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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Redstorm]
    #5272339 - 02/07/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
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browndustin said:
I still disagree with most of that for many different reasons. But I don't wanna toss opinions back and fourth cause I don't want anything to get heated. The one thing I will say is that America, or the DEA rather, is TOTALLY, 100% trying to force their laws/morals/bs onto Canadians. I was at a rally where John Walters and Karen Tandy showed up and sputtered bs for what seemed like hours. They constantly make threats about cutting off our trades and leaving Canada in the stone age. I can't beleive that this stuff flies. Then again, both Americans and Canadians hate the DEA sooooo.....

:bongload:

I think we were definitely headed in the right direction. I know that morally and socially, marijuana's far more accepted with each and every day. I don't know anyone who really has a quarrel with weed anyways? Are there any left in Canada? Apparently so... and it's our fucking RCMP. It shouldn't have come as a surprise. :frown:




Perhaps you should take responsibility for your own government and attempt to change it instead of bitching about the U.S.'s influence.




This is the Canadian mentatility? I lived in Canada for 2 years of my young adult life?I was born in Switzerland so you could consider myself a non-biased party when it comes to this issue.  Where are the servers located for the Shroomery---GangaTalk, DMT lycelium etc?  If all the domestic drug-related servers were seized and then the Canadian websites shortly followed, I might consider this argument?This  type of thing (going after forums) would never transpire in the U.S. unless there was some type of terror network involvement.  Whether or not US is trying to "force" the laws upon Canada, Walters and Kandy dont have any authority over international trade relations---Im not going to accept the arguement that Canada was stupid eneough to buy into that bullshit....Lets stop a Billion dollar trade relationship because of some pro MJ rally's.         

If the US did ?influence? Canadian officials to the point where they would manipulate legislation, they I would consider Canada a very weak society?I however know this is not true because Canadians make certain they state there ?Independence.?  We don?t like to be compared to the French and absolutely hate to be compared to Americans. 

  Busts happen quite a bit in Canada, its just you don?t hear about them like you do with the US?The Media craves salacious stories and Death>drugs usually fits that criteria.  I know Freedom of Speech is extremely suppressed there?I wouldn?t know if the govt has a hand in censoring certain editorials but I know there isn?t a strong 2-sided outspoken voice like the stuff here.           

The US would detest Canada for legalizing Mariguana because there would be no way of monitoring the border for black market traffic---MJ is already a huge agricultural export in Alberta/the west?if anything, they would be intrigued by the thought of underground sales to the US?but, the reasons behind not legalizing has very little to do with American authority?we don?t have Jurisdiction there and Canada makes it very clear that our laws are inconsequential.  Vancouver is about as different from Montreal as San Francisco is from the bible belt, espeically when we're talking about Mediniceal use. 
     
Why isnt anything good about Canada credited towards the US?---no thats all the Canadaians...American influence can only be negative. US drug policy sux I agree, but atleast I can say the Americans are the ones to blame for electing anti-drug activists instead of falling back on the possuble influence of some other govt. 


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #5272740 - 02/07/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't agree with a lot of laws in the US. I REALLY don't agree with our foreign policy. I also don't think the populace of the states is accurately represented by our laws. I believe capitalism is our only creed, and money is the end-all-be-all of a vast majority of the shitty laws and tactics we employ. In the US, money makes the world go 'round, not the will of the people. We are bought and traded every day to the highest bidders. Until there's a popular movement with enormous financial backing, nothing will come of the rhetoric we speak.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: mediman0078]
    #5272854 - 02/07/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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mediman0078 said:
I don't agree with a lot of laws in the US. I REALLY don't agree with our foreign policy. I also don't think the populace of the states is accurately represented by our laws. I believe capitalism is our only creed, and money is the end-all-be-all of a vast majority of the shitty laws and tactics we employ. In the US, money makes the world go 'round, not the will of the people. We are bought and traded every day to the highest bidders. Until there's a popular movement with enormous financial backing, nothing will come of the rhetoric we speak.




You posted this rant in the wrong thread....this "capatalism rules the world" would be more fit in a FDA conspiracy pharmacutical topic.
Whether or not the War on drugs is vindicate...the cause is certainly not greed. The Tabacco, alcohol and pharmacutical trade already yields billions a year in revenue...legalizing additional drugs would do no thes than expand the economy of this so called big business. The US is a democratic state and the people in this forum are speaking on behalf of a minority. The money govt would save from playing down the war on drugs and not needing to support thousands in jail cells on drug related charges alone would be eneough to persuade money hungry politicians. The reason why MJ and psychedelics are not legal is a combination of conventionalism and ignorance...there is no mal-intent with this area of policy especially none capitally influenced.


Edited by OrizonsHorizon (02/07/06 02:54 PM)


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5273803 - 02/07/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Lunatik said:
Nah, RC didn't allow credit card purchases on seeds (smart move). However, he did allow paypal payments on OG subscriptions. Hopefully the pigs don't get ahold of that info...





paypal/ebay volunteers info to the police




Yeah, that's why I'm hoping the authorities don't wind up with that info.
However, I don't think that OG had too many subscribers.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Anonymous]
    #5273935 - 02/07/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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paradis said:
Canada has less free speech than America.




Right...
Go anywhere in Canada, and insult the first 10 people you see.
Now go to Texas.

I hope you prefer bullets to fists.




The fact is, Bush is probably the worst enemy of free speech and information since Hitler... or at least Stalin... his national ideology- and economy- is fueled by propaganda suggesting we kill, maim, sanction, and otherwise 'bring to justice' many of the poorest people in the world.


Why terrorists do terrorists exist? Is it because other cultures believe in evil and indoctrinate their people into this belief?

Doubtful. Such a culture would destroy itself in a fit of hatred and anger.


In reality, the war on terror is a war on dissenters of the American global economy. These people fight with bombs and airplanes because they cannot usually afford conveniences such as cruise missiles and sponsored dictators.


Are drugs used to fund the activities of these people?
Probably sometimes. The fact is anyone threatening the Americans in any way can probably be proven to have links with a terrorist organization, if is in the interest of the American government.


The sad truth is the American majority is more comfortable sitting in an SUV being fed bullshit, than working hard for something resembling real freedom.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #5273969 - 02/07/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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OrizonsHorizon said:

Whether or not the War on drugs is vindicate...the cause is certainly not greed. The Tabacco, alcohol and pharmacutical trade already yields billions a year in revenue...legalizing additional drugs would do no thes than expand the economy of this so called big business.







Please explain to me an economically viable method of inciting a paradigm shift regarding psychedelics while maintaining a conservative death grip over your economy and media.

(Oh right, there isn't one...)


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: browndustin]
    #5273977 - 02/07/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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browndustin said:
the DEA rather, is TOTALLY, 100% trying to force their laws/morals/bs onto Canadians. They constantly make threats about cutting off our trades and leaving Canada in the stone age. I can't beleive that this stuff flies.





it flies because canada allows it to and yes, the DEA does try and impose it's
shit on canada and in case you havent noticed, they do it to the rest of the world
as well, whats the worst that could happen if canada cut ties with the US?
you buy your american goods the same places that the US does, mexico, malasia and china


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #5273991 - 02/07/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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OrizonsHorizon said:
You posted this rant in the wrong thread....this "capatalism rules the world" would be more fit in a FDA conspiracy pharmacutical topic.




what do you think the drug war boils down to?


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5274113 - 02/07/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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ExplosiveMango said:
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paradis said:
Canada has less free speech than America.




Right...
Go anywhere in Canada, and insult the first 10 people you see.
Now go to Texas.

I hope you prefer bullets to fists.




The fact is, Bush is probably the worst enemy of free speech and information since Hitler... or at least Stalin... his national ideology- and economy- is fueled by propaganda suggesting we kill, maim, sanction, and otherwise 'bring to justice' many of the poorest people in the world.




in the US we have a small selection of banned books, 'how to' manuals on
committing murder (doesnt apply to works of fiction) and a handful of
books containing blueprints for building bombs and other weaponry. Wheres
the list of canadian books that are illegal? I believe it was posted in this
tread, we can have books that call for seditious and treasonous acts, canada cannot.

Calling people names or general insults arent what free speech is about, it;s
about being able to speak out against government, obviously if it meant anything
else there wouldnt be slander and libel suits filed every day. It's the ability
to keep websites like this one running without worry of seizure but government
agents as long as we function witin the law

US law is pretty damned specific both regarding acts and penalties, one bill
pushed through congress may cover a dozen different laws, each law may require
8 pages to explain along with definitions, foot notes, margin notes, side notes
and the usual references to gay porn, a single bill can be as long as 200 pages
which is what happens when you have attorneys elected to public office as
opposed to moose jockeys and seal clubbers, it not just because of our love
for killing defenseless trees, this is also one of the reasons that many
americans cant and dont keep up with current legislation

canadian laws are less specific, leaving more loopholes and more for a judge to
interpret as he sees fit.



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The sad truth is the American majority is more comfortable sitting in an SUV being fed bullshit, than working hard for something resembling real freedom.




substitute SUV with economy car with snow tires and you've just discribed canada
as well. Honestly there is no difference between our countries, thousands
of blinded people that buy into the propaganda that our governments spew, the
biggest part of the bullshit being the freedoms we 'enjoy'.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5274240 - 02/07/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

canada, eh? :P


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: tps]
    #5274248 - 02/07/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

there are mass gatherings of members and admins from og going on at icmag.com
all questions about security and r.c. are being updated constantly
we are trying to also reconstruct the growfaqs and strain guide as well..


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5274261 - 02/07/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:

substitute SUV with economy car with snow tires and you've just discribed canada
as well. Honestly there is no difference between our countries, thousands
of blinded people that buy into the propaganda that our governments spew, the
biggest part of the bullshit being the freedoms we 'enjoy'.




I'm afraid I have to disagree.
As much as our countries look like brothers in their actions, it is undeniable that they are different. Canada is the little brother.

We clearly do share much of our way of life with our neighbors here in North America. However this is the American way of life we are living together. Even the briefest glance into the legal and economic structures of our countries will allow you to see this. Canada is a country torn between European evolution and American money.

And although Canada is beginning to share in the political conservatism which has brought the American powers so much control, much of our populous is still struggling to fight it off. Our leaders may be gazing down the same slippery slope of greed and self-righteousness that Bush is, but where we are still managing to hold Harper's reigns, Bush has already plunged headlong downward.


Canadian mimicry may be just as much a fact of life as American indifference and extortion, but none of these things are irreversible. When the oil is gone, and the war comes, all who stand in the name of equality and free expression will be my brothers regardless of border or belief.


In the meantime, I suggest each and every person think very hard about whether they truly believe in the system in which they live, and how they can change it if they do not. None of us need sell our souls to what we know is wrong, simply because it is easy.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5274332 - 02/07/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ExplosiveMango said:
Quote:

paradis said:
Canada has less free speech than America.




Right...
Go anywhere in Canada, and insult the first 10 people you see.
Now go to Texas.

I hope you prefer bullets to fists.




The fact is, Bush is probably the worst enemy of free speech and information since Hitler... or at least Stalin... his national ideology- and economy- is fueled by propaganda suggesting we kill, maim, sanction, and otherwise 'bring to justice' many of the poorest people in the world.


Why terrorists do terrorists exist? Is it because other cultures believe in evil and indoctrinate their people into this belief?

Doubtful. Such a culture would destroy itself in a fit of hatred and anger.


In reality, the war on terror is a war on dissenters of the American global economy. These people fight with bombs and airplanes because they cannot usually afford conveniences such as cruise missiles and sponsored dictators.


Are drugs used to fund the activities of these people?
Probably sometimes. The fact is anyone threatening the Americans in any way can probably be proven to have links with a terrorist organization, if is in the interest of the American government.


The sad truth is the American majority is more comfortable sitting in an SUV being fed bullshit, than working hard for something resembling real freedom.




Your siteing individual geographical responses as basis for freedom of speech? I could frolic through the East village with cowboyboots and a rainbow cape and probably be OK?.I wonder what woukld happen if I did the same in queens at midnight. I could walk in a country Whiskey bar in Alabama flashing confederate flags?.I wonder if Id be so welcome in a Bronx HipHOp club. Freedom of Speech is not dictated by vigialante entities?its dictated by the govt and powered by the Media. The Toronto Press (which is all I can speak for) is very one sided....all the journalists pretty much agree and if they don?t, they never debate the points. Most people called it ?layed back?---I call it passive confinement. IT seems like the govt has a hand in what?s publicized over there?or atleast everybody?s just kind of singing the same tune?Here we got a overpowering Liberal press that bashes Bush every chance they get. It?s obvious there are 2 separate sides with American media.

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ExplosiveMango said:
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OrizonsHorizon said:

Whether or not the War on drugs is vindicate...the cause is certainly not greed. The Tabacco, alcohol and pharmacutical trade already yields billions a year in revenue...legalizing additional drugs would do no thes than expand the economy of this so called big business.







Please explain to me an economically viable method of inciting a paradigm shift regarding psychedelics while maintaining a conservative death grip over your economy and media.

(Oh right, there isn't one...)




So you want me to explain a technique where psychedelics can be intricated into our society without the conservatives losing this called propaganda smoke screen they have on the Americans. Wow that?s pretty deep man. One of the stongests arguments Mariguana activists make is that the people whom wish to smoke Cannibis do so despite of it?s legal status. Legalizing would make it safer to obtain and less expensive but very few would become involved whom wouldn?t of chosen to do so under normal/illegal circumstances. The same applies for Mushrooms and LSD I would say?thos whom wish to indulge will seek the drug no matter what the legal circumstances. It?s kind of hard to give a good example?oh wait, I could say the Netherlands but they are one of the US?s strongest allies with the War on Terror. Doenst look like the mushrooms are really "enlightening" them the way youd think.

---My point here is that the War on Drugs is not motivated by money---if you want to tie in some abstract connection boucing 1 subjest to the next, I can sit here and have half ass pinky revelations all day. THe Business gains set aside, 3.5 billion was spent just on fighting Mariguana last year?.plus whatever the 700,000 arrests?jail accomdations the govt pays etc... I can give many examples of money based scandals?but this one is really indisputable.

I don?t want to spin this off into some shitmatch polital debate---you obviously found a niche to slip in some non-related predisposed views about the US but I would advise you from not generalizing with the word ?Americans? when identifying with such zealous descriptions.

The ACLU and far-left would be all over this shit if it happend in the US---Im saying the Canadians "specifially the ones in this thread" need to suck it up and stop pointing the fingure at the US for this bullshit...theres not much coverage on this in the News becauuse, well you know why, so until proven otherwise---this is strictly a Canadian affair.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #5274916 - 02/07/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If they were to take down shroomery.org, would this affect the irc server also?

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: _SE]
    #5275239 - 02/07/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

How did we NOT KNOW this WOULD happen after they popped Marc Emery and his 2 cosest associates/biz partners. Shut down Emery seeds and C.C., but not ONLY that-- this showed us that that the US gov't can extradite citizens of ANOTHER COUNTRY into the US to suffer the wrath of our judicial system.

BECAUSE THEY HAD SERVED AS A THREAT TO THE US AND THE DRUG WAR.

FUCK THIS SHIT. WHERE IS THE HOPE??? SERIOUSLY.
even the light at the end of the countercultural tunnel is being extinguished.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: krill]
    #5275478 - 02/07/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This is really bad news! Are we ever going to be free from this foul-smeling, money-grabbing pigs!
Now, I was wondering, does the shroomery keep any IP logs?, If it does we might have to find a way to use fake IPs


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: CapCaptain]
    #5276352 - 02/08/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If you have a book like mine, that you made from the Shroomery.  :mushroom2: Then you would be in the, the, the, the, the couple of hundreds of pages.  I have what my wife calls the    :heart: "Red Book"  :heart:  and it is about a foot thick with approx.  817 pages (Front and Back) and I am adding pages to it all the time.  :syringe:Took close to a year to make the    :heart:"Red Book".  :heart: And it would break my heart if, all that information disappeared from the internet.  :mad:  But the point being, I thought about this kind of thing a long time ago, and as the shrooms always say: Always be prepared.  (Or is that the boy scouts?) :confused:  :heartpump::heartpump::heartpump:  Anyways the Shroomery is not gone, So don't give it premature death. :heartpump::heartpump::heartpump:


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Keen_Eyed]
    #5277727 - 02/08/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just tried to go to all of those sites and I live in America. The page cannot be displayed by any of them.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #5278334 - 02/08/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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OrizonsHorizon said:
Your siteing individual geographical responses as basis for freedom of speech?





Siteing is not a word.

I am giving a single, very brief, example of circumstance where a generalization is erroneous. I did not say Canada had more free speech, only that it did not have less...

Clearly my original statement contains only a very small part of the message in that reply regardless...

My qualm is with the current- completely unfit and inappropriate- leader of the enormously powerful nation to my immediate south, and his impact on free speech... Where you can frolic in your rainbow cape does not concern me...


The Toronto press has not yet been responsible for the killing of a single individual. The American leader has the blood of tens of thousands on his hands. I would suggest to you that Bush's form of silencing his political opposition is slightly more severe than not considering their points.

I have never been confined for my political views, passively or otherwise. I do not believe any of the illegal prisoners of war held by Bush would make the same statement.


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So you want me to explain a technique where psychedelics can be intricated into our society without the conservatives losing this called propaganda smoke screen they have on the Americans. Wow that?s pretty deep man.





Intricated is not a word, nor would it have a context in that sentence if it were...

This statement is not deep, nor is it anything other than obvious. Political leadership would lose their hard-core right wing support the second they suggested people open their minds to things as radical as psychedelics. Fact.
That is where a VAST amount of the money exists in America. Fact.



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---My point here is that the War on Drugs is not motivated by money---if you want to tie in some abstract connection boucing 1 subjest to the next, I can sit here and have half ass pinky revelations all day. THe Business gains set aside, 3.5 billion was spent just on fighting Mariguana last year?.plus whatever the 700,000 arrests?jail accomdations the govt pays etc... I can give many examples of money based scandals?but this one is really indisputable.





Subjest is not a word. Mariguana isn't either.

Please try and realize I am not making generalizations, I am making statements about specific groups and individuals. Nor am I changing my subject.

My viewpoint is that this incident should be noticed, and should not be ignored or shrugged off as 'attempted good intentions'. These wars against anonymous enemies Bush (Harper as well) is fighting are extremely dangerous things. When laws are created under the guise of media propagated fear, people often forget what freedom means, and tolerate unjust acts simply because they believe it 'must be done'.
This is how Nazi Germany came into being, this is not a joke, nor is it a personal attack, merely a fact.

My intention is not to shift blame from Canada, on the contrary. I am trying to suggesting that each and every person involved in any way in either the war on drugs, or the war on terror, is partially responsible.

You can choose excuses, or you can choose action. Either way your righteousness will not save you when it all falls apart. If you want injustices such as persecution for personal chemical choices to end, do something about it.


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Know your self.
Know your substance.
Know your source.

The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.


Edited by ExplosiveMango (02/08/06 04:40 PM)


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    #5279121 - 02/08/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It?s kinda petty to ?cite? me on grammatical errors---if you understood what I was saying, then my post served it?s purpose---nevertheless, I was mistaken and retract whatever was mentioned

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I am giving a single, very brief, example of circumstance where a generalization is erroneous. I did not say Canada had more free speech, only that it did not have less...

Clearly my original statement contains only a very small part of the message in that reply regardless...

My qualm is with the current- completely unfit and inappropriate- leader of the enormously powerful nation to my immediate south, and his impact on free speech... Where you can frolic in your rainbow cape does not concern me...


The Toronto press has not yet been responsible for the killing of a single individual. The American leader has the blood of tens of thousands on his hands. I would suggest to you that Bush's form of silencing his political opposition is slightly more severe than not considering their points.

I have never been confined for my political views, passively or otherwise. I do not believe any of the illegal prisoners of war held by Bush would make the same statement.




I understand the whole Texas thing was just an exaggerated generalization but that?s the only specific testimony? Conjecture? you stated which implies the US impedes upon freedom of Speech. You think movies like Fahrenheit 911 would fly in the Hitler/Stalin regime? I don?t see American media restricted to Right Wing control. (its actually the Left-Wing/Hollywood that dominates network television) Please Specify what element of Bush?s political opponents (Democrats) have been silenced. Unless you wnt to get into some other conspiracy ideology nothing here holds any water when speaking to anybody but yourself.

So as long as the Toronto Press hasn?t killed anybody, then they stand for the Freedom of Speech just as much as anybody else. I understand your qualm with Bush and Im not trying to persuade you of your political convictions but you are suggesting that because you think he is guilty of one thing, then he and America must be guilty of everything else in the book. Im not gonna be put into the position where I have to defend the War on Terror to get this topic back on track.

My rainbow cape analogy was meant to put your Texas>Canada into perspective---even if Texans do pull out shot guns when they are insulted, this is not an accurate representation of an obstruction to ?freedom of Speech?

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This statement is not deep, nor is it anything other than obvious. Political leadership would lose their hard-core right wing support the second they suggested people open their minds to things as radical as psychedelics. Fact.
That is where a VAST amount of the money exists in America. Fact.




I might be fancied to kick this around in the Philosophy forum?but I cant get past the concept that people cant tell the difference between right and wrong---good and bad without being under the influence of a psychedelic. So the tables would completely turn if the whole world started to become interested in hallucinogens? They would free themselves of this mind control the republic has cast upon them and realize this is murder we're committing>>The hippy generation is the only cohort that has ever existed in a time when psychedelics were Pop culture?.that generation is now running this ?propaganda machine? on capital hill. I could use that to support a theory opposite of yours....but I know this correlation is just coincidence.
Fact?not quite
Politacal Leadership would lose there hard-core right and left wing support if they openly suggested people engage in psychedelics. Its only the Extremely Far Left or some other green party Liberal that would benefit from such a proposal and since we live in a democracy, those guys never make it in the top 5.

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My viewpoint is that this incident should be noticed, and should not be ignored or shrugged off as 'attempted good intentions'. These wars against anonymous enemies Bush (Harper as well) is fighting are extremely dangerous things. When laws are created under the guise of media propagated fear, people often forget what freedom means, and tolerate unjust acts simply because they believe it 'must be done'.
This is how Nazi Germany came into being, this is not a joke, nor is it a personal attack, merely a fact.
My intention is not to shift blame from Canada, on the contrary. I am trying to suggesting that each and every person involved in any way in either the war on drugs, or the war on terror, is partially responsible.

You can choose excuses, or you can choose action. Either way your righteousness will not save you when it all falls apart. If you want injustices such as persecution for personal chemical choices to end, do something about it.




I am not trying to shrug off the war on Drugs?this is the Shroomery for shit-sake, your singing to the choir?nobody here supports what it stands for but just because it isnt vindicate doesn?t mean there are Capitalistic motives involved with its existence?which is what I was gearing that specific response too. IF you think there is, then mention them---don?t go off on some Bush is the devil rant. America is just as split when it comes to politics as Canada is. The DEA existed longbefore Bush ever came into power even if they did have a hand in this Overgrow incedent.
Go preach that ?choose action? ?not excuses? to the Canadians in this thread that failed to mention anything other than American influence for the injustice done too these websites. An injustice that is protected by the First Amendment here in the States.


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