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Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'...
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In regard to only allowing topics on the classic psychedelic drugs to be posted there... There are threads about the classic psychedelic drugs that are currently in 'Other Drugs Discussion'. Shouldn't they be moved to 'The Psychedelic Experience'? Having these threads located in 'Other Drugs' is compromising to the website, especially for new members, who would never think to look for such threads in that forum in light of the new rule.

The most active thread is this one: Recent LSD Prints?


A simple search in 'Other Drugs' for relevant keywords such as lsd, mescaline, and chinacat72 will show many other threads that could be considered for relocation.

Another popular example: LSD-Crystal to Blotter

I also think The "Thumbprint", which is currently located in The Pub, should be moved to 'The Psychedelic Experience', because it's obviously a more fitting forum.


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

Edited by s240779 (01/13/14 06:15 AM)

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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I will support that argument

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: DeadHearts] * 4
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I like them in ODD :tongue:


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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TPE is about the experience.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: DebuteMachine] * 3
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I don't know, I feel like threads with lots of pictures of people's LSD stashes and threads discussing things like LSD synthesis/etc. should remain in ODD where they can't be accessed as easily, due to the content that is inside them. Just my 2 cents.

I don't see any reason why the Thumbprint Thread couldn't be moved to TPE though.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Ballerium] * 1
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Then you'd have even more people to tell to "fuck off to TPE".

I endorse this idea wholeheartedly. :thumbup:

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Adden]
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chinacat's two threads are the closest thing to shroomery cannon; i say leave them where they are.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Taco Chef]
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Perhaps in the past the forums didn't have the drop-down menus (where in the 'Psychedelic' forum there are items like LSD and mushrooms; and in 'Other Drugs' there are things like opiates and amphetmaines. But now both forum have very specific uses and are distinct from one another.

I'm looking at the threads themself. I don't see the 'Other Drugs' forum to possesses significance for these threads in question, alas it disorganizes the site in this day and age.

Ballerium brought up a good point, but I encourage the administrators to meet the stipulations she expressed by not simply stuffing these LSD threads in 'Other Drugs Discussion.'


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

Edited by s240779 (01/16/14 07:34 AM)

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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TPE existed when those threads were made.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Adden] * 1
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Dystopia said:
TPE existed when those threads were made.


No it didn't.

If anything existed, it was a forum called Trip Tips, which would explain why those older threads landed elsewhere.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Taco Chef]
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Either way, novum posted my opinion on moving them anyway

Taco Chef said:
chinacat's two threads are the closest thing to shroomery cannon; i say leave them where they are.


And sorry Cerv, that was a third of my life ago.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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Taco Chef said:
chinacat's two threads are the closest thing to shroomery cannon; i say leave them where they are.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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It would be stupid to go back and move old threads. In the future, I guess you could move new threads, but it's kindof pointless.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Into The Woods]
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nooneman said:
It would be stupid to go back and move old threads. In the future, I guess you could move new threads, but it's kindof pointless.


lol, The way some people think...

Into The Woods said:
Taco Chef said:
chinacat's two threads are the closest thing to Shroomery cannon; i say leave them where they are.



Leaving threads about LSD in 'Other Drugs' when threads that are about other drugs are posted in 'TPE' are rapidly locked and moved will do nothing but cause future generations to miss out on them. Also consider the fact that the forum setup was different back when chinacat72 was posting. Did they even have the drop-down menus?

Once again, Ballerium's point above is something to take into consideration, but keeping these threads in 'Other Drugs' is not the answer.


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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you're obsessed, mayne. maybe he originally made it in ODD, because he wanted it in ODD?

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: DebuteMachine]
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Indeed, I'm concerned about other members; those of whom would find the 'Recent LSD Prints' thread useful and are missing out on it because they have no reason to go into ODD and are indeed discouraged to do so as a result of the harsh divide between the two forums. A lot of people don't even know ODD exists because they probably only look at the whole forum list when they are unregistered or after they first register, and ODD will not be visible in either of those instances. It silently apears after you've made a certain number of posts or something.


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

Edited by s240779 (01/26/14 05:30 AM)

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779] * 2
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It does exactly that. It's to protect "our members" from people who are here for undesirable reasons.

TPE and ODD are different forums for different reasons, and you should leave them that way.

I would say TPE is more directed at emotional things, whee ODD is directed at physical things.

Edit: I would also argue that you aren't trying to help anyone, you just think you're "correct" and pushing it.

Edited by DebuteMachine (01/26/14 05:31 AM)

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: DebuteMachine]
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DebuteMachine said:
It does exactly that. It's to protect "our members" from people who are here for undesirable reasons.



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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Ballerium]
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I would smash your box so.... shit, got distracted.
LEAs and underagers can register just as easily as anyone else. We're just saving ourselves from the dumbest of the dumb figuring out how to acquire the information, that's about it.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: SOLID BASTARD]
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:smilingpuppy:

You can cum over anytime Cutless.

But yeah, you do have a point.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Ballerium]
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It is more about keeping that stuff off of Google where any underrated kid could stumble upon it, and also to keep the Mods separate, not every mod wants to moderate ODD.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Rose]
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Would it be possible to code the restriction into the thread itself? So, picture it in 'The Psychedelic Experience', but it won't appear until the user's account has met the qualifications set by the administrators. And I also think an anonymous posting feature should be encoded into the thread, regardless of whether it is moved or not.


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779] * 2
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:speechless:

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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:facepalm:

I give up.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Ballerium]
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Genuine question, does it matter with old threads? Just let people know how it should be done and take the new threads from there. Make sure all threads created from this point forth are following the rules of each forum board!


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
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DatIslandLife said:
Genuine question, does it matter with old threads? Just let people know how it should be done and take the new threads from there. Make sure all threads created from this point forth are following the rules of each forum board!


I mean yeah, Da2ra is assuming we are productive people in the information classification program.

We are not.

I would also like to add the philosophy might be something like "good things come to those who wait." LSD has always been a secretive and sensitive topic if you ask me. Just look at how it's distributed around the world. I'm perfectly comfortable with this being selective information, why shove it into the main stream?

Also it's not your thread, the guy made it in ODD for a reason!!! Respect the author, bro.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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Ballerium said:
:facepalm:

I give up.


Stand back miss, I'll handle this.

Da2ra said:
In regard to only allowing topics on the classic psychedelic drugs to be posted there... There are threads about the classic psychedelic drugs that are currently in 'Other Drugs Discussion'. Shouldn't they be moved to 'The Psychedelic Experience'? Having these threads located in 'Other Drugs' is compromising to the website, especially for new members, who would never think to look for such threads in that forum in light of the new rule.

The most active thread is this one: Recent LSD Prints?


A simple search in 'Other Drugs' for relevant keywords such as lsd, mescaline, and chinacat72 will show many other threads that could be considered for relocation.

Another popular example: LSD-Crystal to Blotter

I also think The "Thumbprint", which is currently located in The Pub, should be moved to 'The Psychedelic Experience', because it's obviously a more fitting forum.


If we do it for these threads, then more threads will be brought up for relocation, then some more and some more and some more. Redo those searches you did, take the time look through the results that could plausibly be moved to TPE, tell us how long that took, and then we'll take guesses at how long it would take for a mod or two to take that kind of retroactive action.

I will give some validity to this because I see an issue relating to it that could be raised.

ODD description:
Quote:
This forum is designed to serve as a discussion forum regarding psychoactive substances that are not mushroom related. This portion of our community is meant to supplement the static information that can be found from such websites as The Vaults of Erowid and Lycaeum. Participants must have read and understand the forum guidelines prior to posting.


TPE description:
Quote:
Come here to discuss mushrooms and other natural hallucinogens. For everything to do with tripping, dosage and all your favorite alkaloids, this is your forum!


I can see an arguable issue of nomenclature as well as overlapping interests here.
"No dosage advice in ODD, so I'll just go to TPE." It's only implied that TPE is the place for trip reports, but also references natural hallucinogens, LSD is semi-synthetic, so shouldn't an LSD trip be reported on in ODD?
Just a few of the issues I could see arising there. Maybe reworking the names and descriptions of those forums may be helpful. :shrug:

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: SOLID BASTARD]
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Or perhaps it is a non-issue.

Why we would start moving some of our most popular and heavily posted threads, when they have already stood the test of time where they are is disrespectful to Shroomery history IMO.

I could have moved those threads hundreds of times by now, but it just doesn't seem right.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Rose]
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I agree. There's a lot of threads from the past that would now not be allowed since the rules were adjusted but I leave them there because it's how the forum was once before and moving them doesn't appeal to me. It's nice to look back on the forums and see how they evolved. Reminders of the past, gems in time.

It'd also piss me off if another mod dumped a billion threads in a forum I manage. Confusion of the masses would ensue as misinformation of the past was debated heavily by noobs, not knowing the thread is 8 years old.:rolleyes:


@Cutless: LSD is a well documented, relatively safe chemical to use and is the reason it's allowed in TPE. Giving dosage advice is ok really because you don't lose limbs or end up dead from LSD. You can do some crazy things on it, this also applies to mushrooms, but it doesn't kill you like the other stuff being peddled "like LSD". That's my take anyway.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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Da2ra said:
Would it be possible to code the restriction into the thread itself? So, picture it in 'The Psychedelic Experience', but it won't appear until the user's account has met the qualifications set by the administrators. And I also think an anonymous posting feature should be encoded into the thread, regardless of whether it is moved or not.


Why bother ?

DebuteMachine said:
Edit: I would also argue that you aren't trying to help anyone, you just think you're "correct" and pushing it.




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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: karode13]
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You both have made me question your reading comprehension. REMEDIAL COURSES FOR BOTH OF YOU! NOW! :crankey:

Cervantes said:
Or perhaps it is a non-issue.

Why we would start moving some of our most popular and heavily posted threads, when they have already stood the test of time where they are


karode13 said:
I agree. There's a lot of threads from the past that would now not be allowed since the rules were adjusted but I leave them there because it's how the forum was once before and moving them doesn't appeal to me. It's nice to look back on the forums and see how they evolved. Reminders of the past, gems in time.

It'd also piss me off if another mod dumped a billion threads in a forum I manage. Confusion of the masses would ensue as misinformation of the past was debated heavily by noobs, not knowing the thread is 8 years old.:rolleyes:


I'm in agreement with both points. I pointed out that it'd be a headache as well.

Cutless said:
If we do it for these threads, then more threads will be brought up for relocation, then some more and some more and some more. Redo those searches you did, take the time look through the results that could plausibly be moved to TPE, tell us how long that took, and then we'll take guesses at how long it would take for a mod or two to take that kind of retroactive action.



And here I'm pointing out what could be perceived as overlapping interests that would seem to be what is causing the issue for OP and most likely a fair amount of newbies.

Cutless said:
I will give some validity to this because I see an issue relating to it that could be raised.

ODD description:
Quote:
This forum is designed to serve as a discussion forum regarding psychoactive substances that are not mushroom related. This portion of our community is meant to supplement the static information that can be found from such websites as The Vaults of Erowid and Lycaeum. Participants must have read and understand the forum guidelines prior to posting.


TPE description:
Quote:
Come here to discuss mushrooms and other natural hallucinogens. For everything to do with tripping, dosage and all your favorite alkaloids, this is your forum!


I can see an arguable issue of nomenclature as well as overlapping interests here.
"No dosage advice in ODD, so I'll just go to TPE." It's only implied that TPE is the place for trip reports, but also references natural hallucinogens, LSD is semi-synthetic, so shouldn't an LSD trip be reported on in ODD?
Just a few of the issues I could see arising there. Maybe reworking the names and descriptions of those forums may be helpful. :shrug:


karode13 said:
@Cutless: LSD is a well documented, relatively safe chemical to use and is the reason it's allowed in TPE. Giving dosage advice is ok really because you don't lose limbs or end up dead from LSD. You can do some crazy things on it, this also applies to mushrooms, but it doesn't kill you like the other stuff being peddled "like LSD". That's my take anyway.


That was an example of perceived overlapping interest, not my own opinion. That's so obvious even :flowstone: could figure it out. I'm hurt you'd underestimate me that badly.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: SOLID BASTARD] * 1
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As Karode has explained, these forums have evolved and their rules have changed over time, but the past threads remain. This is not brain science or rocket surgery.

It is probably not going to happen any time soon if ever.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Rose]
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I'M NOT SAYING TO MOVE ANYTHING, I'M DISAGREEING WITH OP ABOUT MOVING ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE. I'M POINTING OUT THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OVERLAPPING INTERESTS BETWEEN THE FORUMS THAT COULD POSSIBLY, MAYBE, SOMEDAY BE ADDRESSED BY A SIMPLE CHANGE IN THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE FORUMS.

I QUIT THIS THREAD, I CAN'T EVEN... WHAT THE FUCK HOW IS NO ONE FOLLOWING THAT SIMPLE CHAIN OF EVENTS?!

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: SOLID BASTARD]
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WE MOVE THE THREAD TO THE PUB :crankey:

WE CLONE THE THREAD TO EVERY FORUM :crankey:

WE MAKE THIS SITE ONLY ONE THREAD, AND IT'S THAT THREAD :crankey:

Problem solved? :cookiemonster:

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: DebuteMachine]
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Stop shouting. Hurts my girl ears.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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Bumping this to emphasize that the rule of no non-traditional drugs in TPE is still strictly being enforced and many newer users of the ever-increasing Shroomery user base will never know about this thread. The idea of keeping it in ODD, so that only those who happen to bump into it, will know about it is silly and overly-restrictive. The argument that a thread that contains photos of peoples' stashes should be in a less accessible forum isn't that strong because any one who was really concerned about that would simply not post a photo of his drugs. The real solution is to move the thread to The Psychedelic Experience and code an anonymous feature into the thread. Not only will this more effectively address the privacy issue, but it will encourage many people to contribute who didn't contribute before. In light of drugs like NBOME, moving this thread to The Psychedelic experience is absolutely needed.


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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Go to another website if you do not like our rules for TPE. We are not the only one. We will let you back in any time you want. We do not care if you moonlight somewhere else.

Our reasons for the rules being how they are have not changed, and they won't change just because you do not like them.

If we ever do add to our list of approved substances, I assure you NBOMEs are far from the top of the list.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Rose]
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Rose said:
If we ever do add to our list of approved substances, I assure you NBOMEs are far from the top of the list.


Can't believe you interpreted my above post as me saying that I wanted NBOMEs to be approved for TPE...


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: s240779]
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I totally misinterpreted your last line. I read it to say we absolutely needed to move NBOME threads to TPE.

It was the first thread I read this morning. 7:30 am. Sorry. Hadn't had my coffee yet.

Again, these threads shall remain where they were made unless there is a damn good reason to move them. Those Chinacat threads belong in a museum. They have thrived where they are. Same with the blotter thread. Although, I would not mind if another was made in TPE, it seems wrong to move such a proven thread to a new home.

Changing the code for the forum, as you suggest, is beyond my ability. It also complicates how the forum works. Since TPE is a forum visited mostly by noobs, I like to keep it as simple as possible.

Anyway, I am happy to keep discussing this, and sorry for misreading your post. I promise, my eyes had just opened.

Aloha,
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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Rose]
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Can't you just dupe the thread, move one to TPE and lock it?

You're right, it does belong in a museum. Both subforums can benefit from it equally, but both can't be accessed equally.

Unless I'm reading thangs wrong.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Adden] * 1
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Yeah, I was getting confused too, clearly.

Your suggestion would require coding and I do not know how high this project would be on the priority list. I know fuck all about code.

I think the simplest solution, at least for now, would be to make another thread in TPE and link to the original in the OP. Those who can see it can. Those who can't will need to wait.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Rose]
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Sounds legit.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Adden]
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I can respect the museum/tradition thing but "Recent LSD Prints" is a tool that allows people to get a sense of the legitamacy of their purchases and a sense of what to look for and any related info.

edit

Actually, I don't think the category that a thread is in has much to do with tradition and as Rose conveyed in an earlier post, some of those Chinacat threads might be in ODD because there was no general psychedelia forum, the closes one being a forum called "Trip Tips." Leaving the Chinacat threads in ODD does nothing but compromise the integrity of the website. But whatever. The only one I'm focusing on is Recent LSD Prints.


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

Edited by s240779 (05/19/14 02:35 PM)

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Like I said, make a thread in TPE and link to the original in the OP. I will not lock it.

If any coding has to be done, it will not be by me. I do not know how, nor do I have access to do so even if I did. I doubt it would be a high priority.

So... the quickest, simplest solution would be to make another thread. We do not move years old epic threads from their places of origin. Like it or don't.

Everything I said in this post is a repeat of things I have already said today.


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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: Rose]
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I forgot about this thread. I amuse me sometimes.

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Re: Now that we're strictly enforcing the rule about 'The Psychedelic Experience'... [Re: SOLID BASTARD]
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Heh. A fond, "Fuck you" to you sir. The fondest.

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