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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: sever]
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No reasonable judge would allow information about someone's drug usage or dealing as national security intelligence. It just won't happen.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Redstorm]
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u know many of those?
imo reasonable people know better then to become a judge...

btw:
how many friggin times do i have to warn you people?
i fucking toldya didnt i?

dont expect the situation to improve wile you sit there and do nothing.
how can we expect anything else when we fail to do so much as even voice our opposition?


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
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is it possible to do a mass back up? something like the folding team? im not to server savy but it seems we should be able to each take on a bit of the server as a back up. i NEED the shroomery and am willing to take part in such a thing if its possible.
this topic is something that needs to be stickied in every part of this forum. our unknown science can not die. we've got to create, evolve and pass it on.
i would even like to see overgrow have their own section on our server, they are just as important as we are to the culture we represent.
my outrage is only secondary to my sadness. we cant let the info die.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Vertigo6911]
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I do know many reasonable judges.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Redstorm]
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No offence, but having OG apart of this server sounds incredibly(sp?) risky .. or just plain stupid!
I feel what your saying, and understand where your coming from.
But the minute they take a real stab at mushrooms, means the end of more then just a web site!
I for one would vote NO, for something like that.
I don't think we need to be drawing attention to ourselves at this point.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: kiss]
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kiss said:
No offence, but having OG apart of this server sounds incredibly(sp?) risky .. or just plain stupid!
I feel what your saying, and understand where your coming from.
But the minute they take a real stab at mushrooms, means the end of more then just a web site!
I for one would vote NO, for something like that.
I don't think we need to be drawing attention to ourselves at this point.


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as sad as it is the OG is down, we DONT want to risk the shroomery to suit them,  we're a mycological site.. There are tons of cannabis sites to take over and/or share with perserving the OG legacy

And about the general paranoia this has caused us, yes its tragic, yes we should have been more careful and yes anyone thats been here before has seen similar issues that caused site wide panic .. This is the third MAJOR scare thats ive seen personally

One thing i can say about the admins here is... tho they dont make tons of moneys of us, they still run this as a business..  they are VERY professional when it comes to the legalities ( even tho in doing so they sometimes get a lot of flack from the members)..  they love the sites as much or more then we do,  and they are VERY intelligent people! They are ALWAYS looking out for our best interest...  something we need to remember when they lock a post because of content.. Or even before by not giving them a post that needs locked! :thumbdown:

we also need to understand... this board is NOT a private community. Its world wide.  To much info can very well be your downfall,  being too trusting with trading, posting too much personal info, showing those prime pics while setting on a full grow in process etc.

In 6 months the scare will be over and forgotten.. there will be a new group of newbies in here putting themselves and the site at risk, and until another tragedy nothing will be thought about it, BUT when another black cloud floats over us, we will be thinking " wow why in the hell did i post that, show that, tell that.

WISE UP NOW PEOPLE.

Again, its sad that OG is gone, same with the hive..  but im no grower and clandestine labs just isnt my scene ( tho i admit if legal i would have a couple nice white widow x stonehenge plants in my living room lol ),  but i am a mycologist, thats my passion ..  and I believe in protecting your own...  and i consider the Shroomery my home!


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: ChromeCrow]
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I see the downfall of Overgrow as a lesson imo. We all need to work together overcome this setback. the Canadian and American goverment are trying to get our panties in a bundle and scare us. I for one, will not let them fuck me with a rusty spoon while I sit back and take it.

In a few years Bush will be gone, hopfully we'll get a more left wing president in this country and shit will start to look up.


however, I am still laughing that an excuse such as this "drugs fund terrorism" thats just fucking hilarious. I mean, it could be true to some extent, but thats more or less the shittiest claim ever. just to scare patriotic americans even more. "oh no, if my son buys a dime bag, hes promoting Osama to perform another act of terrorism" thats rich. I'm LoLing for real.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: jben]
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now that overgrow is down....what are some other good marijuana growing/info sites are there? thanks!

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: BLuEFroG]
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Ok, let's say the cops get a warrant somehow, (The possible grounds for the police to get a warrant for Overgrow in the first place are a mystery to me) and take Overgrow's servers apart, finding all our IPs, then what?


Don't they have a bit more than our IP's tho? Can't they get hold of the paypal records of who bought seeds and track down your credit card?

Would that be enough to raid your house?

I can even imagine the cops offering the owners of these sites a deal, give us the details of who you sold to and we'll go easier on your sentencing. I remember when the research chemicals bust happened pondman got 410 years while Micheal Burton, the owner of American Research Chemicals, gave up the details of all his customers and only got 14 years.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: browndustin]
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browndustin said:
Are you to say that America hasn't been the least bit influencial? We're certainly aware that it's Canadians that are doing this right now, but we've been pretty damn relaxed in the past. I mean, we've been taxing these seed businesses for the past 10 years with absolutely NO quarral up until now. America's getting tighter and tighter every day, with the exception of tolerence for medicinal application in a few states.


what I'm saying is, if canada suffers from legal envy then canadians need to
make a stand before it's too late, America can tighten up on the laws all they
want and that affects canada in what way? Canada is a soveriegn country, you
are not a territory/protectorate of the US, sure america can cut off trade
with canada but how badly is that going to affect your economy, an initial down
swing until you realize that trade with mexico involves a ship going out 12
miles, and then back in another 12... Canada can almost cripple the US, remeber
that shit the US has pushed through the canadian wilderness, something that
was probably protested for most of the 70's? The pipeline? What about our
access to alaska? Nancy Reagan started the campaign, now canadians needs to
reapply it for their own ends... JUST SAY NO to the USA.



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I'm just as disappointed as the next Canadian that we're losing this battle when we've come so far. Have you ever spoken with people like Jack Layton before? He wants to legalize marijuana or at least bring in more sane laws to the house. Lots of NDP leaders like my local MP have less harsh opinions on marijuana laws.


there are plenty of people here that want to do the same, cops, judges, senators
congressmen and the list keeps going, why do you think it hasnt happened yet?
it's not america that stops it in canada, it's canadian people and government
officials, under the current canadian laws posession of 30+ grams of marijuana
result in a criminal charge, under the new bill that amount will be reduced to
a mere 15 grams... canada is moving backwards! obviously lawmakers like
Jack Layton arent doing much to stop it if the penalties are becoming stiffer


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I don't know why but I'm sensing a lot of resentment in your posts? We're fully aware that it was Canadian police that had arrested the website owners and seized their servers. What we're all hoping is that above all, they're prosecuted under Candian laws which are still far less severe. The whole shitstorm is that we don't want OUR Canadians prosecuted under YOUR American laws. We don't want them prosecuted at all. But you know what I'm saying, right? These guys aren't crooks under our law. How could they be? They've been paying their taxes, they're law abiding citizens...


according to canadian laws, all parts of the the plant is illegal that includes
seeds, certainly they are not crooks but they are criminals under canadian law
or else the charges couldnt be levied against them in canada, a common
misconception of canadians is that our laws are more harsh, they're virtualy the
same and in some cases more severe, did you know that if you are caught
importing or exporting illegal drugs to/from canada you very well could serve
life in prison? ( link- cfdp.ca/law.htm)

full text of the current canadian drug laws
laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-38.8/index.html

the US drug laws
usdoj.gov/dea/agency/csa.htm

stop fooling yourselves, we're both in the same boat flying different flags at each end.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Darkcloud]
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Lunatik said:
Nah, RC didn't allow credit card purchases on seeds (smart move). However, he did allow paypal payments on OG subscriptions. Hopefully the pigs don't get ahold of that info...



paypal/ebay volunteers info to the police


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I still disagree with most of that for many different reasons. But I don't wanna toss opinions back and fourth cause I don't want anything to get heated. The one thing I will say is that America, or the DEA rather, is TOTALLY, 100% trying to force their laws/morals/bs onto Canadians. I was at a rally where John Walters and Karen Tandy showed up and sputtered bs for what seemed like hours. They constantly make threats about cutting off our trades and leaving Canada in the stone age. I can't beleive that this stuff flies. Then again, both Americans and Canadians hate the DEA sooooo.....

:bongload:

I think we were definitely headed in the right direction. I know that morally and socially, marijuana's far more accepted with each and every day. I don't know anyone who really has a quarrel with weed anyways? Are there any left in Canada? Apparently so... and it's our fucking RCMP. It shouldn't have come as a surprise. :frown:


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: browndustin]
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alright this definitly sux. we just try to live our lives in peace and knowledge, and these ignorant fucks strike at our peaceful community agian. I'm seriously moving to the Rockies when I graduate College. start a rebellion, offensive . we seriously have to start fighting this pricks.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: browndustin]
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Well i have been thinking about it for a while now and basically this pushed me over the edge. I am very outspoken about pot use but never thought about stepping up and doing something. I didn't like my previous major and have been thinking about political science. Well i am deffinately going into that field now and im gonna go fight the good war. I am just glad i am still at an age where i can step up and fight for my future.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
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Canada has less free speech than America.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: browndustin]
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browndustin said:
I still disagree with most of that for many different reasons. But I don't wanna toss opinions back and fourth cause I don't want anything to get heated. The one thing I will say is that America, or the DEA rather, is TOTALLY, 100% trying to force their laws/morals/bs onto Canadians. I was at a rally where John Walters and Karen Tandy showed up and sputtered bs for what seemed like hours. They constantly make threats about cutting off our trades and leaving Canada in the stone age. I can't beleive that this stuff flies. Then again, both Americans and Canadians hate the DEA sooooo.....

:bongload:

I think we were definitely headed in the right direction. I know that morally and socially, marijuana's far more accepted with each and every day. I don't know anyone who really has a quarrel with weed anyways? Are there any left in Canada? Apparently so... and it's our fucking RCMP. It shouldn't have come as a surprise. :frown:


Perhaps you should take responsibility for your own government and attempt to change it instead of bitching about the U.S.'s influence.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: gourmetgrower]
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gourmetgrower said:
What a month -- first Winchester Arms goes out of business, then Overgrow! All the monoliths of American Culture are falling!!!

Walgreens will be the next to go.


I think that Winchester is just closing one of their large plants and ceasing the production of three rifles. I just saw something about it at Ye Olde Store O' Projectiles today.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
browndustin said:
I still disagree with most of that for many different reasons. But I don't wanna toss opinions back and fourth cause I don't want anything to get heated. The one thing I will say is that America, or the DEA rather, is TOTALLY, 100% trying to force their laws/morals/bs onto Canadians. I was at a rally where John Walters and Karen Tandy showed up and sputtered bs for what seemed like hours. They constantly make threats about cutting off our trades and leaving Canada in the stone age. I can't beleive that this stuff flies. Then again, both Americans and Canadians hate the DEA sooooo.....

:bongload:

I think we were definitely headed in the right direction. I know that morally and socially, marijuana's far more accepted with each and every day. I don't know anyone who really has a quarrel with weed anyways? Are there any left in Canada? Apparently so... and it's our fucking RCMP. It shouldn't have come as a surprise. :frown:


Perhaps you should take responsibility for your own government and attempt to change it instead of bitching about the U.S.'s influence.


This is the Canadian mentatility? I lived in Canada for 2 years of my young adult life?I was born in Switzerland so you could consider myself a non-biased party when it comes to this issue.  Where are the servers located for the Shroomery---GangaTalk, DMT lycelium etc?  If all the domestic drug-related servers were seized and then the Canadian websites shortly followed, I might consider this argument?This  type of thing (going after forums) would never transpire in the U.S. unless there was some type of terror network involvement.  Whether or not US is trying to "force" the laws upon Canada, Walters and Kandy dont have any authority over international trade relations---Im not going to accept the arguement that Canada was stupid eneough to buy into that bullshit....Lets stop a Billion dollar trade relationship because of some pro MJ rally's.         

If the US did ?influence? Canadian officials to the point where they would manipulate legislation, they I would consider Canada a very weak society?I however know this is not true because Canadians make certain they state there ?Independence.?  We don?t like to be compared to the French and absolutely hate to be compared to Americans. 

  Busts happen quite a bit in Canada, its just you don?t hear about them like you do with the US?The Media craves salacious stories and Death>drugs usually fits that criteria.  I know Freedom of Speech is extremely suppressed there?I wouldn?t know if the govt has a hand in censoring certain editorials but I know there isn?t a strong 2-sided outspoken voice like the stuff here.           

The US would detest Canada for legalizing Mariguana because there would be no way of monitoring the border for black market traffic---MJ is already a huge agricultural export in Alberta/the west?if anything, they would be intrigued by the thought of underground sales to the US?but, the reasons behind not legalizing has very little to do with American authority?we don?t have Jurisdiction there and Canada makes it very clear that our laws are inconsequential.  Vancouver is about as different from Montreal as San Francisco is from the bible belt, espeically when we're talking about Mediniceal use. 
     
Why isnt anything good about Canada credited towards the US?---no thats all the Canadaians...American influence can only be negative. US drug policy sux I agree, but atleast I can say the Americans are the ones to blame for electing anti-drug activists instead of falling back on the possuble influence of some other govt. 

Edited by OrizonsHorizon (02/07/06 05:55 AM)

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
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I don't agree with a lot of laws in the US. I REALLY don't agree with our foreign policy. I also don't think the populace of the states is accurately represented by our laws. I believe capitalism is our only creed, and money is the end-all-be-all of a vast majority of the shitty laws and tactics we employ. In the US, money makes the world go 'round, not the will of the people. We are bought and traded every day to the highest bidders. Until there's a popular movement with enormous financial backing, nothing will come of the rhetoric we speak.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: mediman0078]
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mediman0078 said:
I don't agree with a lot of laws in the US. I REALLY don't agree with our foreign policy. I also don't think the populace of the states is accurately represented by our laws. I believe capitalism is our only creed, and money is the end-all-be-all of a vast majority of the shitty laws and tactics we employ. In the US, money makes the world go 'round, not the will of the people. We are bought and traded every day to the highest bidders. Until there's a popular movement with enormous financial backing, nothing will come of the rhetoric we speak.


You posted this rant in the wrong thread....this "capatalism rules the world" would be more fit in a FDA conspiracy pharmacutical topic.
Whether or not the War on drugs is vindicate...the cause is certainly not greed. The Tabacco, alcohol and pharmacutical trade already yields billions a year in revenue...legalizing additional drugs would do no thes than expand the economy of this so called big business. The US is a democratic state and the people in this forum are speaking on behalf of a minority. The money govt would save from playing down the war on drugs and not needing to support thousands in jail cells on drug related charges alone would be eneough to persuade money hungry politicians. The reason why MJ and psychedelics are not legal is a combination of conventionalism and ignorance...there is no mal-intent with this area of policy especially none capitally influenced.

Edited by OrizonsHorizon (02/07/06 02:54 PM)

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