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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Phluck]
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yes he has
I move for an immediate reinstation OTD
back the way it was,with all the posts that were there originally
when it was taken down!



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"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: geokills]
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The creator of the website and the community has spoken yet you still don't listen. Talk about nazi leadership. I'd like to see you make a post as detailed as Ythan's explaining all of your standpoints on the situation. I think you can't because as we all know...only a select few want OTD changed. I used to think you were a really cool person but I've lost much respect for you. I hope you can find love in your heart once again.

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: BOBs]
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used to think you were a really cool person but I've lost much respect for you



I think alot of people feel this way.

I like GEO but I think this "experiment" was a bunch of crap


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"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: BOBs]
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BOBs, shit man - keep an open mind. I've spent countless hours keeping an eye on everything that has been said and is being discussed here. Just chill until Monday. I know Ythan is making his statements because he wants the same that I do - that is, keeping the most people happy. I am not blowing off what he is saying by any means, and I know he knows this. In fact, if you are considering the length of his statement as any measure of applicability - then I should win in that event because of the sheer number of opinions I have thrown up for discussion.

Simply because I am chosing to keep this matter amongst the staff for the time being does not mean that I am not being as objective as possible. I only wish to have a reasonable set of options before we involve the public or else it will continue on as an "Us Vs. Them" type argument as opposed to a rational presentation of many possibilities and trying to decide which one would suit the most people. My intentions are genuine and it is my belief that there are far more people who support this experiment that simply choose to stay out of it. The bottom line is the OTD crowd here is the most vocal so it's to be expected that these threads would primarily be fed with people fighting for their forum. For example, I've seen windex speak out against what OTD has become.. but he's not hammering it home by any means. Just because he made one comment about it and any given OTD frequent makes ten times as many doesn't mean that his opinion doesn't carry as much weight as the other.

Personally, I feel Ythan would support the move to take this discussion public this coming week instead of taking quick and rash action in order to see what the overall concensus really is. You should have learned from the hobby this site is dedicated to... patience is key.


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Edited by geokills (11/21/03 03:05 PM)

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: BOBs]
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/me kisses Bobs on da nose :P

Ythan, you diplomatic devil :smile:  Im glad what I heard were lies....  when are you gonna put us all out of our misery and get the server back from these "people"?

Im glad you finally spoke.  Im glad you cleared up that it wasnt about money or resources.  Im glad that you are still the you I thought you were. :smile:  Im glad somewhere, this place is still what I thought it was.  Too bad it has been killed for all intents and purposes.

That is all.

Good luck shroomery.



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Edited by PsiloKitten (11/21/03 03:14 PM)

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: ]
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:smile: Bom and I were just wondering exactly how you felt on the whole ordeal, thank-you for speaking up, it somehow makes me feel better.  I know I've been feeling incredable displaced and almost homeless, OTD was a home away from home for me, it had been for years, I posted in the other forms too, but OTD was home.  Neither Bom nor I have said anything about all the new drama, because well its just drama and I'm personally afraid of being banned for voicing opinion at this point.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Gillette]
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Gillette said:
I'm personally afraid of being banned for voicing opinion at this point. 

  :frown: I hate to see people feeling this way.  Our goal is not to outright censor the community.  You will never get banned for speaking your mind unless you choose to voice your opinion in an inappropriate matter by flooding on-topic forums or by some other means of protest that degrades or attempts to undermine the site.  Come Monday, I emplore you and everyone else with a say in the matter to make their voices heard in a final discussion thread.  Can't tell you where it's going to be yet, but rest assured the entire membership will be notified.

edit: rephrasing
   


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Edited by geokills (11/21/03 03:13 PM)

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: geokills]
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You are unbelieveable.

:razz:


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: geokills]
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Personally that's what you feel Ythan supports eh? I guess I must have completely misunderstood him when he said this.

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What?s my recommendation? Open OTD again, now, before we piss of more people. If you don?t like the tone of that forum, then make positive posts and replies and lead by example. Remember that our members should dictate the BB?s policies and everything we do should be in their interest. If OTD is distressing to you, don?t read it.



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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: joe666]
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I just discovered this post and though I am relatively new to the community I would like to add my opinion.

First off, I do not spend most of my time in OTD. Rather, I am evenly split between many forums, OTD probably occupying the least amount of my time at the Shroomery.

If I have gotten all the information from this post correct it would seem that there are many different reasons for the hopefully temporary closing of OTD. One of them happens to be for those members who "can't stand it and view it as a blight on the community." If the statistics I have read about OTD are true (the one's that state OTD takes up %40 of the posts out of all of the forums) then it would seem that those who enjoy OTD vastly outnumber those who don't.

If people do not like OTD then they can simply choose to ignore it. They are not being forced to view any post there, and if people want to be stupid, childish and ignorant this is their right. Many people may not like it, but it is also those people's right to disagree.

And as for the Shroomery not being a democracy...of course it isn't. But whenever you make a place available to the public you have an obligation to cater to those you are offering it to.

And while those who frequent the Shroomery do not have to pay a fee (thus the main reason behind it not being a democracy) if the Shroomery is indeed making a profit from its ad revenue (which I remember reading, and I'm assuming is the main source of revenue for the site) then the sole reason behind this is because the Shroomery members are utilizing these companies enough to make them stay. So while they do not actually pay to use the site, it's obvious that without members the Shroomery would not be able to survive.

This seems to bring back memories of members of different factions trying to put their beliefs on others. If you do not like what is being said in OTD, then don't go there. People have a right to post just as you have the right to disagree. But who's to say who is right and who is wrong? The administrators? Maybe. But generally speaking I can see no adverse effects towards the Shroomery from OTD. Never once have I had a friend that I let know about the Shroomery say to me, "I liked the site but that OTD forum is just too messed up."

And for those who say the people who post in OTD are being immature (which I agree with, many posts are ridiculous), why aren't you mature enough to realize that OTD in no way affects you if you just don't go there?

I'm sorry, I realize this post is extremely long, but I am very steadfast believer in free speech. OTD is Off-Topic Discussion. To implement any rules governing it would defeat the entire purpose of having the forum in the first place.

And just for your information I'm only 18 years old. So please don't think that everyone in OTD is young and immature.

Thanks for reading.


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Edited by MycoCat (11/21/03 03:48 PM)

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: geokills]
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Simply because I am chosing to keep this matter amongst the staff for the time being does not mean that I am not being as objective as possible. I only wish to have a reasonable set of options before we involve the public or else it will continue on as an "Us Vs. Them" type argument as opposed to a rational presentation of many possibilities and trying to decide which one would suit the most people.



Ok, so open OTD back up NOW, and we will participate in the discussion thread on Monday. What was the almighty URGENCY to suspend OTD while matters were discussed and a concensus reached?

edit: Try OUR little experiment. Open the OTD back up and allow everyone to ENJOY IT while all the discussions ABOUT IT proceed as planned?


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Edited by Lightningfractal (11/21/03 04:00 PM)

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: ]
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Ythan-
thank you.
couldnt of put it better.
with that being said...
...you are the fucking man! :cool: 


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: PsiloKitten]
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Ythan, you diplomatic devil .... when are you gonna put us all out of our misery and get the server back from these "people"?

Kind of like the feeling you got when they replaced your fave teacher with a substitute eh?  :grin:

I miss the old days too, but you know what they say..the more things change the more they stay the same. If nothing else, I respect these new admins for getting in and staying in the arena..lots of buffeting winds here at the ole Shroomery!

Ythan expressed very well the idea of "ownership". Any creative endeavor as successful as the Shroomery becomes a shared, alive thing. Take for example, a very popular song by the Rolling Stones or any great band. When they perform that song live, everyone is singing along. Now the band may take *some* liberties with the song, they hold the copyright afterall, but muck with it too much and they will soon learn a whole new meaning of the word,"ownership".

Another example that jumps to mind is when they changed classic Coke to New Coke.  :thumbdown:

The Shroomery is dead,
Long live the Shroomery..  :loveeyes:



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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: ]
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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: geokills]
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It?s interesting how most people obviously didn?t read the first part of Ythan?s post:

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First of all, let me say that I agree with the sentiment of the OTD reformers. I fondly remember the days when OTD was a place for light-hearted, good natured discussion. Most of the people who posted were regular contributors to the other forums who just wanted a break from mushroom talk. Today, many people visit the forums solely to post in OTD, and they may never visit the cultivation boards. I think it?s very telling that OTD has almost twice as many posts as the cultivation forums combined. At the same time, it?s obvious that the quality of the posts continue to decline as the quantity increases. Perhaps 1 out of every 50 posts in OTD is a ?keeper?, or something which I would subjectively say adds value to the community.



I agree wholeheartedly with this, and exactly that?s the reason why OTD as it has been in the past year sucks so much.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: BOBs]
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this whole thing is just a load of crap. a bunch of damn strangers basically own the shroomery. i'm still kind of wondering why otd was shut down...not that it was a jewel of the shroomery, but still.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: felix]
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Mr. Mushrooms, I disagree with you.

What is it about OTD that you dislike so much? Is anyone forcing you to examine the posts there? If people have vulgar opinions or are immature, why can't they post these opinions to a community of people they feel close to?

And who is to say that those who frequent OTD don't also contribute to the other 7 out of 26 forums that do have to do with mushrooms? You keep referring to those who post in OTD in a very general sense, but usually it is a small number who post ignorantly. But many posts in OTD are funny or are just conversation between individuals who like each other.

Why is there a need for it to go? Give me one specific example of how OTD has harmed the Shroomery in any real way.

But I do respect your opinion, and I appreciate the articulate way you put your ideas out there. I will admit I hate having to slog through bad grammar and spelling to get at what people are really saying.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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> Give me one specific example of how OTD has harmed the
>Shroomery in any real way.

I can give you one.
A couple of months ago, a OTD clique began to harass members of another board ( teenhelp.com if I recall right) and the ultimate result of these actions was the closure of the other board.

Edit: and this doesn?t throw a good picture at the Shroomery, since the admins of the other board found out that the clique came from the Shroomery.....


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Edited by Anno (11/21/03 05:14 PM)

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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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And may I also say you are being a little melodramatic?

"[...]The Shroomery's "mission" is to cater to the lowest common denominator of the Internet, i.e. emotionally immature individuals who prey upon others."

It's just text. You can choose to ignore what ignorant comments people make. It's not like they honestly know you or are affecting you in the real world. If you are mature enough to realize what is being said is ignorant then you should also be mature enough to realize it doesn't really matter.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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So Anno, do you think if OTD didn't exist then that wouldn't have happened? It's not like people flock to the Shroomery just for OTD. If people are negative enough to do something like that then they will do it no matter where they post.

That's like saying you should shut down a local Boy's Club or YMCA because a few kids that met there began harassing others. You don't shut the entire operation down (thus ruining it for everyone), you ban the few who are actively doing something harmful.


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