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OfflineExplosiveMango
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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5265608 - 02/05/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So I guess the question that is becoming more and more obvious is...

Why do the governments of our so-called 'free countries' believe it is acceptable to propagate a social agenda which demonizes our harmless subculture?

Why do they believe they have the right to fight a drug war when all we want is peace and understanding? Why does mainstream society simply stand by while governments carry out social, economic, and personal attacks on those of our belief system?

Clearly information mediums (such as this site) are wonderful defenses against the ignorance and misinformation our authorities feed us... but is there really nothing we can do to fight back? To cause change?

(Why is it like this and how are we going to change it?)


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5265668 - 02/05/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, years ago I was into OG.... but i stopped all that shite 'cause my nerves couldn't take it anymore.

My question is if you posted a pic and erased it, or had an account and erased it, is there any remaining record of that pic or account and the associated IPs that accessed/uploaded it??? The same goes for here.... what would erasing my account do? Would it cover me in the event of a seizure????

There aren't aluminum foil hats thick enough to ease my mind now.......


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: mediman0078]
    #5265683 - 02/05/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

My question is if you posted a pic and erased it, or had an account and erased it, is there any remaining record of that pic or account and the associated IPs that accessed/uploaded it??? The same goes for here.... what would erasing my account do? Would it cover me in the event of a seizure????


Fuck knows. All I know is I'm going through every last one of my posts and deleting the motherfuckers just to be "safe" (tho "safe" seems like a relative term at the moment)

I guess that's the big flaw in the internet. If the cops raid someplace like this they can track you down in a heartbeat.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: simtap]
    #5265746 - 02/05/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I personally wouldn't worry about a few posts on overgrow. I think they're more interested in dealing with the authors of the site and removing all of valuable information so others can't benifit from it than they are in tracking down a few people who grew a couple of plants.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: shroomsynergy]
    #5265780 - 02/05/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ShrOOmSynEgry said:

so why dont we all vote against these bullshit laws????

I'll tell you why. It's because it doesn' matter worth a FUCK if we vote one way or the other.

.............but fuck this shit. i wish some of us here would actually fucking vote, and make laws PRO-GROWERS.




Uh, so what were you trying to say?  Take a step back my brother, the sky is not falling (yet)!  I do vote, and I write my senators and district representatives whenever there is an upcomming vote on drug policy and subsequently again if they vote against a drug policy that I am in favor of.  If we all had an attitude like yours, you are correct we wouldn't get anywhere!  Thankfully some people are willing to take the personal initiative to WORK for change.  It won't happen overnight, but if people hadn't been dedicating their time and resources, we wouldn't have so many states with medical marijuana laws today. 

I believe that once a solid majority of states enact medical marijuana laws, it would only make sense that the federal government would eventually have to conceed to the people's choice.  You can be cynical and say no, that there is a conspiracy and the fed's will hold their power grip over our nation for all time, but I won't believe it -- I can't believe it -- because then I'd be as complacent in my inaction as it seems you are.  Negative propaganda seems to have blinded many, but that doesn't mean you still can't help those fighting against this hypocritical drug war and create some change!

Here are some websites that I suggest anyone interested in fighting for positive change join, contribute to, and participate in.  Most of 'em even take much of the legwork out of the fight and will email you whenever there are local events / voting matters that could use your support!  Come on guys 'n gals, take a few minutes:

Now get to work!! :whip:

Things in You Can Do in Your Community:

Discuss the issues with other interested people 
There might be several like-minded groups of people in your local area or discussing the issues online. 

Table at Events     
You can set up a table at public events and provide information on the issue.  This is also a great chance to meet like-minded people, talk to them about their concerns and coordinate. 

Distribute Flyers and Put up Posters   
You can print out materials and distribute them to friends and the public in order to raise awareness about issues.
   
Write a Letter to the Editor     
You can write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper and express your opinion about issues that are being covered (or are noticeably absent). Your letter might very well be printed in the "Letters to the Editor" section, which is the second-most read feature in a newspaper.

Meet with your Elected Representatives
You can meet with elected officials or their representatives and tell them what you think about a certain issue or bill, and to try to get him or her to take action on that issue.   

Join a Demonstration
All across the country people are showing their disproval of government policies by peacefully demonstrating.  You can join these gatherings and add your voice.   

Vote
You can vote for candidates who share your belief in a safe and free society.  To find out a candidate's voting record, please visit the ACLU's National Freedom Scorecard. 

Start a Letter-Writing Campaign   
Recruit friends and others to write letters to Members of Congress and the State House/Senate on key issues.

Organize a public event     
You can organize public events (such as rallies, speaking forums, town hall meetings, and concerts) to raise awareness about the issues and perhaps even raise funds.  By gathering interesting speakers and cool activities (music, dancing, etc.), you not only recruit new members, but you may also get media attention. 

Volunteer     
By volunteering at one of the above organizations you are not only contributing significantly to the work that needs to be done, you also develop great experience and gain tremendous knowledge about the issues.

Get a Resolution Passed in Your Community 
Many communities around the country have passed resolutions indicating their commitment to defend civil liberties. These resolutions show politicians at all levels believe that civil liberties must be preserved and that it is possible to be both safe and free.



We are still free to fight for our freedom
so channel your negative energy towards positive change


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: dalmonk]
    #5265787 - 02/05/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There SHould be some type of Rendezvous setup...perhaps through here or even better, erowid where members of Overgrow can report any type of suspicous activity regarding law enforcement persuing cultivators based on the seized information. Im sure atleast 75% of the members at Overgrow were US citizens which means Canadians would need to pass on info to the DEA for them to start doing anything here. That being said, Canadians would be the first to go---theres some extra redtape inbetween everybody else.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: barfightlard]
    #5265788 - 02/05/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

bellylard said:
Sad day for Canada. Sounds like the US is having all sortf of fun with their new buddy up here in Canada.




canada need to accept responsibility for it's own screw ups, from the charges
levied against them, it's canadians that made the arrests, it's canadas laws they
are being prosecuted under, this is not americas doing, it's canadas

we also do not come to canada and sell guns, canadians come to america to buy them


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5266166 - 02/05/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Are you to say that America hasn't been the least bit influencial? We're certainly aware that it's Canadians that are doing this right now, but we've been pretty damn relaxed in the past. I mean, we've been taxing these seed businesses for the past 10 years with absolutely NO quarral up until now. America's getting tighter and tighter every day, with the exception of tolerence for medicinal application in a few states.

I'm just as disappointed as the next Canadian that we're losing this battle when we've come so far. Have you ever spoken with people like Jack Layton before? He wants to legalize marijuana or at least bring in more sane laws to the house. Lots of NDP leaders like my local MP have less harsh opinions on marijuana laws.

I don't know why but I'm sensing a lot of resentment in your posts? We're fully aware that it was Canadian police that had arrested the website owners and seized their servers. What we're all hoping is that above all, they're prosecuted under Candian laws which are still far less severe. The whole shitstorm is that we don't want OUR Canadians prosecuted under YOUR American laws. We don't want them prosecuted at all. But you know what I'm saying, right? These guys aren't crooks under our law. How could they be? They've been paying their taxes, they're law abiding citizens...


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5266184 - 02/05/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why do they worry so much about people having a joint now and then.. People have smoked it for thousands of years why worry about things like a plant. The plant is more popular then the Politicians thats why they are trying to stop it


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
    #5266242 - 02/05/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

why does overgrow still pop up whenever i search something on google ?

i mean i wont click it, but it pops up, whats about this ?
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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Dr_Mcgillicuddy]
    #5266292 - 02/05/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Prisoner, Canadians cant buy hand guns from Americans anymore because there is a hand gun ban that suddenly stops hand guns from being in canada once they put out that law the hand guns all suddenly vanished and Criminals lined up to turn there guns in. **SARCASTIC JOKE***


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: ohmatic]
    #5266302 - 02/05/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Google is an indexing engine. The pages you find in Google were indexed days, weeks, sometimes months ago. The results are going to show up in google for several months to come, even if overgrow never goes online again.


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: geokills]
    #5266417 - 02/05/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I heard about this in one of my myspace forums [the dreaded cult... i know] and god was I infuriated. I still am. I'm trying t figure out something to do/ organize so that our community can fight this violations of rights. Its not i violation to talk about something! We aren't f***ing communists, here. What we see and talk about are NOT nessesarily what we do. The guy who was selling seeds I can understand, angry as I am at that. This, however, is total BS.

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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: bleedingsky99]
    #5266447 - 02/05/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They were one the same server. Ever heard the hand of one is the hand of all?


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Anno]
    #5266453 - 02/05/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

no matter how safe a website like overgrow or shroomery is there is always a chance no matter how small that the government will raid it and seize the servers putting all the users ips and thus there addresses right in the cops hands. thats the chance we take for openly saying we do something illegal where anyone can see it there will always be some risks.but personally its a risk I'm willing to take


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: shroominghell]
    #5266492 - 02/05/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You could always not say you do something illegal too.

Leave it to growers who enjoy better laws in their country to post grows and such..


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: simtap]
    #5266548 - 02/05/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

simtap said:
Did these sites sell by creditcard? If so the cops now have the names and addresses of everyone who ordered from there. Assuming the cops do start raiding customers what offence have you commited by ordering from a site like this? Or is this offence only if you are caught in possession?




Nah, RC didn't allow credit card purchases on seeds (smart move). However, he did allow paypal payments on OG subscriptions. Hopefully the pigs don't get ahold of that info...


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5266557 - 02/05/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This is something I pulled off of the Google Cache posted in 2003 on Overgrow.com
Quote:

The following is a rough rant on Security and Overgrow.com. I need to get some more info from the feds and lawyers who deal specifically with Internet issues - this article will be much improved over time.

I have seen the same concern popping up again and again:
Is Overgrow safe? Can LEO get my IP?

Q: Is LEO actively trying to gather info on Overgrow members?
A: Probably. Does it much matter? Not really.

Be assured that the DEA, RCMP and various other agencies, have the time and money to hire some very intelligent people with almost infinite resources when it comes to hacking and Internet sleuthing in general. If they want your IP, with few exceptions, they will get it.

Q: "Does this put me at any kind of risk":?
A: I will say that you are 99% safe, even if they find out your ip and track you.

How can this be?

1. Hacking is illegal.
Courts will not tolerate police doing illegal things to gain evidence to be used in a trial proper. The reason that you see cases thrown out of court for search violations is often due to defense lawyers attacking and quashing a warrant.

However, if a cop taps your phone, searches your house or goes through your banking records with no warrant at all, then that is an even more egregious and illegal violation of basic rights and the evidence gained (and all subsequent evidence flowing from that) will never see the inside of a courtroom.

2. A warrant would be required to gain access to a server's records, (to gain useful information for) an investigation or prosecution. (I've got a funny feeling that should that happen here, we might hear about it.)

Ok, let's say the cops get a warrant somehow, (The possible grounds for the police to get a warrant for Overgrow in the first place are a mystery to me) and take Overgrow's servers apart, finding all our IPs, then what?

The police now have an IP. Whose IP? Apparently someone, somewhere, who has access to that computer with that IP has been claiming that they grow marijuana.

Which person? Is that person, who has been using that computer under an alias, reliable? Maybe it's a lot of bullshit boasting. And what about those pictures? Who do they belong to? Is it really that mysterious person's house (what house? - the house with the IP / ISP registration or is the grow somewhere else?)

....See where I'm going here?


Imagine if you were the cop showing up with a blank warrant before a judge - To Search: "mystery person" at "mystery location" for "fourth party, unconfirmed anonymous tip"

3. The information on the Overgrow server is effectively an anonymous tip since the source of the information (an unknown entity behind a keyboard at a particular IP) cannot be established to be credible or even properly known.

It was explained by both myself and our American legalists that anonymous tips are not enough for a warrant because the origin of the tip could not be established to be credible.

Even if the police magically obtain a warrant for Overgrow, they still have to get another warrant for you. There is no real possibility that they will get a warrant for YOU since they have no clue who YOU are or where your grow is.

There are also cross-jurisdictional issues here since this server is somewhere in Canada.

4. Now here's what the cops can do. Once they have gathered enough legitimate evidence that you are growing (in the real world) (Smell, hydro bills, pictures of you carrying christmas tree sized plants out your door) then they will come in and, with a warrant, seize your computer and use whatever they find on it in your prosecution. But then so what? By that point your fun is over anyway.

Police do illegal things all the time, my point is that it will not get them very far. You will have to have screwed up in the real world first.




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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down by CA Polic [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5266563 - 02/05/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Anyways, I'm still shocked that OG is history. I was just thinking, "I wonder if <insert random fert> will work well on cannabis seeds? I'll just log onto OG and...OH WAIT. It's GONE..."

We can't let this happen again. OG had MANY years of creativity and info in it's database. I'm hoping that the Shroomery admins make a complete backup and have someone available to relocate it all to a brand new server...in the event that this place comes down...


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Re: Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Co, & Eurohemp.com Shut Down in Canada [Re: browndustin]
    #5266675 - 02/05/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Regardless of U.S. influence, either the Canadian gov't or the citizens need to stand up for themselves. It's real easy to blame your southern neighbor, but does absolutely nothing towards helping matters in your own country.


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