SkorpivoMusterion said:

Who says the truth has to be rational?

Well, really, whether the truth "has" to be rational, is dependent on your situational goal.

What is your goal?

If your goal is to reach a more clearer understanding of calculus, then the truth that you will seek and adhere to is definitely a rational one.

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Draco, I used the word because thats the one used when people say they have to challenge peoples irrational beliefs to keep them from joining suicide cults. (I'm taking the following from a PM I got from someone a while back justifying their hyper aggressiveness here)

Where is the logic in deducing that someone who considers crop circles may not all be human made hoaxes is going to run off and join a suicide cult?

Maybe some people post about them because they think they are like pretty works of art or are into sacred geometry. Geez!

The message in the post was simple- if you care to keep people from offing themselves due to irrational beliefs, respond to suicide posts that go up or quit the Bull talk. You can still challenge the rationally of beliefs without that BS misleading drama excuse for doing it.

Maybe in your world logic alone gets you to some truth. I think using logic alone is being half brained myself. We are at our best when we can use both together and or just use the left brain to serve the right. I solve more problems in life using the creative abstract intuitive right side of my brain then I do my left. Deductive reasoning comes in handy a lot though and logic makes it when in when I am really being lazy and looking for short cuts.

Being analytical often gets me into nothing more then mental masturbation and then being anal about something.

Use your brain however it works best for you to get to truth and solutions that work for and serve you in your goals. What is truth anyway? I have asked here many times for just ONE absolute truth to pop up that we all can agree on and it never happens. Facts are facts and have there place but they aren't the end all to the all of it.

I live in a subjective world because I can't separate myself from myself to live in anything but my own subjectivity. All of my truths are subjective in nature, not objective, save for facts like my home address. Even that is the truth of my address, no one else's.

Florida is my home state and a land mass across the ocean to another. Which is the truth? They both are. If I move and they move, that truth can change.

I'm not hung up on this truth search like some people are because, to me, its like water. Try to grasp IT and IT will run through your fingers.

Considering I am tired now, it would be rational for me to go to bed.

gettinjiggywithit said:

Draco, I used the word because thats the one used when people say they have to challenge peoples irrational beliefs to keep them from joining suicide cults. (I'm taking the following from a PM I got from someone a while back justifying their hyper aggressiveness here)

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Where is the logic in deducing that someone who considers crop circles may not all be human made hoaxes is going to run off and join a suicide cult?

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The message in the post was simple- if you care to keep people from offing themselves due to irrational beliefs, respond to suicide posts that go up or quit the Bull talk. You can still challenge the rationally of beliefs without that BS misleading drama excuse for doing it.

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Maybe in your world logic alone gets you to some truth. I think using logic alone is being half brained myself. We are at our best when we can use both together and or just use the left brain to serve the right. I solve more problems in life using the creative abstract intuitive right side of my brain then I do my left. Deductive reasoning comes in handy a lot though and logic makes it when in when I am really being lazy and looking for short cuts.

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Being analytical often gets me into nothing more then mental masturbation and then being anal about something.

Use your brain however it works best for you to get to truth and solutions that work for and serve you in your goals. What is truth anyway? I have asked here many times for just ONE absolute truth to pop up that we all can agree on and it never happens. Facts are facts and have there place but they aren't the end all to the all of it.

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I live in a subjective world because I can't separate myself from myself to live in anything but my own subjectivity. All of my truths are subjective in nature, not objective, save for facts like my home address. Even that is the truth of my address, no one else's.

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Florida is my home state and a land mass across the ocean to another. Which is the truth? They both are. If I move and they move, that truth can change.

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I'm not hung up on this truth search like some people are because, to me, its like water. Try to grasp IT and IT will run through your fingers.

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gettinjiggywithit said:

Upon reading his first post, there was no indication of anything other then what was said. Who are you to decide, who's posts are real cries for help and who's are not?

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All comments people make about wanting to take their lives should be taken seriously. Most people who do it, talk about it first.

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They should be taken however one wishes to take it. For example, "I wish to kill myself before I go to sleep today". ALL comments in such a nature MUST be taken seriously, eh? Take that one "seriously".

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If people sincerely care to keep others from falling into beliefs that make them think something is better in death, then, they should know when shroomery members are talking like that so they can act to help.

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I think it is pretty dramatic and revealing to take someone's expressions of their desire to commit suicide and use it to make some unrelated point to others. Shall I create a poll to see if everyone here thinks you were only motivated to make this post out of a dire need to get this person help?

Taking into consideration your introduction, of course; "For those of you here who claim that you MUST challenge what is irrational thinking in your opinion to keep people from joining heavens gate like suicide cults because you care to keep people from irrationally offing themselves, here is someone to apply your care and concern too ASKING for your help. "

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If they don't sincerely care, then they should consider not making up excuses as if they do as a front for just wanting to discourage what is different from being talked about here.

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People around here talk about "getting real" and being "honest" with the self and maybe some of those people should consider the benefits of taking their own advise.

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Thank god we have jiggy here to allude to certain un-nameable people here and to give them judgement publically.

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You put the mockery label in the wrong place. To mock means to pretend to be something you are not. I don't run around here saying that I challenge irrational beliefs because I don't want people joining suicide cults and then don't act to help the dozens of suicide posts that actually come up at the shroomery.

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Maybe "these people" are not skilled in the ability to interact with a live suicide case and cannot handle such immediate pressure, but they are able to effectively debate beliefs and thoughts that might later develop into suicide? I bet you didn't think of that, did you? You just like jumping to the conclusions of these hollow, self-serving trolls because....

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I'm allowed to challenge irrational beleifs with skepticism too.

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What do you care? You're not one of the ones who says you do it to stop people from joining suicide cults. People can challenge the irrational. No need to protect that right here.

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Who are you to question my interests and tell me why I shouldn't involve myself? I'm me. Who are you again?

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I think this "heavens gate" cry is played out because those crying it I never see help suicides here.

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Your limited experience of these people is enough to decide that it is simply "played out"? I do believe that some of these people that you indirectly accuse have been directly involved in the disarming of a suicide on this very website. Judgement is impossible to pass down when you haven't considered all (or at least some ) of the variables involved.


Peace.

Veritas said:

What is the topic for debate?  Whether we should help suicidal members or not?

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I questioned the topic for debate and the manner in which it was presented two days prior to the date when I made my most recent reply via the notify moderator function, and received no reply. Thus, I assume that posts in this manner are completely on-topic and acceptable, as well as any resulting replies. Is this true, or what? I had suggested it be deleted, or at least moved to some trolling forum or something...


Peace.