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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Xochitl]
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OTD is not an extra forum, in the beginning, there were maybe 5 forums, and OTD was one of them. It was the most popular even then. There were only a handful of us posting then, and it had a wild and aggressive spirit to it even then.

Those with complaints about OTD aren't even the people who enjoy the place.

"Those OTD kids are a bunch of childish jerks. Let's prove how much more mature we are by taking their favourite place away from them, and then telling them the more they try to voice their opinion and let the administration know how they feel, the less likely they are to get it back."

Is the Shroomery honestly in financial trouble? I had heard that the advertising profits were able to cover the costs. Perhaps I was misinformed.



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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Muppet]
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My post was not a flame as it was not directed toward any individual. Nor was it particularly negative man. Perhaps you mistook what was essentially a concise statement for something else. My post possessed no qualities that have lead to the closure of OTD (namely flames, post-whoring, off-topic chatting). There are no rules against concise statements of opinion.


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As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.

-Donald Rumsfeld 2/2/02 Pentagon

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Xochitl]
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I appreciate what you are saying


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I don't...

I found that whole "kill OTD" comment to reek of the very same negativity that OTD was apparently being put on trial for. There are many other much more tactful ways that such an opinion could be expressed...and I find Xochitl's lack of tact to not only be in bad taste, but also disrespectful of those of us that held OTD in higher regards. If there truely is going to be any real changes made, then it has to begin with everyone - and not just the people that seem to be at the root of the problems (e.g. all of us so called immature negativity-spewing OTD regulars that caused all the problems in the first place)





I was talking to Mr Mushrooms, damn that quick reply.

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there is such a place: http://thedarkunderbelly.com/phpbb/
go there.



I am there but I also am here. Are you saying I should only post there? That's a pretty bad attitude if you ask me. After all, I am not even one of the ones who ever posted anything in OTD that is considered by some to be in bad taste. I don't have to be shepherded off to another website, I am a Shroomery member, and quite proud of it thank you very much for your concern though.


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Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=42&Number=7342616&page=0&fpart=all


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Lightningfractal]
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you dont have to only post there. just only post your flaming-hello.jpg-racist-negative-jibberjabber-bickering there. did i dwell on that too much, forgive. otherwise post as much as you please in any of the forums here.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Lightningfractal]
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Are you saying I should only post there?



No, I only suggested posting there (if you want the type of discussion that OTD once offered). Please do not put words in my mouth. I am glad you have found a home at the Shroomery and I hope you continue to post here :thumbup:


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Infrared]
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Most of the people who are in power now seem to be pretty out of touch with the spirit of the original Shroomery.

A long, long time ago, it used to be the Shroomery vs. alt.drugs.mushrooms.

The Shroomery was the fun loving, wacky, adventurous crowd, and a.d.m was the uptight, easily offended, more-enlightened-than-thou crowd. Eventually newsgroups became obsolete, and the uptight folks all moved into the Shroomery.

The two sides seemed to live together in harmony until recently. The uptight people ended up being the ones in power. They decided it was time to get rid of the wild and rowdy kids once and for all.

So here we are.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Phluck]
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OTD is not an extra forum, in the beginning, there were maybe 5 forums, and OTD was one of them. It was the most popular even then. There were only a handful of us posting then, and it had a wild and aggressive spirit to it even then.



Yes, I remember - I have been freqenting the Shroomery since 1998. However, we are talking about today. If you remember, extra forums were created to help spread out the discussion, rendering the OTD we are all familiar with.

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"Those OTD kids are a bunch of childish jerks. Let's prove how much more mature we are by taking their favourite place away from them, and then telling them the more they try to voice their opinion and let the administration know how they feel, the less likely they are to get it back."



Who said that? Not me, not deepblue, not mr mushrooms.


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As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.

-Donald Rumsfeld 2/2/02 Pentagon

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Xochitl]
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That was meant to be satirical.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the "if the OTD kids behave themselves they can get it back" statement someone made.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Infrared]
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just only post your flaming-hello.jpg-racist-negative-jibberjabber-bickering there



What? I don't support those things per se. I support a forum where you can post how you feel like posting without feeling like big brother is watching with his finger on the ban button. OTD seemed to come closer to that than any other forums I have seen. I don't post any of that type of stuff myself. But I like to enjoy freedom in posting. Some people may like to celebrate freedom in posting by posting things like that, but not I. Nevertheless, do not remove the freedom just because there exists morons in the world. mmkay?


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Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=42&Number=7342616&page=0&fpart=all


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Phluck]
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exactly where are we?? i dont feel geo or papaver is uptight in the least bit. my personal oppinion is that there were some annoying kids in otd. i can tell when i am talking to some 14 yr old knowitall, and i have met a few in otd. there are a lot of members of otd that are perfectly fine, you seem to be one of them. this isnt the end of the world, otd will be back in some way,shape, or form soon enough.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Lightningfractal]
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I'm sorry you feel that the "big brother" is keeping you down. dont know what to tell you, but i never had a problem speaking my mind as long as i didnt do it in an obscene obnoxious way. and i was making a genral statement about what goes on in otd. i wasnt saying it was all you that posts such stuff


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Lightningfractal]
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Freedom of speech is wonderful and essential in the real world, but this is a privately-owned website whose owners are footing the bill for such continuous posting. Emotional attachment aside, this is not a public space.


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As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.

-Donald Rumsfeld 2/2/02 Pentagon

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Infrared]
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"my personal oppinion is that there were some annoying kids in otd. i can tell when i am talking to some 14 yr old knowitall, and i have met a few in otd."

Don't talk to them then. There's even an "Ignore User" feature. I don't see how not liking some of the users is justification for ruining their playspace.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Xochitl]
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"Freedom of speech is wonderful and essential in the real world, but this is a privately-owned website whose owners are footing the bill for such continuous posting. Emotional attachment aside, this is not a public space. "

I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if they were considering turning the Shroomery into a beastiality site.

Obviously OTD was not your favorite forum. Nobody was forcing you to post there, or read the threads.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Infrared]
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There are specific rules in most forums. I like having a forum where I can speak my mind, get loose, say "fuck you" (with love) to a mod or an admin if I feel the situation requires it etc. etc. Just like if in real life you might drink my last beer and I might say "fuck you dude you're runnin' for beer now FoO! Shit like that flies at the OTD, just like in real life.

Most forums have rules that make it impossible to communicate as you normally would. That's ok, but if one were to just speak their mind any kind of way in those forums they would be eventually banned.
We NEED one good forum where we can be ourselves.

I didn't mean to compare the mods to big brother, I have never had a big problem with any of the mods here. I just feel that they start to seem like big brother when I can't have a place to post freely. And post freely HERE, the place I love.....

The Shroomery

That is all.


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Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=42&Number=7342616&page=0&fpart=all


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Phluck]
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haha, i didnt ruin their playspace. like i have mentioned before, i had absolutely zero to do with this project. i posted in otd from time to time, but i didnt campaigned against it. but after talking to the admins about the plan, i stand behind them. besides watching everyone throw a fit the other day didnt make me want to help them any. all i can say is change is good, trust me or not youll find out soon enough


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Lightningfractal]
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Lightningfractal said:
I like having a forum where I can speak my mind, get loose, say "fuck you"


We're working on it... :smirk:

I think we have a workable solution, and you will probably stumble across it within 48 hours or less... :wink:


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Phluck]
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I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if they were considering turning the Shroomery into a beastiality site.


Yes I would. Please do not make assumptions.

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Obviously OTD was not your favorite forum. Nobody was forcing you to post there, or read the threads.


Never said there was any sort of coercion involved. I stand by the administration because they are the ones paying the bills and doing plenty of hardwork behind the scenes, and have every right as property owners to make changes to the website as they see fit. If they were to make changes I would disagree with, I would simply move onto the next psychedelic culture messageboard.


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As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.

-Donald Rumsfeld 2/2/02 Pentagon

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Papaver]
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Excellent Papaver! Thanks!


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Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=42&Number=7342616&page=0&fpart=all


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Xochitl]
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It's not like I don't think that the admins have the right to do what they want. I think I even stated that in the first post I ever made on this topic.

I just think that since they were chosen by the founders of the Shroomery to carry the torch years after the Shroomery had established itself as a community, they have a certain responsibility to maintain the spirit of the original site, and to cater to the users of the site.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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