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That I didnt get a chance to back-up all of their FAQs - CRAP




Google cache to the rescue!
http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:www.overgrow.com/growfaq/&filter=0




Sorry man, but if you look at any of those it won't go. Google just cache's the link and i guess a little blurb, because the site itself is down we still can't reach it.


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    #5263081 - 02/04/06 03:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So, does Shroomery have user IP logs?


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Hrethic]
    #5263084 - 02/04/06 03:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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That I didnt get a chance to back-up all of their FAQs - CRAP




Google cache to the rescue!
http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:www.overgrow.com/growfaq/&filter=0




Sorry man, but if you look at any of those it won't go. Google just cache's the link and i guess a little blurb, because the site itself is down we still can't reach it.




dont click on the direct link, click the cached button.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Hrethic]
    #5263085 - 02/04/06 03:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Try www.archive.org and the Wayback machine. Haven't done it for awhile, but I used to be able to pull entire sites that were offline


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That I didnt get a chance to back-up all of their FAQs - CRAP




Google cache to the rescue!
http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:www.overgrow.com/growfaq/&filter=0




Sorry man, but if you look at any of those it won't go. Google just cache's the link and i guess a little blurb, because the site itself is down we still can't reach it.



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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: gourmetgrower]
    #5263102 - 02/04/06 03:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i have a good chunk of the growing guide backed up, (i hope this doesn't void my geocities licence agreement :S), download it, 22 pages.

GrowingInformation.zip

PM me is anyone looses this link

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: riby]
    #5263110 - 02/04/06 03:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

erm...sorry, looks like Overgrow is blocked, but Cannibisworld is still available...example > http://web.archive.org/web/20050204022926/www.irie.tc/sb/index.php

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: geokills]
    #5263122 - 02/04/06 03:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if this friggin' raid and closure was the result by inference and suggestions of the American DEA and other U.S. drug policy enforcers trying to influence other countries into either your with us or against us policies.

Usually something that big is not a nations number one priority. Pot in Canada is a very low criminal priority and we know the U.S. and Bush arew down on Canada for their lenient and liberal pot laws.
I am sure they are working with the Canadian enforcement people.

I heard recently someone say that now pot money is being channeled to AL Quida. What a crock of shit.
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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5263201 - 02/04/06 04:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Oh yeah, MJ? Have you been following the Big Three case in Canada? Marc Emery et al may be tried in the states under their marijuana laws. They're basically fucked.

This is a really crappy time right now. Apparently Marc's going to be on 60 Minutes on Sunday... I think, tomorrow-Sunday! So hopefully we all catch it. If anyone can post the time, I will be sure not to miss it. :frown:


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: geokills]
    #5263277 - 02/04/06 04:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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I should also note that we have been taking regular off-site backups of the Shroomery for years now, so in the event of a seizure the site would only be down temporarily




Is there a way for the normal shroomery member to download say the 3 cultivation forums...... just in case?


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5263307 - 02/04/06 04:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

> Is there a way for the normal shroomery member to download say the 3 cultivation forums

Short of saving each individual thread to your harddrive, there is not such a system in place currently. I'm also not sure that we would want to distribute copies of the forums so freely since they may contain some personal information that a user let slip by and then came back to edit out.

You can however, download a [55 MB ZIP'd archive] of our [front end static-information] on mushroom cultivation.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: eligal]
    #5263512 - 02/04/06 05:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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eligal said:
dont click on the direct link, click the cached button.




Yep. I was able to save 846 pages of of FAQs. Just the text, no images, linked posts, or other such info, but at least some of the info is saved.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: geokills]
    #5263513 - 02/04/06 05:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This is terrible, i hope overgrow comes back at least.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: DaReD3ViL]
    #5263581 - 02/04/06 06:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

thank god for google cache#@$$ i needed to visit there so badly lol


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: geokills]
    #5263750 - 02/04/06 07:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Geo, if the Shroomery server were ever seized, would a fed tech be able to ascertain our I.P. addresses, and therefore actual addresses?

This site has a puppet locater software thingy that works off of I.P. addresses doesn't it? Doesn't that mean a record of our I.P. addresses is kept for the puppet tracker to use to ascertain puppets?

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5263804 - 02/04/06 07:31 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The Shroomery does indeed keep IP logs, which have been cleared from time to time but with which the authorities may have a chance of locating the origin of your connection.  I'm no tech expert, and don't know the logistics behind it all.. so as I stated earlier:
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There will always be a risk, but remember that spores are not illegal; and also that in an online community of some 40,000 users with millions of posts, it is nearly impossible that any legal authority would dedicate the resources necessary to go after every John and Jane that have sent a print somewhere. Though the government may waste money on making a point, I doubt they would waste that much money as it would likely damage their reputation in the public eye and probably result in a larger outcry for the legalization and decriminalization of such non-toxic substances, in lieu of throwing millions (billions?) of tax-payer revenue at the "problem".

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It is important for everyone to act responsibly for their own safety and the safety of those they care about when they are dealing with any activity deemed illegal by our governments. While one certainly shouldn't panic, one should also beware not to let the anonymity of the internet blanket oneself with a false sense of security.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: geokills]
    #5263809 - 02/04/06 07:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for your honesty :thumbup:


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5263866 - 02/04/06 07:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

well lots of IPs now aren't static, so they change all the time. something about every restart, or every time the connection is interrupted. i'm not positive tho.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: starseed1066]
    #5263936 - 02/04/06 07:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

But if they have the I.P. and the date/time of the connection, the ISP can and will provide the pigs with a subscriber address.

Seen it on court t.v.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5264185 - 02/04/06 08:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
But if they have the I.P. and the date/time of the connection, the ISP can and will provide the pigs with a subscriber address.

Seen it on court t.v.




But many will require a court order or subpoena before they do so and the cops/feds can't just go to the court and say "These are all the IPs who have been on the site, give us a subpoena for all of them", they have to show evidence of illegal activity for each one all of which takes time and resources. Then actually doing a criminal investigation on those people would require yet even more resources.

Really, the only ones who have even the slightest thing to worry about are people who flaunt being a major commercial sized grower in a place where such is illegal. I'd hope those people are taking extra precautions against such things.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Ecwfrk]
    #5264391 - 02/04/06 09:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: sever]
    #5264468 - 02/04/06 10:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

What a month -- first Winchester Arms goes out of business, then Overgrow! All the monoliths of American Culture are falling!!!

Walgreens will be the next to go.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: sever]
    #5264527 - 02/04/06 10:26 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

As I stated in my other thread, I think this reeks of another DEA interference into Canadian affairs. The first being Marc Emery.


Recently, I mean. (I'm sure the DEA has been fucking with canada for years) It's like stage 2 of their most recent bullshit.  :evil:


(And you are probably correct in seeing a likely connection in the timing of this with the installation of the new Bush friendly bastard Prime Minister in Canada. ):nonono:

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
    #5264581 - 02/04/06 10:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

New update:

http://cannabisculture.com/articles/4638.html

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New Information Regarding Police Seizures of Overgrow.com
by Marc Emery (03 Feb, 2006)

Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Company and Eurohemp.com Owners Apprehended

Cannabis Culture has developed a timeline of events we believe accurately account for the disappearance of Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seeds (hempqc.com), and Eurohemp.

On Monday evening, resident of Montreal Richard Calrisian, the owner of the four websites, was contacted by his web service providers in Vancouver where his servers were situated. They told him that there may be a problem, regarding a police investigation. RC told his provider to shut down the websites immediately.

Within hours, the police (it's unknown what kind of police) apparently entered the server site in Vancouver with a warrant and apprehended the hardware that housed the four web sites.

In the early morning of Tuesday, police in Montreal moved in and arrested RC, his wife, family members and an unknown number of employees.

It is alleged that RC, a pseudonym, is being held at Riviere-des-Prairie (RDP) jail in Montreal, and his wife in is Tanguay jail, across the river from RDP. Cannabis Culture called the prison and found no one there under the name Richard Calrisian.

The bail hearing should be on Monday, but it is unusual that a bail hearing has not yet been held. Typically they take place within 24 hours of arrest, unless an investigation is ongoing and the accused are being held temporarily without bail. This may be because there is a risk that the arrest news might inform other persons who are also under investigation.

Earlier reports of a drug bust in Hearst, Ontario are not related the seizure of Overgrow.com websites.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Ecwfrk]
    #5264697 - 02/04/06 11:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Ecwfrk said:
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Microcosmatrix said:
But if they have the I.P. and the date/time of the connection, the ISP can and will provide the pigs with a subscriber address.

Seen it on court t.v.




But many will require a court order or subpoena before they do so and the cops/feds can't just go to the court and say "These are all the IPs who have been on the site, give us a subpoena for all of them", they have to show evidence of illegal activity...




Stop. Everyone who ever posted a live Marijuanna plant (crime) on OG now has compromised security, period.

The pigs can plan and present bullshit evidence to obtain a warrant(s) and leave it up to you to dispute it later in court.

You have no rights until you go to court and fight for them usually.

It's what they know that matters. Whatever you post on the internet you might as well tack up on telephone poles around town.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5265101 - 02/05/06 01:43 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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The pigs can plan and present bullshit evidence to obtain a warrant(s) and leave it up to you to dispute it later in court.




cops MUST articulate reasonable suspicion that they believe a person has
committed a crime or is about to commit a crime in order to obtain a warrant,
they cannot present 'bullshit evidence', in a case such as this, they would have
to present the judge with something along the lines of the IP logs for your user
name, photos or private/public messages that incriminate you like a request for
seeds from another member... thats a lot of PMs to go through a judge generaly
will not issue a warrant if he doesnt believe there is sufficient evidence to
convict, this probably doesnt apply in canada

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You have no rights until you go to court and fight for them usually.




understand you're talking first about an international situation, for the US,
you do have rights, of course if you're arrested you then have a new set of
rights in addition to the others, you dont have to prove anything, the state
has to make the case, you just have to punch holes in it, how many times have
you been called by the name of 'defendant'

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It's what they know that matters. Whatever you post on the internet you might as well tack up on telephone poles around town.




3 people use my computer regularly, 3 more on a less frequent basis, what
exactly can they know, that my computer is connected to the internet, that
some one used it to access a website and that it was done within certain
hours, posting it on a utility pole can actualy be safer, you have the plausable
deniability aspect, after all, who would make public confessions in such a way

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5265114 - 02/05/06 01:50 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If you're paranoid about IP stuff. download Tor. Its easy to set up and works well. for example, google thinks im in the netherlands or sometimes italy. Thats annoying b/c its in another language, but you can always go to google.us. anyway, i guess the main point of my post is Tor. download it! tor.eff.org --> yes, eff! i love them.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5265146 - 02/05/06 02:08 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Presumably if the shroomery goes the same way the cops will have the IP's of everyone who has ever posted about growing mushrooms or extracting mescaline and will be paying them a visit?

Might be an idea to start editing posts.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
    #5265250 - 02/05/06 03:10 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

all that i can say is that all towns go to counties, and then all counties go to states, and all states go to country, and this country is run by our "beloved" GWB, who is a complete ass.


in this case do you really wonder why we are oppresed????  we in the "good old" U S of A have more people in prizon than the rest of the world, and they call this country a "free country"? It's FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!!"  so why dont we all vote against these bullshit laws????

I'll tell you why. It's because it doesn' matter worth a FUCK if we vote one way or the other. THEY ASSIGN WHO THEY WANT, not who we "the little people" want. Its the biggest conspiracy known to man!!!


fuck them, and fuck anyone who dis-agrees. there is no proof to back this bullshit up, yet there is tons of PROOF to back against it.

(not to say that i'm some kind of terrorist (cause lord knows that A: i'm too lazy, B: i don't wanna get involved. C: It's not worth it. and D: just let these political FUCKS do their thing or you'll get capped in some mysterious, unsolved mystery way" bullshit.)

.............but fuck this shit. i wish some of us here would actually fucking vote, and make laws PRO-GROWERS.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
    #5265543 - 02/05/06 09:11 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Sad day for Canada. Sounds like the US is having all sortf of fun with their new buddy up here in Canada.

I was looking over a couple Canadian news sites and couldn't find anything on this situation. Could somebody with more info on whats happening to some journalists of larger Canadian news organizations. Hopefully one of them will pick up the story and possibly shed more light on the situation.


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    #5265587 - 02/05/06 09:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

starseed1066 said:
well lots of IPs now aren't static, so they change all the time. something about every restart, or every time the connection is interrupted. i'm not positive tho.




Actually IPs are tending to become static more often, statistically speaking. It's preferable for high speed communication.


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    #5265608 - 02/05/06 10:00 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So I guess the question that is becoming more and more obvious is...

Why do the governments of our so-called 'free countries' believe it is acceptable to propagate a social agenda which demonizes our harmless subculture?

Why do they believe they have the right to fight a drug war when all we want is peace and understanding? Why does mainstream society simply stand by while governments carry out social, economic, and personal attacks on those of our belief system?

Clearly information mediums (such as this site) are wonderful defenses against the ignorance and misinformation our authorities feed us... but is there really nothing we can do to fight back? To cause change?

(Why is it like this and how are we going to change it?)


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5265668 - 02/05/06 10:25 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, years ago I was into OG.... but i stopped all that shite 'cause my nerves couldn't take it anymore.

My question is if you posted a pic and erased it, or had an account and erased it, is there any remaining record of that pic or account and the associated IPs that accessed/uploaded it??? The same goes for here.... what would erasing my account do? Would it cover me in the event of a seizure????

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: mediman0078]
    #5265683 - 02/05/06 10:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

My question is if you posted a pic and erased it, or had an account and erased it, is there any remaining record of that pic or account and the associated IPs that accessed/uploaded it??? The same goes for here.... what would erasing my account do? Would it cover me in the event of a seizure????


Fuck knows. All I know is I'm going through every last one of my posts and deleting the motherfuckers just to be "safe" (tho "safe" seems like a relative term at the moment)

I guess that's the big flaw in the internet. If the cops raid someplace like this they can track you down in a heartbeat.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: simtap]
    #5265746 - 02/05/06 10:59 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I personally wouldn't worry about a few posts on overgrow. I think they're more interested in dealing with the authors of the site and removing all of valuable information so others can't benifit from it than they are in tracking down a few people who grew a couple of plants.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: shroomsynergy]
    #5265780 - 02/05/06 11:12 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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ShrOOmSynEgry said:

so why dont we all vote against these bullshit laws????

I'll tell you why. It's because it doesn' matter worth a FUCK if we vote one way or the other.

.............but fuck this shit. i wish some of us here would actually fucking vote, and make laws PRO-GROWERS.




Uh, so what were you trying to say?  Take a step back my brother, the sky is not falling (yet)!  I do vote, and I write my senators and district representatives whenever there is an upcomming vote on drug policy and subsequently again if they vote against a drug policy that I am in favor of.  If we all had an attitude like yours, you are correct we wouldn't get anywhere!  Thankfully some people are willing to take the personal initiative to WORK for change.  It won't happen overnight, but if people hadn't been dedicating their time and resources, we wouldn't have so many states with medical marijuana laws today. 

I believe that once a solid majority of states enact medical marijuana laws, it would only make sense that the federal government would eventually have to conceed to the people's choice.  You can be cynical and say no, that there is a conspiracy and the fed's will hold their power grip over our nation for all time, but I won't believe it -- I can't believe it -- because then I'd be as complacent in my inaction as it seems you are.  Negative propaganda seems to have blinded many, but that doesn't mean you still can't help those fighting against this hypocritical drug war and create some change!

Here are some websites that I suggest anyone interested in fighting for positive change join, contribute to, and participate in.  Most of 'em even take much of the legwork out of the fight and will email you whenever there are local events / voting matters that could use your support!  Come on guys 'n gals, take a few minutes:

Now get to work!! :whip:

Things in You Can Do in Your Community:

Discuss the issues with other interested people 
There might be several like-minded groups of people in your local area or discussing the issues online. 

Table at Events     
You can set up a table at public events and provide information on the issue.  This is also a great chance to meet like-minded people, talk to them about their concerns and coordinate. 

Distribute Flyers and Put up Posters   
You can print out materials and distribute them to friends and the public in order to raise awareness about issues.
   
Write a Letter to the Editor     
You can write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper and express your opinion about issues that are being covered (or are noticeably absent). Your letter might very well be printed in the "Letters to the Editor" section, which is the second-most read feature in a newspaper.

Meet with your Elected Representatives
You can meet with elected officials or their representatives and tell them what you think about a certain issue or bill, and to try to get him or her to take action on that issue.   

Join a Demonstration
All across the country people are showing their disproval of government policies by peacefully demonstrating.  You can join these gatherings and add your voice.   

Vote
You can vote for candidates who share your belief in a safe and free society.  To find out a candidate's voting record, please visit the ACLU's National Freedom Scorecard. 

Start a Letter-Writing Campaign   
Recruit friends and others to write letters to Members of Congress and the State House/Senate on key issues.

Organize a public event     
You can organize public events (such as rallies, speaking forums, town hall meetings, and concerts) to raise awareness about the issues and perhaps even raise funds.  By gathering interesting speakers and cool activities (music, dancing, etc.), you not only recruit new members, but you may also get media attention. 

Volunteer     
By volunteering at one of the above organizations you are not only contributing significantly to the work that needs to be done, you also develop great experience and gain tremendous knowledge about the issues.

Get a Resolution Passed in Your Community 
Many communities around the country have passed resolutions indicating their commitment to defend civil liberties. These resolutions show politicians at all levels believe that civil liberties must be preserved and that it is possible to be both safe and free.



We are still free to fight for our freedom
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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: dalmonk]
    #5265787 - 02/05/06 11:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

There SHould be some type of Rendezvous setup...perhaps through here or even better, erowid where members of Overgrow can report any type of suspicous activity regarding law enforcement persuing cultivators based on the seized information. Im sure atleast 75% of the members at Overgrow were US citizens which means Canadians would need to pass on info to the DEA for them to start doing anything here. That being said, Canadians would be the first to go---theres some extra redtape inbetween everybody else.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: barfightlard]
    #5265788 - 02/05/06 11:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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bellylard said:
Sad day for Canada. Sounds like the US is having all sortf of fun with their new buddy up here in Canada.




canada need to accept responsibility for it's own screw ups, from the charges
levied against them, it's canadians that made the arrests, it's canadas laws they
are being prosecuted under, this is not americas doing, it's canadas

we also do not come to canada and sell guns, canadians come to america to buy them

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5266166 - 02/05/06 01:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Are you to say that America hasn't been the least bit influencial? We're certainly aware that it's Canadians that are doing this right now, but we've been pretty damn relaxed in the past. I mean, we've been taxing these seed businesses for the past 10 years with absolutely NO quarral up until now. America's getting tighter and tighter every day, with the exception of tolerence for medicinal application in a few states.

I'm just as disappointed as the next Canadian that we're losing this battle when we've come so far. Have you ever spoken with people like Jack Layton before? He wants to legalize marijuana or at least bring in more sane laws to the house. Lots of NDP leaders like my local MP have less harsh opinions on marijuana laws.

I don't know why but I'm sensing a lot of resentment in your posts? We're fully aware that it was Canadian police that had arrested the website owners and seized their servers. What we're all hoping is that above all, they're prosecuted under Candian laws which are still far less severe. The whole shitstorm is that we don't want OUR Canadians prosecuted under YOUR American laws. We don't want them prosecuted at all. But you know what I'm saying, right? These guys aren't crooks under our law. How could they be? They've been paying their taxes, they're law abiding citizens...


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5266184 - 02/05/06 01:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Why do they worry so much about people having a joint now and then.. People have smoked it for thousands of years why worry about things like a plant. The plant is more popular then the Politicians thats why they are trying to stop it

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
    #5266242 - 02/05/06 01:21 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

why does overgrow still pop up whenever i search something on google ?

i mean i wont click it, but it pops up, whats about this ?
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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
    #5266292 - 02/05/06 01:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Prisoner, Canadians cant buy hand guns from Americans anymore because there is a hand gun ban that suddenly stops hand guns from being in canada once they put out that law the hand guns all suddenly vanished and Criminals lined up to turn there guns in. **SARCASTIC JOKE***

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: ohmatic]
    #5266302 - 02/05/06 01:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Google is an indexing engine. The pages you find in Google were indexed days, weeks, sometimes months ago. The results are going to show up in google for several months to come, even if overgrow never goes online again.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
    #5266417 - 02/05/06 01:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I heard about this in one of my myspace forums [the dreaded cult... i know] and god was I infuriated. I still am. I'm trying t figure out something to do/ organize so that our community can fight this violations of rights. Its not i violation to talk about something! We aren't f***ing communists, here. What we see and talk about are NOT nessesarily what we do. The guy who was selling seeds I can understand, angry as I am at that. This, however, is total BS.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: bleedingsky99]
    #5266447 - 02/05/06 02:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

They were one the same server. Ever heard the hand of one is the hand of all?


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Anno]
    #5266453 - 02/05/06 02:08 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

no matter how safe a website like overgrow or shroomery is there is always a chance no matter how small that the government will raid it and seize the servers putting all the users ips and thus there addresses right in the cops hands. thats the chance we take for openly saying we do something illegal where anyone can see it there will always be some risks.but personally its a risk I'm willing to take

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: shroominghell]
    #5266492 - 02/05/06 02:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You could always not say you do something illegal too.

Leave it to growers who enjoy better laws in their country to post grows and such..


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: simtap]
    #5266548 - 02/05/06 02:47 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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simtap said:
Did these sites sell by creditcard? If so the cops now have the names and addresses of everyone who ordered from there. Assuming the cops do start raiding customers what offence have you commited by ordering from a site like this? Or is this offence only if you are caught in possession?




Nah, RC didn't allow credit card purchases on seeds (smart move). However, he did allow paypal payments on OG subscriptions. Hopefully the pigs don't get ahold of that info...


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5266557 - 02/05/06 02:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This is something I pulled off of the Google Cache posted in 2003 on Overgrow.com
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The following is a rough rant on Security and Overgrow.com. I need to get some more info from the feds and lawyers who deal specifically with Internet issues - this article will be much improved over time.

I have seen the same concern popping up again and again:
Is Overgrow safe? Can LEO get my IP?

Q: Is LEO actively trying to gather info on Overgrow members?
A: Probably. Does it much matter? Not really.

Be assured that the DEA, RCMP and various other agencies, have the time and money to hire some very intelligent people with almost infinite resources when it comes to hacking and Internet sleuthing in general. If they want your IP, with few exceptions, they will get it.

Q: "Does this put me at any kind of risk":?
A: I will say that you are 99% safe, even if they find out your ip and track you.

How can this be?

1. Hacking is illegal.
Courts will not tolerate police doing illegal things to gain evidence to be used in a trial proper. The reason that you see cases thrown out of court for search violations is often due to defense lawyers attacking and quashing a warrant.

However, if a cop taps your phone, searches your house or goes through your banking records with no warrant at all, then that is an even more egregious and illegal violation of basic rights and the evidence gained (and all subsequent evidence flowing from that) will never see the inside of a courtroom.

2. A warrant would be required to gain access to a server's records, (to gain useful information for) an investigation or prosecution. (I've got a funny feeling that should that happen here, we might hear about it.)

Ok, let's say the cops get a warrant somehow, (The possible grounds for the police to get a warrant for Overgrow in the first place are a mystery to me) and take Overgrow's servers apart, finding all our IPs, then what?

The police now have an IP. Whose IP? Apparently someone, somewhere, who has access to that computer with that IP has been claiming that they grow marijuana.

Which person? Is that person, who has been using that computer under an alias, reliable? Maybe it's a lot of bullshit boasting. And what about those pictures? Who do they belong to? Is it really that mysterious person's house (what house? - the house with the IP / ISP registration or is the grow somewhere else?)

....See where I'm going here?


Imagine if you were the cop showing up with a blank warrant before a judge - To Search: "mystery person" at "mystery location" for "fourth party, unconfirmed anonymous tip"

3. The information on the Overgrow server is effectively an anonymous tip since the source of the information (an unknown entity behind a keyboard at a particular IP) cannot be established to be credible or even properly known.

It was explained by both myself and our American legalists that anonymous tips are not enough for a warrant because the origin of the tip could not be established to be credible.

Even if the police magically obtain a warrant for Overgrow, they still have to get another warrant for you. There is no real possibility that they will get a warrant for YOU since they have no clue who YOU are or where your grow is.

There are also cross-jurisdictional issues here since this server is somewhere in Canada.

4. Now here's what the cops can do. Once they have gathered enough legitimate evidence that you are growing (in the real world) (Smell, hydro bills, pictures of you carrying christmas tree sized plants out your door) then they will come in and, with a warrant, seize your computer and use whatever they find on it in your prosecution. But then so what? By that point your fun is over anyway.

Police do illegal things all the time, my point is that it will not get them very far. You will have to have screwed up in the real world first.




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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5266563 - 02/05/06 02:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Anyways, I'm still shocked that OG is history. I was just thinking, "I wonder if <insert random fert> will work well on cannabis seeds? I'll just log onto OG and...OH WAIT. It's GONE..."

We can't let this happen again. OG had MANY years of creativity and info in it's database. I'm hoping that the Shroomery admins make a complete backup and have someone available to relocate it all to a brand new server...in the event that this place comes down...


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: browndustin]
    #5266675 - 02/05/06 03:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Regardless of U.S. influence, either the Canadian gov't or the citizens need to stand up for themselves. It's real easy to blame your southern neighbor, but does absolutely nothing towards helping matters in your own country.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Redstorm]
    #5266849 - 02/05/06 05:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i agree redstorm i couldent say it better myself i think blameing the u.s is just a scapegoat

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
    #5266931 - 02/05/06 05:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: sever]
    #5267151 - 02/05/06 07:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

No reasonable judge would allow information about someone's drug usage or dealing as national security intelligence. It just won't happen.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Redstorm]
    #5267777 - 02/05/06 10:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

u know many of those?
imo reasonable people know better then to become a judge...

btw:
how many friggin times do i have to warn you people?
i fucking toldya didnt i?

dont expect the situation to improve wile you sit there and do nothing.
how can we expect anything else when we fail to do so much as even voice our opposition?


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
    #5268063 - 02/05/06 11:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

is it possible to do a mass back up? something like the folding team? im not to server savy but it seems we should be able to each take on a bit of the server as a back up. i NEED the shroomery and am willing to take part in such a thing if its possible.
this topic is something that needs to be stickied in every part of this forum. our unknown science can not die. we've got to create, evolve and pass it on.
i would even like to see overgrow have their own section on our server, they are just as important as we are to the culture we represent.
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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5268144 - 02/06/06 12:11 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I do know many reasonable judges.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Redstorm]
    #5268470 - 02/06/06 03:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

No offence, but having OG apart of this server sounds incredibly(sp?) risky .. or just plain stupid!
I feel what your saying, and understand where your coming from.
But the minute they take a real stab at mushrooms, means the end of more then just a web site!
I for one would vote NO, for something like that.
I don't think we need to be drawing attention to ourselves at this point.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: kiss]
    #5268564 - 02/06/06 05:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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kiss said:
No offence, but having OG apart of this server sounds incredibly(sp?) risky .. or just plain stupid!
I feel what your saying, and understand where your coming from.
But the minute they take a real stab at mushrooms, means the end of more then just a web site!
I for one would vote NO, for something like that.
I don't think we need to be drawing attention to ourselves at this point.



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as sad as it is the OG is down, we DONT want to risk the shroomery to suit them,  we're a mycological site.. There are tons of cannabis sites to take over and/or share with perserving the OG legacy

And about the general paranoia this has caused us, yes its tragic, yes we should have been more careful and yes anyone thats been here before has seen similar issues that caused site wide panic .. This is the third MAJOR scare thats ive seen personally

One thing i can say about the admins here is... tho they dont make tons of moneys of us, they still run this as a business..  they are VERY professional when it comes to the legalities ( even tho in doing so they sometimes get a lot of flack from the members)..  they love the sites as much or more then we do,  and they are VERY intelligent people! They are ALWAYS looking out for our best interest...  something we need to remember when they lock a post because of content.. Or even before by not giving them a post that needs locked! :thumbdown:

we also need to understand... this board is NOT a private community. Its world wide.  To much info can very well be your downfall,  being too trusting with trading, posting too much personal info, showing those prime pics while setting on a full grow in process etc.

In 6 months the scare will be over and forgotten.. there will be a new group of newbies in here putting themselves and the site at risk, and until another tragedy nothing will be thought about it, BUT when another black cloud floats over us, we will be thinking " wow why in the hell did i post that, show that, tell that.

WISE UP NOW PEOPLE.

Again, its sad that OG is gone, same with the hive..  but im no grower and clandestine labs just isnt my scene ( tho i admit if legal i would have a couple nice white widow x stonehenge plants in my living room lol ),  but i am a mycologist, thats my passion ..  and I believe in protecting your own...  and i consider the Shroomery my home!


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5268770 - 02/06/06 08:27 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I see the downfall of Overgrow as a lesson imo. We all need to work together overcome this setback. the Canadian and American goverment are trying to get our panties in a bundle and scare us. I for one, will not let them fuck me with a rusty spoon while I sit back and take it.

In a few years Bush will be gone, hopfully we'll get a more left wing president in this country and shit will start to look up.


however, I am still laughing that an excuse such as this "drugs fund terrorism" thats just fucking hilarious. I mean, it could be true to some extent, but thats more or less the shittiest claim ever. just to scare patriotic americans even more. "oh no, if my son buys a dime bag, hes promoting Osama to perform another act of terrorism" thats rich. I'm LoLing for real.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: jben]
    #5268954 - 02/06/06 10:30 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

now that overgrow is down....what are some other good marijuana growing/info sites are there? thanks!

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: BLuEFroG]
    #5269067 - 02/06/06 11:18 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, let's say the cops get a warrant somehow, (The possible grounds for the police to get a warrant for Overgrow in the first place are a mystery to me) and take Overgrow's servers apart, finding all our IPs, then what?


Don't they have a bit more than our IP's tho? Can't they get hold of the paypal records of who bought seeds and track down your credit card?

Would that be enough to raid your house?

I can even imagine the cops offering the owners of these sites a deal, give us the details of who you sold to and we'll go easier on your sentencing. I remember when the research chemicals bust happened pondman got 410 years while Micheal Burton, the owner of American Research Chemicals, gave up the details of all his customers and only got 14 years.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: browndustin]
    #5269621 - 02/06/06 02:15 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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browndustin said:
Are you to say that America hasn't been the least bit influencial? We're certainly aware that it's Canadians that are doing this right now, but we've been pretty damn relaxed in the past. I mean, we've been taxing these seed businesses for the past 10 years with absolutely NO quarral up until now. America's getting tighter and tighter every day, with the exception of tolerence for medicinal application in a few states.




what I'm saying is, if canada suffers from legal envy then canadians need to
make a stand before it's too late, America can tighten up on the laws all they
want and that affects canada in what way? Canada is a soveriegn country, you
are not a territory/protectorate of the US, sure america can cut off trade
with canada but how badly is that going to affect your economy, an initial down
swing until you realize that trade with mexico involves a ship going out 12
miles, and then back in another 12... Canada can almost cripple the US, remeber
that shit the US has pushed through the canadian wilderness, something that
was probably protested for most of the 70's? The pipeline? What about our
access to alaska? Nancy Reagan started the campaign, now canadians needs to
reapply it for their own ends... JUST SAY NO to the USA.



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I'm just as disappointed as the next Canadian that we're losing this battle when we've come so far. Have you ever spoken with people like Jack Layton before? He wants to legalize marijuana or at least bring in more sane laws to the house. Lots of NDP leaders like my local MP have less harsh opinions on marijuana laws.




there are plenty of people here that want to do the same, cops, judges, senators
congressmen and the list keeps going, why do you think it hasnt happened yet?
it's not america that stops it in canada, it's canadian people and government
officials, under the current canadian laws posession of 30+ grams of marijuana
result in a criminal charge, under the new bill that amount will be reduced to
a mere 15 grams... canada is moving backwards! obviously lawmakers like
Jack Layton arent doing much to stop it if the penalties are becoming stiffer


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I don't know why but I'm sensing a lot of resentment in your posts? We're fully aware that it was Canadian police that had arrested the website owners and seized their servers. What we're all hoping is that above all, they're prosecuted under Candian laws which are still far less severe. The whole shitstorm is that we don't want OUR Canadians prosecuted under YOUR American laws. We don't want them prosecuted at all. But you know what I'm saying, right? These guys aren't crooks under our law. How could they be? They've been paying their taxes, they're law abiding citizens...




according to canadian laws, all parts of the the plant is illegal that includes
seeds, certainly they are not crooks but they are criminals under canadian law
or else the charges couldnt be levied against them in canada, a common
misconception of canadians is that our laws are more harsh, they're virtualy the
same and in some cases more severe, did you know that if you are caught
importing or exporting illegal drugs to/from canada you very well could serve
life in prison? ( link- cfdp.ca/law.htm)

full text of the current canadian drug laws
laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-38.8/index.html

the US drug laws
usdoj.gov/dea/agency/csa.htm

stop fooling yourselves, we're both in the same boat flying different flags at each end.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5269632 - 02/06/06 02:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Nah, RC didn't allow credit card purchases on seeds (smart move). However, he did allow paypal payments on OG subscriptions. Hopefully the pigs don't get ahold of that info...





paypal/ebay volunteers info to the police

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5270576 - 02/06/06 05:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I still disagree with most of that for many different reasons. But I don't wanna toss opinions back and fourth cause I don't want anything to get heated. The one thing I will say is that America, or the DEA rather, is TOTALLY, 100% trying to force their laws/morals/bs onto Canadians. I was at a rally where John Walters and Karen Tandy showed up and sputtered bs for what seemed like hours. They constantly make threats about cutting off our trades and leaving Canada in the stone age. I can't beleive that this stuff flies. Then again, both Americans and Canadians hate the DEA sooooo.....

:bongload:

I think we were definitely headed in the right direction. I know that morally and socially, marijuana's far more accepted with each and every day. I don't know anyone who really has a quarrel with weed anyways? Are there any left in Canada? Apparently so... and it's our fucking RCMP. It shouldn't have come as a surprise. :frown:


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: browndustin]
    #5271004 - 02/06/06 07:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

alright this definitly sux. we just try to live our lives in peace and knowledge, and these ignorant fucks strike at our peaceful community agian. I'm seriously moving to the Rockies when I graduate College. start a rebellion, offensive . we seriously have to start fighting this pricks.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: browndustin]
    #5271082 - 02/06/06 07:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well i have been thinking about it for a while now and basically this pushed me over the edge. I am very outspoken about pot use but never thought about stepping up and doing something. I didn't like my previous major and have been thinking about political science. Well i am deffinately going into that field now and im gonna go fight the good war. I am just glad i am still at an age where i can step up and fight for my future.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
    #5271375 - 02/06/06 09:07 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Canada has less free speech than America.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: browndustin]
    #5271511 - 02/06/06 09:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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browndustin said:
I still disagree with most of that for many different reasons. But I don't wanna toss opinions back and fourth cause I don't want anything to get heated. The one thing I will say is that America, or the DEA rather, is TOTALLY, 100% trying to force their laws/morals/bs onto Canadians. I was at a rally where John Walters and Karen Tandy showed up and sputtered bs for what seemed like hours. They constantly make threats about cutting off our trades and leaving Canada in the stone age. I can't beleive that this stuff flies. Then again, both Americans and Canadians hate the DEA sooooo.....

:bongload:

I think we were definitely headed in the right direction. I know that morally and socially, marijuana's far more accepted with each and every day. I don't know anyone who really has a quarrel with weed anyways? Are there any left in Canada? Apparently so... and it's our fucking RCMP. It shouldn't have come as a surprise. :frown:




Perhaps you should take responsibility for your own government and attempt to change it instead of bitching about the U.S.'s influence.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: gourmetgrower]
    #5272256 - 02/07/06 02:56 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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gourmetgrower said:
What a month -- first Winchester Arms goes out of business, then Overgrow! All the monoliths of American Culture are falling!!!

Walgreens will be the next to go.




I think that Winchester is just closing one of their large plants and ceasing the production of three rifles. I just saw something about it at Ye Olde Store O' Projectiles today.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Redstorm]
    #5272339 - 02/07/06 05:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Redstorm said:
Quote:

browndustin said:
I still disagree with most of that for many different reasons. But I don't wanna toss opinions back and fourth cause I don't want anything to get heated. The one thing I will say is that America, or the DEA rather, is TOTALLY, 100% trying to force their laws/morals/bs onto Canadians. I was at a rally where John Walters and Karen Tandy showed up and sputtered bs for what seemed like hours. They constantly make threats about cutting off our trades and leaving Canada in the stone age. I can't beleive that this stuff flies. Then again, both Americans and Canadians hate the DEA sooooo.....

:bongload:

I think we were definitely headed in the right direction. I know that morally and socially, marijuana's far more accepted with each and every day. I don't know anyone who really has a quarrel with weed anyways? Are there any left in Canada? Apparently so... and it's our fucking RCMP. It shouldn't have come as a surprise. :frown:




Perhaps you should take responsibility for your own government and attempt to change it instead of bitching about the U.S.'s influence.




This is the Canadian mentatility? I lived in Canada for 2 years of my young adult life?I was born in Switzerland so you could consider myself a non-biased party when it comes to this issue.  Where are the servers located for the Shroomery---GangaTalk, DMT lycelium etc?  If all the domestic drug-related servers were seized and then the Canadian websites shortly followed, I might consider this argument?This  type of thing (going after forums) would never transpire in the U.S. unless there was some type of terror network involvement.  Whether or not US is trying to "force" the laws upon Canada, Walters and Kandy dont have any authority over international trade relations---Im not going to accept the arguement that Canada was stupid eneough to buy into that bullshit....Lets stop a Billion dollar trade relationship because of some pro MJ rally's.         

If the US did ?influence? Canadian officials to the point where they would manipulate legislation, they I would consider Canada a very weak society?I however know this is not true because Canadians make certain they state there ?Independence.?  We don?t like to be compared to the French and absolutely hate to be compared to Americans. 

  Busts happen quite a bit in Canada, its just you don?t hear about them like you do with the US?The Media craves salacious stories and Death>drugs usually fits that criteria.  I know Freedom of Speech is extremely suppressed there?I wouldn?t know if the govt has a hand in censoring certain editorials but I know there isn?t a strong 2-sided outspoken voice like the stuff here.           

The US would detest Canada for legalizing Mariguana because there would be no way of monitoring the border for black market traffic---MJ is already a huge agricultural export in Alberta/the west?if anything, they would be intrigued by the thought of underground sales to the US?but, the reasons behind not legalizing has very little to do with American authority?we don?t have Jurisdiction there and Canada makes it very clear that our laws are inconsequential.  Vancouver is about as different from Montreal as San Francisco is from the bible belt, espeically when we're talking about Mediniceal use. 
     
Why isnt anything good about Canada credited towards the US?---no thats all the Canadaians...American influence can only be negative. US drug policy sux I agree, but atleast I can say the Americans are the ones to blame for electing anti-drug activists instead of falling back on the possuble influence of some other govt. 

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #5272740 - 02/07/06 09:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I don't agree with a lot of laws in the US. I REALLY don't agree with our foreign policy. I also don't think the populace of the states is accurately represented by our laws. I believe capitalism is our only creed, and money is the end-all-be-all of a vast majority of the shitty laws and tactics we employ. In the US, money makes the world go 'round, not the will of the people. We are bought and traded every day to the highest bidders. Until there's a popular movement with enormous financial backing, nothing will come of the rhetoric we speak.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: mediman0078]
    #5272854 - 02/07/06 10:27 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't agree with a lot of laws in the US. I REALLY don't agree with our foreign policy. I also don't think the populace of the states is accurately represented by our laws. I believe capitalism is our only creed, and money is the end-all-be-all of a vast majority of the shitty laws and tactics we employ. In the US, money makes the world go 'round, not the will of the people. We are bought and traded every day to the highest bidders. Until there's a popular movement with enormous financial backing, nothing will come of the rhetoric we speak.




You posted this rant in the wrong thread....this "capatalism rules the world" would be more fit in a FDA conspiracy pharmacutical topic.
Whether or not the War on drugs is vindicate...the cause is certainly not greed. The Tabacco, alcohol and pharmacutical trade already yields billions a year in revenue...legalizing additional drugs would do no thes than expand the economy of this so called big business. The US is a democratic state and the people in this forum are speaking on behalf of a minority. The money govt would save from playing down the war on drugs and not needing to support thousands in jail cells on drug related charges alone would be eneough to persuade money hungry politicians. The reason why MJ and psychedelics are not legal is a combination of conventionalism and ignorance...there is no mal-intent with this area of policy especially none capitally influenced.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5273803 - 02/07/06 02:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Lunatik said:
Nah, RC didn't allow credit card purchases on seeds (smart move). However, he did allow paypal payments on OG subscriptions. Hopefully the pigs don't get ahold of that info...





paypal/ebay volunteers info to the police




Yeah, that's why I'm hoping the authorities don't wind up with that info.
However, I don't think that OG had too many subscribers.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Anonymous]
    #5273935 - 02/07/06 03:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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paradis said:
Canada has less free speech than America.




Right...
Go anywhere in Canada, and insult the first 10 people you see.
Now go to Texas.

I hope you prefer bullets to fists.




The fact is, Bush is probably the worst enemy of free speech and information since Hitler... or at least Stalin... his national ideology- and economy- is fueled by propaganda suggesting we kill, maim, sanction, and otherwise 'bring to justice' many of the poorest people in the world.


Why terrorists do terrorists exist? Is it because other cultures believe in evil and indoctrinate their people into this belief?

Doubtful. Such a culture would destroy itself in a fit of hatred and anger.


In reality, the war on terror is a war on dissenters of the American global economy. These people fight with bombs and airplanes because they cannot usually afford conveniences such as cruise missiles and sponsored dictators.


Are drugs used to fund the activities of these people?
Probably sometimes. The fact is anyone threatening the Americans in any way can probably be proven to have links with a terrorist organization, if is in the interest of the American government.


The sad truth is the American majority is more comfortable sitting in an SUV being fed bullshit, than working hard for something resembling real freedom.


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    #5273969 - 02/07/06 03:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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OrizonsHorizon said:

Whether or not the War on drugs is vindicate...the cause is certainly not greed. The Tabacco, alcohol and pharmacutical trade already yields billions a year in revenue...legalizing additional drugs would do no thes than expand the economy of this so called big business.







Please explain to me an economically viable method of inciting a paradigm shift regarding psychedelics while maintaining a conservative death grip over your economy and media.

(Oh right, there isn't one...)


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: browndustin]
    #5273977 - 02/07/06 03:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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the DEA rather, is TOTALLY, 100% trying to force their laws/morals/bs onto Canadians. They constantly make threats about cutting off our trades and leaving Canada in the stone age. I can't beleive that this stuff flies.





it flies because canada allows it to and yes, the DEA does try and impose it's
shit on canada and in case you havent noticed, they do it to the rest of the world
as well, whats the worst that could happen if canada cut ties with the US?
you buy your american goods the same places that the US does, mexico, malasia and china

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    #5273991 - 02/07/06 04:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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You posted this rant in the wrong thread....this "capatalism rules the world" would be more fit in a FDA conspiracy pharmacutical topic.




what do you think the drug war boils down to?

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5274113 - 02/07/06 04:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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paradis said:
Canada has less free speech than America.




Right...
Go anywhere in Canada, and insult the first 10 people you see.
Now go to Texas.

I hope you prefer bullets to fists.




The fact is, Bush is probably the worst enemy of free speech and information since Hitler... or at least Stalin... his national ideology- and economy- is fueled by propaganda suggesting we kill, maim, sanction, and otherwise 'bring to justice' many of the poorest people in the world.




in the US we have a small selection of banned books, 'how to' manuals on
committing murder (doesnt apply to works of fiction) and a handful of
books containing blueprints for building bombs and other weaponry. Wheres
the list of canadian books that are illegal? I believe it was posted in this
tread, we can have books that call for seditious and treasonous acts, canada cannot.

Calling people names or general insults arent what free speech is about, it;s
about being able to speak out against government, obviously if it meant anything
else there wouldnt be slander and libel suits filed every day. It's the ability
to keep websites like this one running without worry of seizure but government
agents as long as we function witin the law

US law is pretty damned specific both regarding acts and penalties, one bill
pushed through congress may cover a dozen different laws, each law may require
8 pages to explain along with definitions, foot notes, margin notes, side notes
and the usual references to gay porn, a single bill can be as long as 200 pages
which is what happens when you have attorneys elected to public office as
opposed to moose jockeys and seal clubbers, it not just because of our love
for killing defenseless trees, this is also one of the reasons that many
americans cant and dont keep up with current legislation

canadian laws are less specific, leaving more loopholes and more for a judge to
interpret as he sees fit.



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The sad truth is the American majority is more comfortable sitting in an SUV being fed bullshit, than working hard for something resembling real freedom.




substitute SUV with economy car with snow tires and you've just discribed canada
as well. Honestly there is no difference between our countries, thousands
of blinded people that buy into the propaganda that our governments spew, the
biggest part of the bullshit being the freedoms we 'enjoy'.

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    #5274240 - 02/07/06 05:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

canada, eh? :P


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: tps]
    #5274248 - 02/07/06 05:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

there are mass gatherings of members and admins from og going on at icmag.com
all questions about security and r.c. are being updated constantly
we are trying to also reconstruct the growfaqs and strain guide as well..

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    #5274261 - 02/07/06 05:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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substitute SUV with economy car with snow tires and you've just discribed canada
as well. Honestly there is no difference between our countries, thousands
of blinded people that buy into the propaganda that our governments spew, the
biggest part of the bullshit being the freedoms we 'enjoy'.




I'm afraid I have to disagree.
As much as our countries look like brothers in their actions, it is undeniable that they are different. Canada is the little brother.

We clearly do share much of our way of life with our neighbors here in North America. However this is the American way of life we are living together. Even the briefest glance into the legal and economic structures of our countries will allow you to see this. Canada is a country torn between European evolution and American money.

And although Canada is beginning to share in the political conservatism which has brought the American powers so much control, much of our populous is still struggling to fight it off. Our leaders may be gazing down the same slippery slope of greed and self-righteousness that Bush is, but where we are still managing to hold Harper's reigns, Bush has already plunged headlong downward.


Canadian mimicry may be just as much a fact of life as American indifference and extortion, but none of these things are irreversible. When the oil is gone, and the war comes, all who stand in the name of equality and free expression will be my brothers regardless of border or belief.


In the meantime, I suggest each and every person think very hard about whether they truly believe in the system in which they live, and how they can change it if they do not. None of us need sell our souls to what we know is wrong, simply because it is easy.


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    #5274332 - 02/07/06 05:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

paradis said:
Canada has less free speech than America.




Right...
Go anywhere in Canada, and insult the first 10 people you see.
Now go to Texas.

I hope you prefer bullets to fists.




The fact is, Bush is probably the worst enemy of free speech and information since Hitler... or at least Stalin... his national ideology- and economy- is fueled by propaganda suggesting we kill, maim, sanction, and otherwise 'bring to justice' many of the poorest people in the world.


Why terrorists do terrorists exist? Is it because other cultures believe in evil and indoctrinate their people into this belief?

Doubtful. Such a culture would destroy itself in a fit of hatred and anger.


In reality, the war on terror is a war on dissenters of the American global economy. These people fight with bombs and airplanes because they cannot usually afford conveniences such as cruise missiles and sponsored dictators.


Are drugs used to fund the activities of these people?
Probably sometimes. The fact is anyone threatening the Americans in any way can probably be proven to have links with a terrorist organization, if is in the interest of the American government.


The sad truth is the American majority is more comfortable sitting in an SUV being fed bullshit, than working hard for something resembling real freedom.




Your siteing individual geographical responses as basis for freedom of speech? I could frolic through the East village with cowboyboots and a rainbow cape and probably be OK?.I wonder what woukld happen if I did the same in queens at midnight. I could walk in a country Whiskey bar in Alabama flashing confederate flags?.I wonder if Id be so welcome in a Bronx HipHOp club. Freedom of Speech is not dictated by vigialante entities?its dictated by the govt and powered by the Media. The Toronto Press (which is all I can speak for) is very one sided....all the journalists pretty much agree and if they don?t, they never debate the points. Most people called it ?layed back?---I call it passive confinement. IT seems like the govt has a hand in what?s publicized over there?or atleast everybody?s just kind of singing the same tune?Here we got a overpowering Liberal press that bashes Bush every chance they get. It?s obvious there are 2 separate sides with American media.

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Whether or not the War on drugs is vindicate...the cause is certainly not greed. The Tabacco, alcohol and pharmacutical trade already yields billions a year in revenue...legalizing additional drugs would do no thes than expand the economy of this so called big business.







Please explain to me an economically viable method of inciting a paradigm shift regarding psychedelics while maintaining a conservative death grip over your economy and media.

(Oh right, there isn't one...)




So you want me to explain a technique where psychedelics can be intricated into our society without the conservatives losing this called propaganda smoke screen they have on the Americans. Wow that?s pretty deep man. One of the stongests arguments Mariguana activists make is that the people whom wish to smoke Cannibis do so despite of it?s legal status. Legalizing would make it safer to obtain and less expensive but very few would become involved whom wouldn?t of chosen to do so under normal/illegal circumstances. The same applies for Mushrooms and LSD I would say?thos whom wish to indulge will seek the drug no matter what the legal circumstances. It?s kind of hard to give a good example?oh wait, I could say the Netherlands but they are one of the US?s strongest allies with the War on Terror. Doenst look like the mushrooms are really "enlightening" them the way youd think.

---My point here is that the War on Drugs is not motivated by money---if you want to tie in some abstract connection boucing 1 subjest to the next, I can sit here and have half ass pinky revelations all day. THe Business gains set aside, 3.5 billion was spent just on fighting Mariguana last year?.plus whatever the 700,000 arrests?jail accomdations the govt pays etc... I can give many examples of money based scandals?but this one is really indisputable.

I don?t want to spin this off into some shitmatch polital debate---you obviously found a niche to slip in some non-related predisposed views about the US but I would advise you from not generalizing with the word ?Americans? when identifying with such zealous descriptions.

The ACLU and far-left would be all over this shit if it happend in the US---Im saying the Canadians "specifially the ones in this thread" need to suck it up and stop pointing the fingure at the US for this bullshit...theres not much coverage on this in the News becauuse, well you know why, so until proven otherwise---this is strictly a Canadian affair.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #5274916 - 02/07/06 07:54 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If they were to take down shroomery.org, would this affect the irc server also?

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    #5275239 - 02/07/06 09:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

How did we NOT KNOW this WOULD happen after they popped Marc Emery and his 2 cosest associates/biz partners. Shut down Emery seeds and C.C., but not ONLY that-- this showed us that that the US gov't can extradite citizens of ANOTHER COUNTRY into the US to suffer the wrath of our judicial system.

BECAUSE THEY HAD SERVED AS A THREAT TO THE US AND THE DRUG WAR.

FUCK THIS SHIT. WHERE IS THE HOPE??? SERIOUSLY.
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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: krill]
    #5275478 - 02/07/06 09:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This is really bad news! Are we ever going to be free from this foul-smeling, money-grabbing pigs!
Now, I was wondering, does the shroomery keep any IP logs?, If it does we might have to find a way to use fake IPs


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: CapCaptain]
    #5276352 - 02/08/06 06:01 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If you have a book like mine, that you made from the Shroomery.  :mushroom2: Then you would be in the, the, the, the, the couple of hundreds of pages.  I have what my wife calls the    :heart: "Red Book"  :heart:  and it is about a foot thick with approx.  817 pages (Front and Back) and I am adding pages to it all the time.  :syringe:Took close to a year to make the    :heart:"Red Book".  :heart: And it would break my heart if, all that information disappeared from the internet.  :mad:  But the point being, I thought about this kind of thing a long time ago, and as the shrooms always say: Always be prepared.  (Or is that the boy scouts?) :confused:  :heartpump::heartpump::heartpump:  Anyways the Shroomery is not gone, So don't give it premature death. :heartpump::heartpump::heartpump:


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Keen_Eyed]
    #5277727 - 02/08/06 01:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I just tried to go to all of those sites and I live in America. The page cannot be displayed by any of them.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #5278334 - 02/08/06 04:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Your siteing individual geographical responses as basis for freedom of speech?





Siteing is not a word.

I am giving a single, very brief, example of circumstance where a generalization is erroneous. I did not say Canada had more free speech, only that it did not have less...

Clearly my original statement contains only a very small part of the message in that reply regardless...

My qualm is with the current- completely unfit and inappropriate- leader of the enormously powerful nation to my immediate south, and his impact on free speech... Where you can frolic in your rainbow cape does not concern me...


The Toronto press has not yet been responsible for the killing of a single individual. The American leader has the blood of tens of thousands on his hands. I would suggest to you that Bush's form of silencing his political opposition is slightly more severe than not considering their points.

I have never been confined for my political views, passively or otherwise. I do not believe any of the illegal prisoners of war held by Bush would make the same statement.


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So you want me to explain a technique where psychedelics can be intricated into our society without the conservatives losing this called propaganda smoke screen they have on the Americans. Wow that?s pretty deep man.





Intricated is not a word, nor would it have a context in that sentence if it were...

This statement is not deep, nor is it anything other than obvious. Political leadership would lose their hard-core right wing support the second they suggested people open their minds to things as radical as psychedelics. Fact.
That is where a VAST amount of the money exists in America. Fact.



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---My point here is that the War on Drugs is not motivated by money---if you want to tie in some abstract connection boucing 1 subjest to the next, I can sit here and have half ass pinky revelations all day. THe Business gains set aside, 3.5 billion was spent just on fighting Mariguana last year?.plus whatever the 700,000 arrests?jail accomdations the govt pays etc... I can give many examples of money based scandals?but this one is really indisputable.





Subjest is not a word. Mariguana isn't either.

Please try and realize I am not making generalizations, I am making statements about specific groups and individuals. Nor am I changing my subject.

My viewpoint is that this incident should be noticed, and should not be ignored or shrugged off as 'attempted good intentions'. These wars against anonymous enemies Bush (Harper as well) is fighting are extremely dangerous things. When laws are created under the guise of media propagated fear, people often forget what freedom means, and tolerate unjust acts simply because they believe it 'must be done'.
This is how Nazi Germany came into being, this is not a joke, nor is it a personal attack, merely a fact.

My intention is not to shift blame from Canada, on the contrary. I am trying to suggesting that each and every person involved in any way in either the war on drugs, or the war on terror, is partially responsible.

You can choose excuses, or you can choose action. Either way your righteousness will not save you when it all falls apart. If you want injustices such as persecution for personal chemical choices to end, do something about it.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5279121 - 02/08/06 08:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It?s kinda petty to ?cite? me on grammatical errors---if you understood what I was saying, then my post served it?s purpose---nevertheless, I was mistaken and retract whatever was mentioned

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I am giving a single, very brief, example of circumstance where a generalization is erroneous. I did not say Canada had more free speech, only that it did not have less...

Clearly my original statement contains only a very small part of the message in that reply regardless...

My qualm is with the current- completely unfit and inappropriate- leader of the enormously powerful nation to my immediate south, and his impact on free speech... Where you can frolic in your rainbow cape does not concern me...


The Toronto press has not yet been responsible for the killing of a single individual. The American leader has the blood of tens of thousands on his hands. I would suggest to you that Bush's form of silencing his political opposition is slightly more severe than not considering their points.

I have never been confined for my political views, passively or otherwise. I do not believe any of the illegal prisoners of war held by Bush would make the same statement.




I understand the whole Texas thing was just an exaggerated generalization but that?s the only specific testimony? Conjecture? you stated which implies the US impedes upon freedom of Speech. You think movies like Fahrenheit 911 would fly in the Hitler/Stalin regime? I don?t see American media restricted to Right Wing control. (its actually the Left-Wing/Hollywood that dominates network television) Please Specify what element of Bush?s political opponents (Democrats) have been silenced. Unless you wnt to get into some other conspiracy ideology nothing here holds any water when speaking to anybody but yourself.

So as long as the Toronto Press hasn?t killed anybody, then they stand for the Freedom of Speech just as much as anybody else. I understand your qualm with Bush and Im not trying to persuade you of your political convictions but you are suggesting that because you think he is guilty of one thing, then he and America must be guilty of everything else in the book. Im not gonna be put into the position where I have to defend the War on Terror to get this topic back on track.

My rainbow cape analogy was meant to put your Texas>Canada into perspective---even if Texans do pull out shot guns when they are insulted, this is not an accurate representation of an obstruction to ?freedom of Speech?

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This statement is not deep, nor is it anything other than obvious. Political leadership would lose their hard-core right wing support the second they suggested people open their minds to things as radical as psychedelics. Fact.
That is where a VAST amount of the money exists in America. Fact.




I might be fancied to kick this around in the Philosophy forum?but I cant get past the concept that people cant tell the difference between right and wrong---good and bad without being under the influence of a psychedelic. So the tables would completely turn if the whole world started to become interested in hallucinogens? They would free themselves of this mind control the republic has cast upon them and realize this is murder we're committing>>The hippy generation is the only cohort that has ever existed in a time when psychedelics were Pop culture?.that generation is now running this ?propaganda machine? on capital hill. I could use that to support a theory opposite of yours....but I know this correlation is just coincidence.
Fact?not quite
Politacal Leadership would lose there hard-core right and left wing support if they openly suggested people engage in psychedelics. Its only the Extremely Far Left or some other green party Liberal that would benefit from such a proposal and since we live in a democracy, those guys never make it in the top 5.

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My viewpoint is that this incident should be noticed, and should not be ignored or shrugged off as 'attempted good intentions'. These wars against anonymous enemies Bush (Harper as well) is fighting are extremely dangerous things. When laws are created under the guise of media propagated fear, people often forget what freedom means, and tolerate unjust acts simply because they believe it 'must be done'.
This is how Nazi Germany came into being, this is not a joke, nor is it a personal attack, merely a fact.
My intention is not to shift blame from Canada, on the contrary. I am trying to suggesting that each and every person involved in any way in either the war on drugs, or the war on terror, is partially responsible.

You can choose excuses, or you can choose action. Either way your righteousness will not save you when it all falls apart. If you want injustices such as persecution for personal chemical choices to end, do something about it.




I am not trying to shrug off the war on Drugs?this is the Shroomery for shit-sake, your singing to the choir?nobody here supports what it stands for but just because it isnt vindicate doesn?t mean there are Capitalistic motives involved with its existence?which is what I was gearing that specific response too. IF you think there is, then mention them---don?t go off on some Bush is the devil rant. America is just as split when it comes to politics as Canada is. The DEA existed longbefore Bush ever came into power even if they did have a hand in this Overgrow incedent.
Go preach that ?choose action? ?not excuses? to the Canadians in this thread that failed to mention anything other than American influence for the injustice done too these websites. An injustice that is protected by the First Amendment here in the States.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5279271 - 02/08/06 08:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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substitute SUV with economy car with snow tires and you've just discribed canada
as well. Honestly there is no difference between our countries, thousands
of blinded people that buy into the propaganda that our governments spew, the
biggest part of the bullshit being the freedoms we 'enjoy'.




I'm afraid I have to disagree.
As much as our countries look like brothers in their actions, it is undeniable that they are different. Canada is the little brother.




and like any little brother, they try to emulate the bigger brother, I had a
discussion in the pub in which a canadian stated the reason he hated america is
because of the way we keep our people in poverty and our high homeless rates,
the statistics for 2 similar cities, Atlanta and Toronto, bot having about
5 million people shows atlanta with about 20,000 homeless and toronto with
35,000, it also showed toronto with more than double the unemployement rate

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We clearly do share much of our way of life with our neighbors here in North America. However this is the American way of life we are living together. Even the briefest glance into the legal and economic structures of our countries will allow you to see this. Canada is a country torn between European evolution and American money.




maybe you and many other should actualy read about whats going on in canada as
well as whats happening in america, like it or not, canada is in the beginnings
of a drug war, arrests for marijuana and other drugs are on the rise, the recent
events with OG and the seed sellers also demonstrate this, be a good canadian
and deny it some more anything else would be seditious, the people in the US
closed their eyes to events like these, look where we are now.

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And although Canada is beginning to share in the political conservatism which has brought the American powers so much control, much of our populous is still struggling to fight it off. Our leaders may be gazing down the same slippery slope of greed and self-righteousness that Bush is, but where we are still managing to hold Harper's reigns, Bush has already plunged headlong downward.




america thinks they have control as well, we believed that our votes counted,
if 90% of canada is in support of decriminalization and reform, why then is
marijuana not legal in canada? Why are the laws getting tougher and penalties
actualy getting harsher?


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Canadian mimicry may be just as much a fact of life as American indifference and extortion, but none of these things are irreversible. When the oil is gone, and the war comes, all who stand in the name of equality and free expression will be my brothers regardless of border or belief.




this statement nullifies your first in this post, Canada is in fact America jr.
When the oil is gone and the war comes, what will canadians use to defend
themselves against those that dont stand for equality and free expression,
the people have allowed the tools of freedom to be stripped from your hands
under the guise of saftey of the few and now that those tools are gone, even
more is being stripped away from canada and america is still being blamed.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5279335 - 02/08/06 09:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's time you start worrying about your own country's problem instead of bitching about the U.S.'s.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Redstorm]
    #5279926 - 02/08/06 10:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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I think it's time you start worrying about your own country's problem instead of bitching about the U.S.'s.




from what I've read and heard in the news, online and from people on the street,
america is canadas problem, even the police in canada dont take responsibility
for actions committed by canadian, they're also blamed on americans, the
politicians obviously dont either as observed with the marc emory arrest

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5281608 - 02/09/06 12:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=8459

have just talked to RC - Servers are OK, RC is not...
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I have just talked on the phone with RC. I know RC, so lets not have any 'was it really him' type responses.

RC shut down the services on the servers - at this point in time the servers have NOT been seized. It appears that OG and CW info is safe and intact - woo hoo!

RC was arrested, and charged concerning the import/export of cannabis seeds - no other charges at this time.

RC has been home for a bit, but is prohibited from using the internet.

RC approved me posting this.

Finally, RC will be issuing a statement through a third party as soon as he has the chance, letting the community know what the situation is.

Could everyone now stop all the hand-wringing, and pull together.


Our thoughts are with you RC - we all wish you the best of luck, and want you to know the community will be here for you.

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"...Just got off the dog and bone (phone) with RC.....He sounds O.K.....and happy to be free after being locked up for well over a week.....He asked me to convey his best wishes to you all......and I suggested that I start a fund for his legal defence......He said that he first had to hear from his lawyer if it was cool to be a benificiary of such a fund......"

This was posted by Gypsy who is now conducting an auction to help RC as all his assets are frozen.




http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=21351

RC has been released

I've heard from our contact that RC has been released
I should have a statement for you soon but I can confirm for now that the servers
were turned off by RC so theres no IP log's
recent report's on Cannabis Culture that RC had fled are totally wrong

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5281929 - 02/09/06 01:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Many people are saying the above report is bogus. Obviously, I dont know any more than anyone else...

But they say there is no arrest record, no bail hearing, nothing. People in contact with the news media up there say they havent heard a whiff of any arrest or anything like that.


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    #5282444 - 02/09/06 04:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It certainly could be. But would it be any more/less confirmed than the original posts?


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    #5284213 - 02/09/06 11:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

On site grow... they pulled a PF, but with some coke too.


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    #5285305 - 02/10/06 10:19 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So who'se spreading the disinformation that the ip logs wern't seized? Are the cops trying to put everyone at their ease before raiding?

Charged: 2) Richard BOUCHER
Date of Birth: 31 May 1956
Address: 316 Prince Street
Hearst, ON

Offences: 1 count of Production of a Controlled Substance ? Cannabis Marijuana - Section 7(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
1 count of Possession of a Controlled Substance ? Cannabis Marijuana - for the Purpose of Trafficking - Section 5(2) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.


So this guy had a grow operation going at the same time he was advertising seeds for sale? What the fuck?


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    #5285760 - 02/10/06 12:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I totally forgot. This is totally unrelated to RC's bust.
This was made perfectly clear at the original time of Overgrow going down. It was very specifically stated that the Hearst bust is unrelated.

Slipped my mind. Oops.


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    #5285851 - 02/10/06 01:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

As Geo has said here, there is no need to panic.

We have for years been actively planning for problems such as this, mind you I still think that RC is being charged for other things, that his website is not comprimised.

IF the website itself was doing something illegal according to laws on the books now, it would be news to the legal community. There are organizations dedicated to protecting such websites, full of brilliant lawyers who are keeping watch so to speak on the legal front of the war on drugs.

Not to say you shouldn't take precautions, my god you should be taking precautions without these kinds of stories to inspire you. Never get into a hobby like this without FULLY realizing the risk you take. Take precautions, but realize that sometimes even the most careful will be arrested.

Weigh out the risk vs the reward.

I can only just repeat what Geo said already that we are doing our due diligance with protecting this website, legal counsel is avaible to us and we use it.

I wish all the best for Richard, he's a nice guy and now I know why I haven't gotten any email replies in the last week :wink:

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Thor]
    #5286005 - 02/10/06 01:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, i've read ever post in here and I must say it's quite amazing, all of it. I true eye opener to say the least.


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    #5286122 - 02/10/06 02:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Got to get Jiggy with it, yeah that's it!


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: sunshine]
    #5286325 - 02/10/06 03:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

hmmmmmm....

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    #5286958 - 02/10/06 07:07 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

veiw the stickys at icmag hopefully soon we'll get some truth.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: creamrocks]
    #5287029 - 02/10/06 07:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

seems emery keeps making rc come off as a bad guy? i dunno
too much misinfomation, im going to bed.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=21578

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Thor]
    #5288031 - 02/11/06 07:28 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

As Geo has said here, there is no need to panic.


Having said that I think it would be wise to make it clear in the grow forums and other boards that it's perfectly possible for the cops to take the servers, track you down through your ip log, pay you a visit and use your posts at the shroomery if any charges are brought against you.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: simtap]
    #5289132 - 02/11/06 04:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Doesn't that go without saying? Self-responsibility isn't something that ought to be flipped on and off depending upon whether or not one is in the virtual world. If you are involved with a criminal activity, you always need to take precaution to maximize your safety -- online or otherwise. We don't want to plaster such paranoia all over the boards, but we do try to make it clear within our various public documents and stickies, including our new user agreement:
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    #5289502 - 02/11/06 05:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i wouldn't stress it, even if they did pull names and ip's off his comp. its not like they are going to send out search warrants for literaly thousands of people.


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    #5290330 - 02/11/06 10:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

wouldn't stress it, even if they did pull names and ip's off his comp. its not like they are going to send out search warrants for literaly thousands of people.


Wouldn't they just pick the people who ordered the most seeds or posted the biggest grow logs?

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    #5292278 - 02/12/06 06:26 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It's not fiar damn it!! it's just not fair!!!


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    #5293897 - 02/13/06 06:52 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This is a damn shame!

I will love everything on god's green earth end of story, Im aware of stores that sell equipment/clones/seeds to the general public but nothing happens to them but the RCMP will go pick on websites?

They are trying to silence the freedom of information, shame on them.


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    #5294114 - 02/13/06 09:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)



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    #5294146 - 02/13/06 09:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

^^Oh dear

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    #5294173 - 02/13/06 09:51 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=41101#41101

Posted from Mongoose @ >>>>>>>>>

RC is working with the Authorities. OG and CW IP's were logged.

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About 48 hours ago I broke my 26 month long self-imposed exile from the internet to post the results of my converstations with RC. Nobody else seemed to the the will or ability to track down and talk to him, and my concerns for the industry and the people I love who participate in it out weighed the enjoyment of my recent relative obscurity. I was sure any calls were going to be monitored, but hey - it's not like my name has never been associated with cannabis seeds, eh. So I called RC. Twice.

The first call was to get his story of what happened to him, and the servers for Overgrow and Cannabis World, and to offer support, financial and otherwise. I had been in contact with a few friends and business acquaintances, and had passed the virtual hat around - to the tune of well over US$50,000 pledged to assist RC, with no strings attached. RC said he would have to talk to his lawyers first for instructions on handling such a large donation. OK, fine. RC has all my contact numbers (always had, btw) and I expected a call the next day with instructions from his lawyers.

After my first call to him, I noted that Marc Emery from Cannabis Culture had a front page story saying RC had split the country, etcetera. Fuck. So, after some introspection, I decided to take the plunge - I was returning to my long lost home, the internet. RC had told me he would be releasing a statement, drawn up with the assistance of his lawyers, within 24 hours. Now, I had taken RC at his word as to what had happened, and I thought his clients, suppliers and members of his sites should have at least an idea of what happened, so I called him back, and said so. He agreed I could post what I put in my first post on the internet in 26 months.

Some things RC said to me didn't sit well with me. I did wake the guy up, but still... my instincts were making my hackles rise. As time passed, I kept thinking - who the fuck doesn't leap on a US$50,000 gift? My instincts said I wouldn't hear from his lawyers about it. I was correct.

Now, I have known RC's real name - and much more information about him, from back in the day when I made a deal with ~Shabang~ to buy out his 1/2 of Overgrow. I started doing the phone call thing to newspapers, the Quebec Provincial Police, RCMP public affairs office, blah, blah, blah. No record of an arrest. No record of bail or release. No records for RC, period. I had a couple of phone calls with ~Shabang~ as well, as he is one of the few people in the world I felt comfortable brain-storming with some of the information I was working with. I trust ~S with my life.

I called everyone I knew - and I know a fuckload of folks - to try and pry out some facts. I got a ton of calls, PM's and emails, and the picture they were painting wasn't jiving with some 'facts' that RC gave me. In fact, the fucker lied to me - to you - to the industry.

Just after midnight last night, I got a call from Marc Emery. Some of you may have heard of him. If you want to Marc bash, stay the fuck outta this thread. I've been in this industry for quite some time, and I don't believe in tearing down anyone who has the guts and determination for a cause that he does. If you don't like doing business with him, then don't. I have managed to negotiate this industry for years without hurting and name calling of people who are, in my eyes, on the same side. (Just ask Dr. Chronic - shortly after his site launched on OG - and when Gypsy was, as usual acting like an asshole and treating the Doc like shit on the boards, his site went down - hardware failure. That day was the first time I talked to the Doc - I called him and offered to host his site until his hardware was repaired. He declined, but that was the basis of a solid business relationship with him, one of my competitors. I have since met the Doc, and he is one of those truly rare finds - an honest to goodness decent and nice man. I would like to think I can call Dr. Chronic my friend, and I won't put up with any Doc bashing here either End of rant)

Emery and I chatted for over 1/2 an hour. At the outset, I was clear that I couldn't give him any information, but we could discuss what we both had knowledge of. I can tell you now that Emery had RC's real name for quite some time, and had been checking high and low, much like I had been, and had found no trace. Emery gave me a who's who list of people who know RC - in some cases for decades - and who RC had shunned any form of contact with since this all started. He quite graciously offered me all they had found out, and didn't pressure me for information in return. His concern for anyone affected by the fallout from this is genuine. The industry is in an uproar, and I hadn't seen anyone else with people working the phones trying to unearth the truth. By approximately 12:53 AM (GMT) Mr. Marc Scott Emery had earned my respect. We ended our chat, but now I still had more questions.

Rumours, speculation and innuendo filled the forums everywhere, and my instincts were screaming by now. Several details RC had given me were blatantly false, but not a smoking gun. Not yet.

And then, this morning at 10:30 AM (GMT) my phone rang. It was an old acquaintance of mine - and he had brought me a smoking gun. He had done business with RC, and RC paid him by check. The check was made out to a business that has nothing to do with cannabis or cannabis seeds. It was the only time that business had ever negotiated a payment from anyone in the industry. And he had just been raided, with the warrant looking for cannabis, cannabis seeds, and financial records. Fortunately, the raid was, well - a bust. Nothing was found, cops were red-faced, and my friend was fine. And pissed off. There is only one person who could have pointed the police to his business. Mr. Richard Baghdadlian, known to you as RC.

I don't doubt that RC was raided, and I don't doubt that his home and business were searched. In fact, I have confirmation they were. He was not arrested. He was at home when I called him, and has since shut off all contact with anyone. I called his lawyers (that little deal a few years ago with ~S, me, RC and OG had left me with all kinda interesting contacts) and they informed me they were not able to contact RC.

So, I'm gonna say it - and lemme tell you, this ain't easy, but now it's time to face some hard facts.

Richard Baghdadlian is co-operating with the authorities to save his own ass, at the expense of breeders, clients, and tens of thousands of members on his sites.

Anyone who had any financial transactions with RC in any way is at risk.

Anyone who posted on OG or CW is at risk. Those forums are gone, and will never be back - the security of every member has been comprimised.

I don't believe IP's were not logged on OG and CW. ~Shabang~ and I discussed this, and how ~S had originally set up the null logs, and db records. Since then, however, RC had instituted many 'anti-troll' features on the boards. Lemme 'splain...

Ask any troll here - if they posted from, say Proxy A one day, and then 3 days later from Proxy B, using the same handle, and admin got tired of them. So, they IP ban Proxy B, while the troll is still signed in. That's how RC would like you to believe it was done. However, if they then tried using a different handle, and Proxy A - well, damned if that one wasn't blocked as well. I can guarantee you that RC had gone back to some default settings to log IP's for everyone, all the time. There is no doubt.

RC is a rat.

OG and CW logged IP's.

The servers weren't seized - they didn't need to seize them - RC has given them complete access to the database records.

People are getting busted based on contact with RC.

I have given oldpink the heads-up a couple of hours ago that I was going to write this up and post it here. Kindly don't tear him up - he is working hard with little information, and is doing the best he can.

As many OG and CW refugees are also hanging at www.hg420.com, I've just got off the phone with Doc Chronic as well, so word of this will get out. (That's important, as that snivelling cunt-rag Gypsy likes to delete any quotes from me over at ICMag. Fuck off Gypsy, and stay outta my thread.)

If I have more information to offer later, I'll post it up in this thread.

If you have some information to give me, email is plural_of_encrypted@hushmail.com, or give me a call - from a safe phone, of course, at 07766 871 905 in the UK, 0044 7766 871 905 in Europe, and from N. America use 01144 7766 871 905.

Take care everyone, I hope you're all safe.

Love,

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PS - if yer gonna quote this post over at other sites, kindly quote the entire post, thank you very much. Mongoose

PPS - Fuck you Richard Baghdadlian - FUCK YOU... Fuck you... fuck you...

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Anno]
    #5295064 - 02/13/06 02:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That was a sad story.

I hope it settles down soon. I love BC Bud compared to the Mexican Shwag down here in South Texas.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Anno]
    #5295976 - 02/13/06 05:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quite terrible.. wild stories flyin' around -- I can only wonder which ones hold more truth in them :confused:
I went ahead and edited the header post in this thread to reflect the new information.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: geokills]
    #5297865 - 02/14/06 01:43 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

guess it's time to start printing out all the useful information off here...


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: TheLightIsOn]
    #5301354 - 02/14/06 11:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i loved OG , it will be missed.


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    #5302048 - 02/15/06 02:56 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

good thing i stoped growin' and smoked all my pot before all this happened.


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    #5302089 - 02/15/06 04:06 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Have a look at icmag and planetganja, there is a very nasty little flame war developing.

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    #5306250 - 02/16/06 10:29 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

elgr said:
http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=41101#41101




Oh.. fucking.. wow..

Good thing i never got my grow set up.. HOLY SHIT, thats some scary stuff.

Not only the grows, but all the people there who openly discussed dealing decent sized quantities of pot..

Once again, thankfully I dont sell anymore, but now i'm very concerned for a few friends i've made on OG. Better make sure they've seen this. Thank you x 10000 elgr


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    #5312451 - 02/18/06 12:23 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck.... thats all i say

good thing i didnt have any pics of things growing besides i dont have anything growing now anyways.

their not gonna try to hunt down users simply cus they have some weed are they?


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    #5312722 - 02/18/06 04:23 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

No way, they cant go after every single user who has ever posted on there. It's not feasible, they dont have the money or the man power for something that size. They would focus on Mods and the really big names.


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    #5313160 - 02/18/06 11:45 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i kinda thought they wouldnt go after joe and schmoe users
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    #5313802 - 02/18/06 04:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Richard Baghdadlian is RC I gather from that post

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    #5322053 - 02/20/06 10:04 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So wow.... what the FUCK is going on? So many stories, no one knows the TRUTH.

So he's working with the authorities now? Or he just fled?

The servers weren't confiscated? Or they were?


I need a giant 8 ball with all the answers, that's never wrong. Cause i'm getting real sick of all this bullshit hearsay about one of the best sites on the net. Gotta smoke now.... smoke HEAVY.


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    #5323007 - 02/21/06 05:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060217/LIFESTYLE/60216045

Potheads show you?re not anonymous online
By Leif M. Wright
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GreenThum43215: Hey, are you the Phoenix guy?
LeifMWright: Yes. Who?s this?
GreenThum43215: You interested in an internet story?
LeifMWright: I?m all ears.
GreenThum43215: Have you ever heard of overgrow.com?

That Internet chat began the weirdest column I?ve ever undertaken, one full of international intrigue, secret marijuana gardens, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Drug Enforcement Administration, a shady character with an Armenian name, a former movie actor turned marijuana seed dealer and tens of thousands of freaked-out potheads who started what I call the Marijuana Bean Field Wars.

Overgrow.com was the world?s largest marijuana cultivation Web site, and possibly the largest single marketplace of illegal ideas in the history of the world. The site taught growers the ins and outs of the plant and how to increase their yields and ostensibly increase the THC content. THC is the chemical believed to cause the ?high? of marijuana.

At its peak before Jan. 31, Overgrow.com had more than 100,000 active members ? a massive amount for all but the largest web sites, and certainly for one that exchanged information that is illegal in most places.

Jan. 31, the site disappeared. Poof. Up in smoke, you might say.
It had warned users a couple of days earlier that it would be undergoing server upgrades, so expect some outages. So no one panicked.

A day later, the site was still gone. Potheads, who are notoriously paranoid already, began to wig out.

What if the site had been busted? Would members be subject to prosecution based on the information they had shared on the site? Had authorities been watching the whole time, building up information so they could attack?
The war begins

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GreenThum43215: A lot of people around here are freaking out.

Probably an understatement.

I started searching the Internet for information about Overgrow.com. I found a slew of forums and dozens of sites repeating the same news: Overgrow.com and its parent site, Heaven?s Stairway, had been shut down, their Canadian owner arrested, his house raided and his family jailed.

Heaven?s Stairway was a seed distribution company. Marijuana growers call the seeds ?beans.? Heaven?s Stairway, according to Canadian pot activist Marc Emery, had to be the largest seed merchant in North America, selling cannabis seeds all across Canada and the United States, and probably to other countries, too.

The stories on the Internet didn?t answer some key questions. Were the Web sites shut down by Canadian authorities, or were they, as Emery?s own bust nine months earlier, done in cooperation with the DEA?

Who was the mysterious owner of the sites, and what happened to him? Was he in jail? Was he out? Was he even alive?

What happened to the records of his seed business and the logs on his site that could possibly lead police to those who frequented the site?

Internet forums were atwitter with the details ? or lack of them.

It seems the sites were owned by a Richard Calrisian in Montreal.
But later, it seemed ?Calrisian? had been an alias. His real name was Richard Baghdadlian. And later, it seemed ?Richard? was an alias, too. His real name, they asserted, was Hratch Baghdadlian.

No one seemed to be able to find any official records of his arrest, or even of an investigation.

That, the growers seemed unified in believing, was even more ominous. If the cops had busted Baghdadlian but hadn?t arrested him, it could be that they were still investigating ? or worse, Baghdadlian was cooperating with them, singing like a canary, selling out seed customers, seed merchants and growers all over the continent.

I called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police headquarters in Ottawa.

?We don?t confirm or deny if there is an ongoing investigation,? said Sgt. Nathalie Dechenes, spokesman for the RCMP. ?So we wouldn?t tell you either way. I don?t know if we even have authority to shut down Web sites.?

So I called Emery, who was busted nine months ago and is facing extradition to the United States on charges of selling marijuana seeds in the U.S.

?I?m facing 31 years in a maximum security federal prison,? Emery said. ?It seems to me if Baghdadlian was facing the same thing, he might have started cooperating if they offered to drop the investigation in the U.S. and keep him in Canada.?

Emery had run a seed company in competition with Heaven?s Stairway. When he was busted, his computers were seized (?Nothing was on them,? he said), and his clients in the United States started receiving blue sheets of paper asking them to confirm orders they had placed with his company.

?It was essentially an effort to try to get them to incriminate themselves,? he said. ?But most were smart enough to hit my Web site and find out it was the DEA and not us sending those notices out.?

Meanwhile, several cannabis-related sites were breaking out into full civil war over the Overgrow debacle.

On one side was a fomer movie actor who had had a bit part in a Jean-Claude VanDamme flick and now was calling himself ?Gypsy Nirvana.? He claimed to have spoken with ?RC,? which was a pseudonym for Baghdadlian (growers seem to be big on initials and acronyms).

RC, Nirvana assured everyone, had been arrested, but he was out on bail and he had shut down the servers when he learned of the impending raid ? everyone?s information was safe.

Dissenters began to surface, however, saying Nirvana had a profit motive in mind; he wanted Heaven?s Stairway?s seed business.

On the other side was someone calling himself ?Plural of Mongoose,? who apparently commanded great respect in the growing community. He also claimed to have spoken with RC, who had told him several lies, some of which, combined with a friend being busted, led him to believe RC was cooperating with the authorities.

Caught in the middle was Emery, whose own case had generated a lot of publicity, and who is loved by about half the growing community and violently hated by the other half. Emery?s initial statement on the matter had been that Baghdadlian, tired of the seed business, had decided it was time to bail, so he shut up shop and took off to greener pastures, no pun intended.

The battle raged on in Internet boards with Nirvana accusing Emery of being a jerk for revealing Baghdadlian?s name and phone number on his own site.

Others said Baghdadlian was the jerk for leaving his business partners high and dry, wondering if they could be busted at any time based on information from his servers.
No bust, no investigation, mom says

I called a number given on one site for Baghdadlian. A woman answered and gave her name as ?Mrs. Baghdadlian.?

She confirmed that Hratch is her son and that he was the proprietor of Heaven?s Stairway and Overgrow.com.

?Nothing has happened, there is nothing right now,? she said in an Armenian accent. ?He has not been arrested. There is no investigation.?

I asked her if Baghdadlian had shut the servers down himself. She started stuttering.

?Um,? she said. ?I don?t think I can say anything more than this.?

I asked if she knew where I could reach him to talk to him. She said she did not.

?Wow,? Emery said when I told him about the conversation. ?That sure lends credence to the idea that he took the money and ran.?

It?s possible that Baghdadlian had noticed an increased amount of government servers hitting his sites, saw the writing on the wall and bailed. Emery agreed it was possible.

?Before I was raided, about six weeks before, there was a huge Department of Justice focus on our Web site,? he said. ?Our server logs revealed their IP addresses and we were able to do a whois on them and find out where the hits were coming from.?

Taking the money and running would explain Baghdadlian?s silence ? and the silence of law enforcement, which had thrown a big media party when they busted Emery, patting themselves very publicly on the back for such a large takedown.
What does it mean to you?

The bottom line is those who were doing business with Baghdadlian and Emery were breaking the law if they were doing it in the United States ? they took a tremendous risk to break the law, and they are likely wise to be worried.

Doing that business over the Internet may have given people a false sense of security, since the Internet allows people to feel ?anonymous.?

In the marijuana growing community, the disappearance of Overgrow has made them rudely aware that Internet anonymity is an illusion.

For law enforcement, if there was no bust, they may still benefit from Baghdadlian?s disappearance. Growers all over the Internet were proclaiming that they were done ? they were shutting their operations down for fear ?LEO? would come get them based on information obtained from Baghdadlian?s debacle.

The net gain for law enforcement is a new paranoia in the cannabis-growing world ? and fewer people growing, which means shorter supply and less headache for ?LEO.?

The average, law-abiding citizen can take a good message away from the mess, too, though. The message:

?You?re never anonymous,? Emery said. ?It?s impossible. Governments are investing huge amounts of money to monitor what?s going on on the Internet. If they?re interested in knowing something, they?ll get it.?

Protecting yourself over the Internet ? even in legitimate business ? should take top priority. You may never have thought about breaking a law yourself, but your information is scattered all over the Internet, and those with less scruples than you can easily gain access to it and use it to defraud you.

Be careful. The Internet is still a rough new frontier, much like Oklahoma was in the Land Run years. You may not be facing droughts and maurading bandits, but you face less-than-honest people who will take your information and use it to hurt you.

?Never do business with anyone who won?t give you a real name,? Emery said.

More importantly, never do online business with a company you haven?t thoroughly seen to be trustworthy. Even big companies suffer from ?phishing,? where people will pretend to be the big companies and request personal information from you, which is later used to defraud you.

For those doing illegal business over the Internet, my advice is this: Just don?t.

You can reach Leif M. Wright at 684-2906 or lmwright@muskogeephoenix.com. If you?re ?LEO,? you already know that.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: abrad84]
    #5349778 - 02/28/06 02:40 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

RCMP Take Down Seed Company tied to Overgrow.com
by RCMP Website (28 Feb, 2006)

The RCMP dismantles an international drug distribution network on the internet Royal Canadian Mounted Police crestThe members of the Marihuana Grow Operations Enforcement Team of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police concluded their first major operation when they uncovered a Montreal based criminal organization involved in the trafficking, importation and exportation of cannabis seeds, as well as in conspiring for the purpose of cannabis cultivation via the Internet.

This operation was launched in November 2004 under the name "Courriel" and culminated with the seizure of 200,000 cannabis seeds and the arrest of seven persons.

Project "Courriel" revealed that Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN, 38, from Marsan Street in Montreal, and six other persons operated the Heaven's Stairway company. This company was on the web claiming to be the North American supplier for indoor and outdoor cannabis production.

The cybercompany Heaven's Stairway used the Internet sites hempqc.com, cannabisworld.com, overgrow.com, eurohemp.com, cannabisseeds.com, and cannabisbay.com. These sites were used to order cannabis seeds online and obtain information on cannabis cultivation.

These Internet sites also suggested ways to outsmart the police. Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN was the instigator, head and main beneficiary of the illicit company Heaven's Straiway. The other six accused acted as couriers and performed other duties for the company.

They are Geoffrey CHAN, 33, Maria Cristina CIVITILLO, 32, Natalie BAGHDADLIAN, 40, Manuel Bento FERNANDES, 45, Christopher ALMOND, 38, and Teresa RODRIGUES, 39. They all live in Montreal except Christopher ALMOND who lives in Ville Saint-Laurent.

The organization processed approximately 30 orders of cannabis seeds a day averaging $100 each. The seeds were sent to clients by regular mail. The seven people are facing 49 charges under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and the Criminal Code of Canada. The offences were committed in Quebec, Canada, North America, the United Kingdom and elsewhere in the world between March 12, 1998 and January 31, 2006. Nine searches were carried out during the week of January 30, 2006 in order to gather evidence that criminal activities had been committed. The searches were conducted in Montreal and Laval, as well as in the residences of three of the accused, a business, three post office boxes, a vehicle and a safe-deposit box.

These searches led to the seizure of 200,000 cannabis seeds, more than $183,362 in US currencies and $14,000 in Canadian currencies, both in cash and postal money orders, three one-kilogram gold bricks, a Harley-Davidson motorcycle, a Mazda RX8 and many purchase orders.

Since the searches were conducted, 272 orders have been intercepted by the police. The amount of seeds seized during the searches could have made it possible to operate approximately 500 cannabis greenhouses of 400 plants each, which represent 42 million joints sold on the street.

The seven accused are liable to 10 years' imprisonment. Since the possession of cannabis seeds is illegal under Schedule II of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, clients of the network could also receive a visit from the police.

It should be noted that Project "Courriel", a first in Canada, is the fruit of the work of the new Marihuana Grow Operations Enforcement Team.

This new drug enforcement team is one of the seven teams established by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police across Canada in 2004 to combat the scourge of marihuana. The main objectives of these teams are to interdict drugs before they arrive in our communities and to target and destroy the infrastructure and the networks used by criminal organizations involved in marihuana production. These organizations constitute a threat to public safety and well-being.



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combat the scourge of marihuana.



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    #5352051 - 03/01/06 02:07 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Pictures of the busted evidence held by the RCMP.












To watch the RCMP media release of RC's bust...

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate/!ctvVideo/CTVNews/rcmp_drugring_060228/20060228

If you have problems with the stream, you can download the 3.55mb video media release at this link...

http://d48.yousendit.com/C/02FSQD7A02C4Y2LSCA6B99AXJZ/RC%20Bust.asf

If you're still having problems with the file not downloading, then download the YSIGET file manager (250kb) and install...

http://s48.yousendit.com/downloads/YSIGet%200.99c.exe

...then hit "QUEUE" on the software and copy/paste in the URL below. Then you'll get it.

http://d48.yousendit.com/C/02FSQD7A02C4Y2LSCA6B99AXJZ/RC%20Bust.asf

It's truly been a blow to the online Canna-scene with the loss of the largest library of Canna-info in history. I can only hope the data is not lost.


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Re: Not good... [Re: Starter]
    #5352067 - 03/01/06 02:25 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/qc/comm/2006/fev06/060228a_e.htm

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" C" Division - News Releases

THE RCMP DISMANTLES AN INTERNATIONAL DRUG
DISTRIBUTION NETWORK ON THE INTERNET

MONTR?AL, Tuesday, February 28, 2006 ? The members of the Marihuana Grow Operations Enforcement Team of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police concluded their first major operation when they uncovered a Montreal based criminal organization involved in the trafficking, importation and exportation of cannabis seeds, as well as in conspiring for the purpose of cannabis cultivation via the Internet. This operation was launched in November 2004 under the name "Courriel" and culminated with the seizure of 200,000 cannabis seeds and the arrest of seven persons.

Project "Courriel" revealed that Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN, 38, from Marsan Street in Montreal, and six other persons operated the Heaven?s Stairway company. This company was on the web claiming to be the North American supplier for indoor and outdoor cannabis production.

The cybercompany Heaven?s Stairway used the Internet sites hempqc.com, cannabisworld.com, overgrow.com, eurohemp.com, cannabisseeds.com, and cannabisbay.com. These sites were used to order cannabis seeds online and obtain information on cannabis cultivation. These Internet sites also suggested ways to outsmart the police.


Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN was the instigator, head and main beneficiary of the illicit company Heaven?s Straiway. The other six accused acted as couriers and performed other duties for the company. They are Geoffrey CHAN, 33, Maria Cristina CIVITILLO, 32, Natalie BAGHDADLIAN, 40, Manuel Bento FERNANDES, 45, Christopher ALMOND, 38, and Teresa RODRIGUES, 39. They all live in Montreal except Christopher ALMOND who lives in Ville Saint-Laurent.

The organization processed approximately 30 orders of cannabis seeds a day averaging $100 each. The seeds were sent to clients by regular mail.

The seven people are facing 49 charges under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and the Criminal Code of Canada. The offences were committed in Quebec, Canada, North America, the United Kingdom and elsewhere in the world between March 12, 1998 and January 31, 2006.

Nine searches were carried out during the week of January 30, 2006 in order to gather evidence that criminal activities had been committed. The searches were conducted in Montreal and Laval, as well as in the residences of three of the accused, a business, three post office boxes, a vehicle and a safe-deposit box.

These searches led to the seizure of 200,000 cannabis seeds, more than $183,362 in US currency and $14,000 in Canadian currency, both in cash and postal money orders, three one-kilogram gold bricks, a Harley-Davidson motorcycle, a Mazda RX8 and many purchase orders. Since the searches were conducted, 272 orders have been intercepted by the police.

The amount of seeds seized during the searches could have made it possible to operate approximately 500 cannabis greenhouses of 400 plants each, which represent 42 million joints sold on the street.

The seven accused are liable to 10 years? imprisonment. Since the possession of cannabis seeds is illegal under Schedule II of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, clients of the network could also receive a visit from the police.

It should be noted that Project "Courriel", a first in Canada, is the fruit of the work of the new Marihuana Grow Operations Enforcement Team. This new drug enforcement team is one of the seven teams established by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police across Canada in 2004 to combat the scourge of marihuana. The main objectives of these teams are to interdict drugs before they arrive in our communities and to target and destroy the infrastructure and the networks used by criminal organizations involved in marihuana production. These organizations constitute a threat to public safety and well-being.



For information:
Communications Office
(514) 939-8308


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Re: Not good... [Re: Jim]
    #5352443 - 03/01/06 06:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

> to combat the scourge of marihuana (sic).

... and how many unsolved rapes, murders, and missing persons are being ignored so that some politician can gain a few more votes by showing that s/he is hard on non-violent gardners.


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Re: Not good... [Re: Seuss]
    #5352464 - 03/01/06 06:50 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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> to combat the scourge of marihuana (sic).

... and how many unsolved rapes, murders, and missing persons are being ignored so that some politician can gain a few more votes by showing that s/he is hard on non-violent gardners.




I think whoever wrote that had just watched Reefer Madness.

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