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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Hoss]
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Ah, Magash. It's been awhile. I read it on the sticky poll and wished I had quoted it originally...this is indeed a beginners forum.

While I appreciate what amounts to simply the annoyance of what HolyDiver believes are the "upper echelons" of this community, I see another forum serving no other purpose than to relieve those people of having to scroll through an extra page of posts in order to sort through the bullshit.

As I see it now, what exactly do you think will compose the intermediate forum? The odd humidifier discussion, some bulk grow techniques and then...silence. There is not enough content specifically beyond what you would call "beginner" to justify another forum. And I would have to say, the Shroomery community is mostly composed of those in the beginner class, as Magash has pointed out with his observation of the forum as it is, was, and will most likely continue to be.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Psychoslut]
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Fuck it, just fuck it all. I have grows under my belt and I'm content with the way I'm doing it and feel I have the knowledge to do it differently if I so choose and I no longer need the shroomery. I guess you could say I'm saying fuck the cultivation forum. You're right, Its my decision the threads I respond to and the ones I don't. I just feel the moronic questions flood the forum and make it difficult for the legitimate questions to get answered.

Obviously none of the mods think anything needs to be done, so fuck it. To those I talk to on here, I'll keep in touch from time to time, but as for helping out, it's done.

PEACE


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Edited by jarroddupont (10/31/05 09:04 PM)

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: jarroddupont]
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A lot of the people posting in this thread are coming off as slightly pompous assholes...

Get off your fucking high horses, seriously. Remember when you started out for once and stop bitching about something as insignificant as this. It really does piss me off that someone would stop helping out others because "they ask too many stupid questions". Fuck that.

The purpose of this site, this forum and this community is to help each other, why the fuck has everyone forgotten that?


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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You are correct, I remember when I was a beginner. It wasn't that long ago. But I learned. I read for hours. I did what I had to do and utilized my resources that were put available to me. I used them for the REASON THEY ARE THERE.

"It really does piss me off that someone would stop helping out others because "they ask too many stupid questions". Fuck that."

Fuck ^THAT^

I have 839 posts in under a month because I learned so much from reading everything I could find and searching and reading some more, THEN SHARED MY KNOWLEDGE. If others can't do this, FUCK THEM. If they can't utilize the resources put before them, why should we help them?

If we answered everyone's questions without urging them to search for the answers before the start posting their easy questions, what next?
You're going to be reading a post one day that says...

"HELP - NEED MY ASS WIPED"


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Edited by jarroddupont (10/31/05 09:11 PM)

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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Wow this thread is going in a bad direction!!! Everyone remember no matter how or in which forums were helping each other out, that is what we are here for. :smile:

I think a few people are right in this thread...in a beginners forum, its going to be hard to find a experienced person to hang around and answer the monotonus (sp) and repetative questions that till be asked, I believe it will just be a bunch of noobs, hanging around amongst themselves trying to answer each others questions.....as we all know rumors and mis-information spread quickly even in this forum, it would spread like wild fire in one like that, we would have noobs coming from that forum into this one, saying how they just made a casing layer out of cement and playdough, as they were advised by other noobs to do in there new forum :smile: .....Someone said they will be forced to read the FAQ's because there Q's wont get answered....I believe they will just come here and say "noone could answer me there..help me here"....

I'm still sticking to my original, although far-fetched and not really serious, idea of somehow incoporating a program into the shroomery where eather 1. Members are not allowed to post unless they spent a certain minimum amount of time browsing the FAQ's, or 2. maybe have something search there post before its acaully posted to the forum, and redirect them to the proper FAQ's or already posted things, similar to a search in the search posts area.
I know both of those ideas probably are impossible, im no computer wiz at all....just things I always think about when seeing the same questions in this forum over and over.....Iv been here for a few years with a few different member names, and I've seen agar alone answer the same questions at LEAST 50 times....poor guy!!!

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: jarroddupont]
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Ok, you are all acting like this forum is flooded with completely retarded questions. Stop being drama queens, because the situation is not that bad. Yes, there are some questions that are stupid and could be answered by simple research. But nowhere near the number you all are acting like it is.

If you do not think a question is worth answering, simply don't answer it. That will probably motivate that person into doing the necessary research. But for most of those, who are genuinely confused and don't know the answer (which, if you've ever actually read the Shroomery FAQ or archives, is an easily achievable state) the forum is the only place they can get a practical explanation. And you want to banish them to a forum where no one is going to go, help them, or answer questions.

And don't think I'm coming from that perspective either, I've done as much research and reading as anybody here. I believe I've utilized this site to its fullest potential. But does that mean I turn around and refuse to help those who didn't have either the intelligence or stamina to read for hours and hours? No. Everyone cannot do that, and everyone should not be made to. This whole conversation fucking disgusts me, it boils down to a certain number of people being inconvenienced by those less knowledgeable, which is probably 90% of the people who utilize this site.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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Honestly...

Maybe you should have to pass a quiz in order to post here. That might be a decent compromise.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: jarroddupont]
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Man you are a selfish asshole. You needed help from us at one time. Now new members need you're help, thats the whole point of the shroomery cultivation forums. The new members questions are not stupid or insignificant. Just because you learned it does not mean that our newest member should know too. If new members would read the pf tek and do what it says, they should be able to pull that off with no help, but thats my opinion. My and you're opinions don't count though get it? So if a newb needs to know why he cant get his cakes to fruit, ill help him or her.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Psychoslut]
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Watch the flaming, it's not necessary.

As for a beginner forum being a noob free-for-all: No forum is going to be left unmoderated, and we have more than enough people around here who would be willing to take on the job, if the current mod force couldn't handle it.

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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MycoCat said:
Honestly...

Maybe you should have to pass a quiz in order to post here. That might be a decent compromise.



Now you are thinking! Just a simple quiz about pf tek jar prep and P. cubensis cultivation parameters. That would make them read through the info already available and answer the question they have now and others too!


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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Everybody is guilty of posting beeginners questions that sound stupid, every one of us and I don't leave myself out but I just went over the first main threads of most of us in this post and I can't find one of us who isn't guilty.

I'm sorry but who is a beginner? to me most of you are, to Roadkill, Anno, and others I am. What are we gonna start with 'this guy hasen't grown a thousand cakes yet he's a beginner.
Want me to start moving post to a beginners forum no problem hell that's why I'm here but get ready folks cause most of us will be making a move to a new forum.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Holydiver]
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I am really likeing the quiz idea, its not a bad thing at all to make people learn to research, learn, and think for themselves.



You have received a below average grade on the mushroom cultivation quiz, please click the button below to view our FAQ!
:thumbup:


edit: lol is there a sentence structure and grammar help forum i could join somewhere :crazy:.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

Edited by Psychoslut (10/31/05 09:33 PM)

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Psychoslut]
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You know what? I can't wait until half the people that voted "yes" to the forum split suddenly find themselves banished to the beginner's forum and realize the extent of their decision.

And if not for the community, do it for Magash. His days and nights will be spent moving thread after thread so you folk won't have to be inconvenienced by the mere sight of them.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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When it comes down to it, we have -all- asked some really newbie-ish questions. Sure, we might have researched it, but when it comes down to it, there seems to be no set and straight answer for anything on this website. There's a contradiction for every bit of information here!

Jarrod, you have also asked some newbie-ish questions.

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Psychoslut]
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HaHa I didn't even think of that....maybe a quick 10 or 20 question test, with all the most common and basic questions on it, and if they get them wrong, they are told where to find the answer. that will also satisfy your point of view psycho, because they will be helped, just not givin the answer though.

I also see your point of view, that noobs will be noobs nomatter what, and we were all them at one point. One thing though, if you think about it, (this only my opinion) is that if they are "lazy" enough to not look in the forums, then they shouldnt be growing anyways, in sorts. I agree some questions that are repeated, are ones that cant really be prevented and will always happen nomatter what, and people need to be around to help them. But there are also alot of them, im guessing the ones that m-cat is talking about, are very very simple ones that should have been known already. I believe people wont learn or remember as much if they are just givin the answer. And by searching the faq's and MORE IMPORTANTLY the POSTS, they will come across even more information....

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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First off, I do believe the quiz is a feasible way to solve this problem. I would suggest that the quiz be made up of a great number of questions, with only a certain number asked each time (having 50 questions but asking a random combination of 25 of them, thus avoiding the answers all being static and subject to cheating). It would also be a great motivator for those less experienced to do the research necessary, while giving them realistic parameters to adhere to.

I would also like to comment that the decision is being made about this forum split before a consensus on the specifics of what actually constitutes a beginner has been defined. If the moderators themselves are disagreeing, that is a good indication that even those highly experienced cannot agree on the definition of a beginner (as Magash was saying). I do appreciate the annoyance that some people may have, but I just don't see this as being a practical or realistic solution to the problem.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: jarroddupont]
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leave the forums the way they are now...

if "experienced" researchers get annoyed, do one of 3 things...

refrain from participating in the thread... the thread dies quickly and disappears

use your "vast skills",  do the search and post the thread or tek... 

answer the question off the top of your head... hey, you know this shit already, this should be no problem for you... ( you know who you are...)  :smirk:

whats the big deal?  i would bet a number of you asked "silly/annoying" questions under different handles before you finally developed skillzzz...  :smile:

peace

cateyes

Edited by cateyes (10/31/05 09:47 PM)

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: MycoCat]
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I like this refining of the quiz it has made everyone stop fighting :smile:....

I also agree, maybe just make it a one time thing, once you pass, you have access to the forum you passed the quiz for...

I once had to do this, for a saltwater aquarium 101 site I was looking at, in order for me to post in there forums, I had to answer a set of questions about the general things about the nature of saltwater tank basics.

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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: DragonShroom278]
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Agreed people should look up answers but simple as this their not gonna.

Also we know the question has been asked a thousand times believe me I know but the person asking doesn't. (Yeah yeah yeah I know some do it on purpose but most don't, anybody here gonna admit to doing it? ok then)

Next read the name of the fucking thread is it really that fucking hard to skip these questions when we want to.

If I didn't answer questions that I thought were noob questions there would be no reason to moderate other then to baby sit.


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Re: Beginners Cultivation Forum [Re: Magash]
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I would agree that the quiz be a one time thing for access to the forum. I mean, if you were forced to research for the quiz, even if you didn't remember the specific answer, you would remember being asked the question and where to go to find it. This would seem to satisfy most every complaint that has been stated here.

Magash also makes a good point, the newbies don't know this question has been asked a million times. But the simple fact the same questions are consistently asked seems to point to a problem on the Shroomery side of things, rather than the majority of those posting here. We all know the information could be better organized and consolidated, and that there is more useful information in the forums themselves that should be replacing the outdated guides that are there now (or at least I feel that way).


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